War mongering neo cons ready to bomb Syria with Asbestos bombs

[olp1fan]

Do you always pull facts out your ass, or have you done any research on this at all Comrad....

Well, they do kind of smell like shit so I must have pulled them out of your ass.

Learn how to wipe properly

[DogOnPorch]

Well, they do kind of smell like shit so I must have pulled them out of your ass.

Learn how to wipe properly

Loser.

[olp1fan]

Because slamming the door is enough to disturb asbestos. But GH is right: if it is sealed it isn't a danger. But, they didn't seal-in asbestos in the good ol' days. Spray-on practically...

Why is asbestos banned in Canada if its safe?

[DogOnPorch]

Why is asbestos banned in Canada if its safe?

Did I say asbestos was safe? Nope. And you might want to check your brake-pads...might need changing.

Edited November 22, 2011 by DogOnPorch

[olp1fan]

[quote name=DogOnPorch' date='22 November 2011 - 03:04 PM' timestamp='1321992287' post='733

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Did I say asbestos was safe? Nope. And you might want to check your brake-pads...might need changing.

you said it wasnt a danger if sealed yet you can no longer use asbestos when making new homes, buildings or renovating buildings and homes in Canada

so you can see the double standard hypocrisy right?

if its safe enough to sell why isnt it safe enough to use?

this is a direct question which i expect a direct answer

Edited November 22, 2011 by olp1fan

[Army Guy]

Georgia invaded the break away regions and russia stopped the invasion

russia was in the right

chechens are terrorists btw

Well, they do kind of smell like shit so I must have pulled them out of your ass.

Learn how to wipe properly

Nice come back, but is that all you got ...however If your going to post something, you should be able to back it up with some facts, so how about it....

[DogOnPorch]

you said it wasnt a danger if sealed yet you can no longer use asbestos when making new homes, buildings or renovating buildings and homes in Canada

so you can see the double standard hypocrisy right?

if its safe enough to sell why isnt it safe enough to use?

this is a direct question which i expect a direct answer

There's better insolation than asbestos in your house...and guess what? It's just as bad.

[olp1fan]

There's better insolation than asbestos in your house...and guess what? It's just as bad.

well since you refuse to answer a question I'm going to ignore you

[olp1fan]

Nice come back, but is that all you got ...however If your going to post something, you should be able to back it up with some facts, so how about it....

facts or spin? i have the facts but seems like all you have is western media spin

[Army Guy]

Asbestos products...Man is that goggle ever hard to work...

link

[DogOnPorch]

well since you refuse to answer a question I'm going to ignore you

You deny that fibreglass insolation is bad for you? The asbestos thing was a political move. Lots of stuff out there should have been "banned" before it. But the squeaky wheel gets the grease. That being said, asbestos still has its uses...much like DDT. Your car's brake system for example.

[Army Guy]

facts or spin? i have the facts but seems like all you have is western media spin

Really, then lets hear them, I mean you put it out there so prove your statements...."teach me "

[charter.rights]

You deny that fibreglass insolation is bad for you? The asbestos thing was a political move. Lots of stuff out there should have been "banned" before it. But the squeaky wheel gets the grease. That being said, asbestos still has its uses...much like DDT. Your car's brake system for example.

The problem with asbestos is that when it becomes air born then the fibres are so small they are inhaled and embed themselves in your lungs. Most home application of asbestos were sprayed on boiler piping as a fire-proof insulation. It was mixed with gypsum and then sprayed or hand applied over the pipes.

Over the years in damp conditions, the gypsum breaks down and becomes powder form. This powder is laced with asbestos fibres that become air born and inhaled. However, there are still lots of applications where the gypsum / asbestos insulation is still in good shape. It is better to leave it alone.

In commercial and industrial applications a cementous mixture with asbestos was used a a fire-proofing material for steel members. There are thousands of buildings in every city with asbestos fire insulation on the steel, and it is in good condition. However, if renovations are proposed where the fire insulation might be disturbed it must be removed by certified and trained companies.

Just like urea formaldehyde foam insulation (UFFI) when installed properly it was a good product. However, poor installations and poor maintenance on different buildings have made it seem more dangerous than it really is, primarily because there is so much public fear around it.

Edited November 22, 2011 by charter.rights

[DogOnPorch]

Coughing up blood while working with pink insolation for years must be a good sign.

I'm not 'pro-asbestos' or anything stupid like that. But, reality is that there are MANY things in your house that could be slowly killing you.

