Guest Manny Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 Walmart is the anti-christ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted November 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 (edited) Walmart is the anti-christ... Sorry but I'm not paying more for the exact same thing made in China at a local store just because. Edited November 24, 2011 by Boges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted November 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 Or anxiety and depression is caused by spending time with family and friends. Yup, count me in on that one. F'ing xmas. :angry: You hating the people closest to you is a personal problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grogy Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 I agree about the excess of consumerism, leaving full carts all over would only punish the workers, not a good idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest American Woman Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 Or anxiety and depression is caused by spending time with family and friends. Yup, count me in on that one. F'ing xmas. :angry: You're being sarcastic ... right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 Being a consumer whore does not make Christmas any better. Giving meaningless crap to friends and family is a complete waste. What is needed is a couple of nice bottles of wine, some good food and spending time with family and friends. The bastardization that is the modern ideology of Christmas is appauling. Save your money, or spend it buy doing something for and with the family. If you want Christmas to be memorable, don't fill it with needless junk. Well that's how I feel about it. Quote Google : Webster Griffin Tarpley, Gerald Celente, Max Keiser ohm on soundcloud.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted November 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 What is needed is a couple of nice bottles of wine. So then do Christmas Shopping at the LCBO. If anyone asks me what I want that's probably the first thing I'll say cuz liqour is so expensive in Ontario. Christmas is generally for kids. To say that the toys you buy for your kids on Christmas is just meaningless crap must mean you had a crappy childhood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shwa Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 So then do Christmas Shopping at the LCBO. If anyone asks me what I want that's probably the first thing I'll say cuz liqour is so expensive in Ontario. Christmas is generally for kids. To say that the toys you buy for your kids on Christmas is just meaningless crap must mean you had a crappy childhood. Christmas is for everyone. If Occupy Christmas has given you pause, even for one moment, about the rampant and out-of-control consumerism that surrounds it, they have done their job. However, like practically all indigenous winter solistic celebrations all over the world, in practically all time periods, gift giving was and is an honoured and respected tradition. How you define what those gifts are and how you give them is key. Best. Rant. Ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted November 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 Christmas is for everyone. If Occupy Christmas has given you pause, even for one moment, about the rampant and out-of-control consumerism that surrounds it, they have done their job. However, like practically all indigenous winter solistic celebrations all over the world, in practically all time periods, gift giving was and is an honoured and respected tradition. How you define what those gifts are and how you give them is key. Best. Rant. Ever. Occupy Christmas doesn't give me pause. My cheapness does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueblood Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 Jesus was a revolutionary. Honour his memory. Overturn the tables of the moneychangers. BOYCOTT CREDIT! If you can't pay cash, DON'T BUY IT! Teach your kids not to become slaves to credit. Teach them to AVOID THE CREDIT TRAP! The banks don't make the economy move ... PEOPLE DO. Remind the banks ... They exist to serve us! TAKE BACK YOUR POWER FROM THE BANKS. TAKE BACK THE TRUE SPIRIT OF CHRISTMAS. BOYCOTT CREDIT THIS CHRISTMAS! Credit isn't bad when you have the money to pay for it. Heck a person can do online shopping, get some free bookkeeping, and a free vacation when they use their credit responsibly. Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueblood Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 Occupy Christmas doesn't give me pause. My cheapness does. May as well have those occupiers in the mall, there are a lot of other people and groups occupying them, what's one more. Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shwa Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 Occupy Christmas doesn't give me pause. My cheapness does. Like I said, it depends on how you define what those gifts are... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Bill Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 May as well have those occupiers in the mall, there are a lot of other people and groups occupying them, what's one more. Depends on HOW they protest, I guess! I have no problem with someone standing there or walking around with a sign. I can pay attention or ignore them at my whim. What DOES infuriate me is someone forcing me to take part in their protest! Whether it's stopping me and forcing me to wait for an "information picket", disrupting the process in a store so that I have to wait longer to get the hell out of there or generally trying to FORCE me to listen to their message is enough for me to get angry and resentful. I mean, even those religious folks waking me up knocking early Saturday morning will stop if I don't answer, or leave when I tell them politely I'm not interested. Every one is entitled to their own beliefs and views but I don't believe they have the right to be pushy about it. It's easy for them to claim that it's only a little of my time and/or it's for a good cause. Screw that! I decide for myself what's important. I don't need some pimple-faced know it all adolescent OCCUPY fascist deciding what's good for me. I have enough problems with the damn government doing that sort of thing without having to take it from fellow citizens! :angry: Some of these protesters should be more respectful of the rights of others not to be bothered. If they don't learn to do that they make get some unfortunate reactions they didn't expect. Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacee Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 http://xmasresistance.org I really like the idea of people dressing up like Jesus and walking through the malls. And overturning sale tables ... ? Christmas buying has often been stressful for me, as I loathe shopping, but I've simplified it to all the adults get the same thing, something small and useful. The kids get something more fun though. It has become crassly commercial, and a huge financial burden to many, and a bonus for the moneylenders. I say let the wealthiest do the buying to support the merchants and show their consumer confidence. I'm making fleece slippers. Quote Rapists, pedophiles, and nazis post online too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Manny Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 What DOES infuriate me is someone forcing me to take part in their protest! Whether it's stopping me and forcing me to wait for an "information picket", disrupting the process in a store so that I have to wait longer to get the hell out of there or generally trying to FORCE me to listen to their message is enough for me to get angry and resentful. That's really the problem with revolutions- so inconvenient Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Bill Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 That's really the problem with revolutions- so inconvenient well, it doesn't matter to me if someone feels they are engaged in a revolution. To me that's not an excuse. I try not to inconvenience others. I expect the same in return. If someone does something to me I don't care why he did it. I take his action as reason to retaliate in kind. Not that I seek confrontation. My first impulse if some protester blocked my path or access would be to go around him. If that wasn't possible I would then size him up as to how strong he seemed. If he looked like he could clean my clock I would just gnash my teeth and steam until it was over. If I thought I could take him I might try to provoke him into touching me, whereupon I could claim assault and legally defend myself. I truly find forcing a fellow citizen to listen or put up with such things to be the height of arrogance! If ordinary people started pushing back it would make some folks a lot more courteous! Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacee Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 well, it doesn't matter to me if someone feels they are engaged in a revolution. To me that's not an excuse. I try not to inconvenience others. I expect the same in return. If someone does something to me I don't care why he did it. I take his action as reason to retaliate in kind. Not that I seek confrontation. My first impulse if some protester blocked my path or access would be to go around him. If that wasn't possible I would then size him up as to how strong he seemed. If he looked like he could clean my clock I would just gnash my teeth and steam until it was over. If I thought I could take him I might try to provoke him into touching me, whereupon I could claim assault and legally defend myself. I truly find forcing a fellow citizen to listen or put up with such things to be the height of arrogance! If ordinary people started pushing back it would make some folks a lot more courteous! Ya I don't like doing protests that get in people"s faces, because there's often some pushy guy looking for a fight. Protesting at big banks is fun ... the customers give you thumbs up. Quote Rapists, pedophiles, and nazis post online too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Manny Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 My first impulse if some protester blocked my path or access would be to go around him. If that wasn't possible I would then size him up as to how strong he seemed. If he looked like he could clean my clock I would just gnash my teeth and steam until it was over. If I thought I could take him I might try to provoke him into touching me, whereupon I could claim assault and legally defend myself. Well my first impulse would be to say, "Excuse me, please". Why is everyone so aggressive these days, and so impolite? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 So then do Christmas Shopping at the LCBO. If anyone asks me what I want that's probably the first thing I'll say cuz liqour is so expensive in Ontario. Christmas is generally for kids. To say that the toys you buy for your kids on Christmas is just meaningless crap must mean you had a crappy childhood. Christmas is for everyone. And I had a pretty good childhood. I just never cared for the amount of stuff I would get every year, it was not that meaningful to me. I want to remember good times with family, not what I got that year. Quote Google : Webster Griffin Tarpley, Gerald Celente, Max Keiser ohm on soundcloud.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 Credit isn't bad when you have the money to pay for it. Then you don't need to spend the credit. Use the money you have. Heck a person can do online shopping, get some free bookkeeping, and a free vacation when they use their credit responsibly. Most don't. That is part of the problem. Quote Google : Webster Griffin Tarpley, Gerald Celente, Max Keiser ohm on soundcloud.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted November 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 Then you don't need to spend the credit. Use the money you have. Most don't. That is part of the problem. Well that's their problem. Don't protest credit cards when no one has a gun to your head to own one. Also why would anyone, let's say you had to make a big ticket purchase you couldn't afford right away, keep that money on their CC. Are Line of credits that hard to get? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonam Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 (edited) Well that's their problem. Don't protest credit cards when no one has a gun to your head to own one. Also why would anyone, let's say you had to make a big ticket purchase you couldn't afford right away, keep that money on their CC. People are stupid. When someone presents a bogeyman like "evil corporations" to blame their personal bad decisions on, stupid people are only too eager to absolve themselves of all blame. Personally, every single payment I make, besides rent, goes on my credit card. It keeps track of my expenses, is safe and secure, provides extended warranties on many products I purchase, and gives me 2% cash back, and I pay off the balance every month and have never once in 8 years of having credit cards paid a penny in interest. Edited November 25, 2011 by Bonam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonam Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 (edited) Are Line of credits that hard to get? To my surprise after moving to the states, lines of credit are pretty much a non-entity here, except for home equity lines of credit (HELOCs). In Canada, you can get a line of credit at 2-4% interest with a high credit limit from a bank no problem. I can borrow up to 100k at 3% on my Canadian line of credit from BMO, for example. In contrast, in the US, a line of credit will generally have a lower credit limit than a credit card, and will have a comparable interest rate (10-20%), and many banks don't even offer such a product at all. The only use for an unsecured line of credit here seems to be as overdraft protection on your checking account. Edited November 25, 2011 by Bonam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbg Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 Well my first impulse would be to say, "Excuse me, please". Why is everyone so aggressive these days, and so impolite? You are one to talk? Every post I read by you breathes hatred and contempt. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbg Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 You should thank them, though, as they're highlighting the real war on Christmas. It has less to do with religion, family and peace than it does to do with spending, debt and consumerism. Materialism is a meaningless end, and with the effective death of religion and Communism there's a spiritual void that needs to be filled in opposing it. This is the text of an e-mail I received some time ago that is very appropo to this post: The Teacher, Ms. Jones, was very curious about how each of her students celebrated Christmas. She called on young Patrick Murphy. "Tell me Patrick what do you do at Christmas Time?" she asked. Patrick addressed the class, "Well Ms. Ms. Jones, me and my twelve brothers and sisters go to the midnight Mass and we sing hymns, then we come home very late and we put mince pies by the back door and hang up our stockings. Then all excited we go to bed and wait for Father Christmas to come with all our toys." "Very nice Patrick," she said. "Now Jimmy Brown what do you do at Christmas?" Ms. Jones asked. "Well Ms. Jones, me and my sister also go to Church with Mum and Dad and we sing Carols and we get home ever so late. We put biscuits and mince pies by the chimney and we hang up our stocking. We hardly sleep waiting for Santa Claus to bring our Presents, " Jimmy replied. "That's also very nice Jimmy," she said. Realizing that there was a Jewish boy in the class and not wanting to leave him out of the discussion she asked Isaac Cohen the same question. "Now Isaac Cohen, what do you do at Christmas?" she asked. Isaac said, "Well we also sing Carols!" Isaac responded. Surprised Mrs. Jones questioned further. "Tell us what you sing," Ms. Jones requested. "Well it's the same thing every year, Dad comes home >from the office. He opens the electric garage door, we all get in to the Rolls Royce, then we drive to his toy factory, we go inside and look at all the empty shelves and we all sing, 'Oh what a friend we have in Jesus.' Then we all go to the Bahamas Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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