[olp1fan]

Really, then lets hear them, I mean you put it out there so prove your statements...."teach me "

in the early 90s georgia tried to stop a separatist movement in south osesstia .. the soviets helped the separatists by intervening

(similar to what NATO is doing in the mid east georgia lost control of the break away regions it once held

In 2004 Georgia elects a leader who vows to get the two regions back and as well is interested in joining NATO

The Russians supported the South Ossestian independence referendum in 2006 where more than 90% supported full independence

By 2009 almost 90 % of South Ossestians have Russian citizenship

so to start this war..we have a Georgian leader who vowed to gain back its lost regions...justifying it by saying russia was attacking Georgia first

Georgia shells south ossentians main city and kills russian peace keepers

the leadership of the south ossestians call for russias help

russia bombs the shit out of georgia and kicks their ass

the georgia leader goes on CNN and whines that the Russians are in the wrong

reports come out to say both countries were in the wrong but that russia had the right to defend its peace keepers

Edited November 22, 2011 by olp1fan

[olp1fan]

Here's some more ammo army man

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8281990.stm

The war in Georgia last year was started by a Georgian attack that was not justified by international law, an EU-sponsored report has concluded.

However, the attack followed months of provocation, and both sides violated international law, the report said.

Russia said the report delivered an "unequivocal answer" on the question of who started the conflict.

But Georgia said the investigation proved that Russia had been preparing for war all along.

The report said about 850 people were killed in the August 2008 war, and that more than 100,000 fled their homes, about 35,000 of whom are still displaced.

read the rest by clicking on the link

apparently a lot of people on MLW think Russia attacked Georgia first

well heres your proof that is not the case

and to think Bush thought about retaliating against Russia for this

what a f***wit

Edited November 22, 2011 by olp1fan

[olp1fan]

Really, then lets hear them, I mean you put it out there so prove your statements...."teach me "

more facts for you jack, basically what i said except on bbc

Georgia violated a peace deal and bombed South Ossestia, how the f*** is Russia in the wrong for protecting its allies?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7550804.stm

SOUTH OSSETIA TIMELINE

1991-92 S Ossetia fights war to break away from newly independent Georgia; Russia enforces truce

2004 Mikhail Saakashvili elected Georgian president, promising to recover lost territories

2006 S Ossetians vote for independence in unofficial referendum

April 2008 Russia steps up ties with Abkhazia and South Ossetia

July 2008 Russia admits flying jets over S Ossetia; Russia and Georgia accuse each other of military build-up

7 August 2008 After escalating Georgian-Ossetian clashes, sides agree to ceasefire; however Georgia launches a surprise attack

8 August 2008 Russia sends in columns of armour and troops and fighting erupts with Georgian forces in and around Tskhinvali

9 August 2008 Russian jets bomb central Georgian town of Gori, Russia says its troops have "liberated" Tskhinvali

Edited November 22, 2011 by olp1fan

[grogy]

so your word is better than scientists and health professionals?

he's right, you're not.

[Army Guy]

in the early 90s georgia tried to stop a separatist movement in south osesstia .. the soviets helped the separatists by intervening

(similar to what NATO is doing in the mid east georgia lost control of the break away regions it once held

quote]Before the break-up of the Soviet Union, South Ossetia operated as the South Ossetian Autonomous Oblast, an autonomous region within the Georgian SSR. A military conflict between Georgia and South Ossetia broke out in January 1991 when Georgia sent troops to subdue a South Ossetian separatist movement. The separatists were helped by former Soviet military units, who by now had come under Russian command.

Correct me if i'm wrong, but at the time was South Ossetia not within the inter national recongized borders of Georgia...

Thats alittle more than intervening is it not, separatists units under direct Russia command....

How is that similar to what NATO is doing in the mid east please be specfic.

In 2004 Georgia elects a leader who vows to get the two regions back and as well is interested in joining NATO

You forget to mention that Russia did not support this move, in fact they forbade it from happening. And is one of reasons why they chose direct military action...

The 1991–1992 South Ossetia War between ethnic Georgians and Ossetians had left slightly more than a half of South Ossetia under de-facto control of a Russian-backed internationally unrecognised government.[42][43] Most ethnic Georgian parts of South Ossetia remained under the control of Georgia (Akhalgori district, and most villages surrounding Tskhinvali),

The Russians supported the South Ossestian independence referendum in 2006 where more than 90% supported full independence

Not true, what you meant to say was 90% of the Ossetians supported full independance...which accounted for only 60 % of the population. So your statement is a bit misleading.

In 1989, Ossetians accounted for around 60 percent, Georgians 20 percent, Armenians 10 percent and Russians 5 percent of the population of South Ossetia. As of 2009[update] about 87.5% of the population of South Ossetia have acquired Russian citizenship, as a result of being Soviet Citizens (Russia extended citizenship to most USSR citizens, as it is internationally recognised as a successor state to the USSR).[82] Additionally, 71% of all Ossetians were living in Russia, most of them just across the Roki Tunnel in North Ossetia, and had family members in South Ossetia.[83] From the viewpoint of Russian constitutional law, the legal position of Russian passport holders in South Ossetia is the same as that of Russian citizens living in Russia.[84] Russian President Dmitry Medvedev stated that he would "protect the life and dignity of Russian citizens wherever they are".[85] According to

an EU report, this position is inconsistent with international law, which considers the vast majority of purportedly naturalised persons as not Russian citizens

By 2009 almost 90 % of South Ossestians have Russian citizenship

Yes they do, however what you also fail to mention is that 71 % of them are living in Russia, not South Ossetia...again a misleading fact.

so to start this war..we have a Georgian leader who vowed to gain back its lost regions...justifying it by saying russia was attacking Georgia first

On 16 April Russia's president Vladimir Putin signed a decree authorising direct official relations between Russian government bodies and the secessionist authorities in Georgia's Abkhazia and South Ossetia.[103] The move further heightened tensions between Russia and Georgia.

On 20 April, a Russian jet shot down a Georgian reconnaissance drone flying over Abkhazia.[62][100][104] After the incident Saakashvili deployed 12,000 Georgian troops to Senaki.[105] Georgian interior ministry officials showed the BBC video footage, which Georgia said showed Russian troops deploying heavy military hardware in the breakaway region of Abkhazia. According to Georgia, "it proved the Russians were a fighting force, not just peacekeepers." Russia strongly denied the accusations.[

Lets keep in mind according to the inter national comunity Abkhazai is still part of Georgia....and BBC has film footage of a Russian build up...Both sides were building up...

On June 14 into the early morning of June 15, clashes erupted in South Ossetia. South Ossetian authorities reported that Georgian forces started shelling Tskhinvali with mortars from Georgian villages, and that Georgians fired on South Ossetian militia on the outskirts of Tskhinvali. Georgia claimed that it was responding to Ossetian shelling of the Georgian villages of Ergneti, Nikozi, and Prisi. Two people (one Ossetian and one Georgian) were killed, and four were injured in the clashes. Several houses in the Georgian villages shelled were also reportedly damaged. A fourteen-year-old boy was also injured by a land mine close to Ergneti, and subsequently died of his injuries

These facts have been verified by UN and other peacekeepers in the area...

On July 3, Ossetian militia attacked a convoy in an attempt to assassinate Dmitry Sanakoyev, chairman of the Georgian-backed Ossetian government (the Provisional Administrative Entity of South Ossetia). The attack failed to kill Sanakoyev, but injured three of his bodyguards. A South Ossetian police official was killed by a bomb attack on that same day.

I think what is clear is that Russia's failure to control Ossetia milita forces and their actions played a major role in the conflict .

Note that it has also been noted by the NY times that Georgias inexperienced military may have started the engagement

But no inclusive proof has been brought forward by either side todate...

In his interview to the CNN, answering to the anchor's question, "Did you take a gamble? Your government launched its own attempt to retake South Ossetia, guess 24 hour ago?" Saakashvili answered "We did not. [Only when Russian APCs crossed the border at 24 AM, August 7] we had to fire back the artillery, we had to take measures. Because it was a clear-cut case of intervention."[141]

However, no conclusive evidence was presented by Georgia or its Western supporters that Russia was invading the country before the Georgian attack, according to the New York Times.[124] Instead, "the accounts suggest that Georgia’s inexperienced military attacked the isolated separatist capital of Tskhinvali on 7 August with indiscriminate artillery and rocket fire, exposing civilians, Russian peacekeepers and unarmed monitors to harm".[115][124] Georgia's claim to be responding to a premeditated Russian assault received little support from the US and NATO.[142]

Here is what an inter national fact finding mission found out

An independent international fact-finding mission headed by Swiss diplomat Heidi Tagliavini was established by the EU to determine the causes of the war. The commission was given a budget of €1.6 million and also incorporated earlier reports by the OSCE, HRW and other organisations.[86][307]

The Report stated that conflict started "with a massive Georgian artillery attack...against the town of Tskhinvali and the surrounding areas, launched in the night of 7 to 8 August 2008", but was "...mere culmination of series of provocations..." and that all sides share responsibility.[86]

The commission found that all parties violated international law during the conflict. While the report acknowledged the presence of some non-peacekeeping Russian troops in South Ossetia, their presence did not justify the initial Georgian attack. The EU Report found that the Georgian actions were disproportionate as a response to low level attacks by South Ossetian forces.

The report also stated that "the use of force by Georgia against Russian peacekeeping forces in Tskhinvali in the night of 7/8 August 2008 would be contrary to international law". The report said that "if the Russian peacekeepers were attacked," then "the immediate [Russian] reaction in defense of Russian peacekeepers" would be justified, as "Russia had the right to defend its peacekeepers, using military means proportionate to the attack" (the report did not have facts to substantiate the claimed attack on the peacekeepers, but found it "likely" that Russian PKF casualties occurred). The later, second, part of Russian actions, is characterised as "the invasion of Georgia by Russian armed forces reaching far beyond the administrative boundary of South Ossetia", and is considered to be "beyond the reasonable limits of defence". With respect to the war's second theater, the report found the Abkhaz/Russian attack on the Kodori Gorge was not justified under international law.[86]

[olp1fan]

blah blah blah, yada yada yada, dude, the reports that were filed clearly say Russia was in the right to defend the break away regions

you clearly would never give Russia the benefit of the doubt ever

consider yourself ignored

[Wild Bill]

quote]Before the break-up of the Soviet Union, South Ossetia operated as the South Ossetian Autonomous Oblast, an autonomous region within the Georgian SSR. A military conflict between Georgia and South Ossetia broke out in January 1991 when Georgia sent troops to subdue a South Ossetian separatist movement. The separatists were helped by former Soviet military units, who by now had come under Russian command.

However, no conclusive evidence was presented by Georgia or its Western supporters that Russia was invading the country before the Georgian attack, according to the New York Times.[124] Instead, "the accounts suggest that Georgia’s inexperienced military attacked the isolated separatist capital of Tskhinvali on 7 August with indiscriminate artillery and rocket fire, exposing civilians, Russian peacekeepers and unarmed monitors to harm".[115][124] Georgia's claim to be responding to a premeditated Russian assault received little support from the US and NATO.[142]

Here is what an inter national fact finding mission found out

Well Army Guy, by now you've seen his answer. It looks like your wasting your time. He never answered any of your arguments or explained any of your evidence. He just kept frantically throwing more incorrect propaganda at you.

When you had him in a corner, he refused to listen to you anymore!

He's not operating on considered opinion, only faith, or perhaps more accurately "preconceived notions", which is only a polite way of saying prejudiced.

It's your time and energy. I've already decided to put mine to better use.

[olp1fan]

However, no conclusive evidence was presented by Georgia or its Western supporters that Russia was invading the country before the Georgian attack, according to the New York Times.[124] Instead, "the accounts suggest that Georgia’s inexperienced military attacked the isolated separatist capital of Tskhinvali on 7 August with indiscriminate artillery and rocket fire, exposing civilians, Russian peacekeepers and unarmed monitors to harm".[115][124] Georgia's claim to be responding to a premeditated Russian assault received little support from the US and NATO.[142]

Here is what an inter national fact finding mission found out

Well Army Guy, by now you've seen his answer. It looks like your wasting your time. He never answered any of your arguments or explained any of your evidence. He just kept frantically throwing more incorrect propaganda at you.

I provided him links of reputable sources like BBC and he still denied that it was the truth

some people just blindly choose a side based on loyalty even when that side was in the wrong

but you'd know that more than him wouldn't you Bill?

You still stick up for the cons no matter how many times they are caught being crooked

Edited November 23, 2011 by olp1fan

[Army Guy]

blah blah blah, yada yada yada, dude, the reports that were filed clearly say Russia was in the right to defend the break away regions

Which reports the ones i took the quotes from, perhaps you should re read them...

you clearly would never give Russia the benefit of the doubt ever

I thought i was pretty baised laying the blame at the feet of both parties, but perhaps wild bill is right you don't like my facts, fair enough perhaps you can give me your source so i can look at your facts....

consider yourself ignored

Not sure what to make of this really, but OK if your not up to debating the topic fine...But it's not up to me to prove your piont, As for your BBC quote well i seen your BBC and raised you another...I also gave qoutes from the OSCE, UN , and European commision reports....

[Army Guy]

Can't wait until you explain all chechens are terrorists....

[PIK]

Why are the people so angry about asbestoes not making the same noise over the cfl bulbs?