dre Posted November 16, 2011 Report Posted November 16, 2011 Funny thread is funny Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
olp1fan Posted November 16, 2011 Author Report Posted November 16, 2011 I don't agree with the baker's viewpoint, her refusal to bake the cake, but I'm speaking strictly from a legal standpoint. Are you a lawyer now? Quote
olp1fan Posted November 16, 2011 Author Report Posted November 16, 2011 I'm referring to slurs against religious groups among other petty name calling that has happened here. Please refer to the forum rules with regards to insults. I sure hope the people who were calling me troll were also disciplined See, I did not directly insult anybody ..but they personally called me derogatory names Quote
Michael Hardner Posted November 16, 2011 Report Posted November 16, 2011 I sure hope the people who were calling me troll were also disciplined l1p1fan - feel free to report any posts that fall outside the rules. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
olp1fan Posted November 16, 2011 Author Report Posted November 16, 2011 l1p1fan - feel free to report any posts that fall outside the rules. do you want me to report all 9 posts where I am being personally attacked? wouldn't I get punished for spam? Quote
The_Squid Posted November 16, 2011 Report Posted November 16, 2011 this thread should be locked. Quote
guyser Posted November 17, 2011 Report Posted November 17, 2011 Are you a lawyer now? No just a rational thinker. The gist is this. She can say no and get both good and bad publicity , but then again, there aint no such thing as bad publicity in Hollywood....what...Iowa we are in? Oh well then, the cows are gonna be mighty upset. Worry about sopmething else,she broke no laws. Quote
kimmy Posted November 17, 2011 Report Posted November 17, 2011 No just a rational thinker. The gist is this. She can say no and get both good and bad publicity , but then again, there aint no such thing as bad publicity in Hollywood....what...Iowa we are in? Oh well then, the cows are gonna be mighty upset. Worry about sopmething else,she broke no laws. The real reason this is in the news is because it gave Fox News a chance to run the "Christians are being persecuted for their beliefs!" fiction they're peddling. If somebody draws a Movember Moustache on Jesus in Sheboygan, you'll hear about it on Fox News. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
kimmy Posted November 17, 2011 Report Posted November 17, 2011 its actually working to her favour i saw her being interviewed and shes been receiving hundreds of donations I foresaw this: ... our humble baker will become the new folk-heroine of Fox Nation. They will help her out buy deluging her with orders for cakes with little halos and pictures of Tim Tebow and captions that read "Jesus Hates Dykes". "I am a prophet; sendeth me thine currency." -Kimmy 4:20 Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
kimmy Posted November 17, 2011 Report Posted November 17, 2011 It seems that a lot of non-believers expect Christians, by virtue of their religious beliefs, to be saints. But they are just as human as the next person. Their religion has them striving to live their life according to the teachings of Jesus, but being human, they sometimes fail - same as the next person sometimes fails to live a perfect life. If you're referring to the "WWJD?" chat we had, you've either misunderstood my view or you're making a straw-man argument. There's a world of difference between someone who is trying to follow the the teachings of Jesus but sometimes fail, and someone who completely misrepresents the teachings of Jesus. I'm not suggesting Christians must be perfect. Rather, I'm suggesting that Christians are doing a serious disservice to their faith when they claim their religion justifies UnChristian behavior. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
Guest American Woman Posted November 17, 2011 Report Posted November 17, 2011 The real reason this is in the news is because it gave Fox News a chance to run the "Christians are being persecuted for their beliefs!" fiction they're peddling.If somebody draws a Movember Moustache on Jesus in Sheboygan, you'll hear about it on Fox News. So why is this news, then? What is the "real reason" the CBC ran the story? Florist refuses to outfit same-sex couple's wedding A florist in Riverview, N.B., is refusing to provide wedding flowers to a same-sex couple, according to the event's planner. After agreeing to provide the flowers for a wedding, Kim Evans of Petals and Promises Wedding Flowers sent an email last month to the couple, saying she didn't know it was a same-sex wedding and would have no part of the ceremony. "I am choosing to decline your business. As a born-again Christian, I must respect my conscience before God and have no part in this matter," the email said. Quote
Wild Bill Posted November 17, 2011 Report Posted November 17, 2011 I've just read this entire thread and I noticed something that has never been mentioned but first off, everyone please accept my mandatory disclaimer - I really couldn't care less about someone's sexuality. It's their politics that I'm biased against! That being said, as an old guy I still remember the 80's and 90's, when homosexual rights were coming to the forefront and the word "homophobe" was invented. Once again, this is anecdotal, based upon my own experience and memory. The fact that it was all over the media at the time will no doubt be dismissed by some as never having happened. Since this was pre-Internet a cite is not possible so such dismissals are easy to make by those who would rather not admit my points are historical fact. Still, some members may be old enough to remember themselves and confirm my story. When activists were calling for laws to protect gay rights they were very careful to say that no one who's religious beliefs would prevent them from serving gays or in the 90's marrying them would be forced to do so! A priest or minister of a church that felt homosexuality was wrong would not have to. Gay couples could easily find another minister to perform the ceremony and would do so. A merchant who was not comfortable catering a gay wedding or function also would not be forced to do so. This all seemed very tolerant at the time and served the purpose of making any opponents to gay rights look like they had nothing to complain about, since they would not be forced to compromise their beliefs and thus had no right to enforce their beliefs on others. Well, today it all seems like that was all a crock of crap! Not only are bakers now castigated legally for refusing to bake wedding cakes for gay weddings but there have been media accounts of priests being charged for refusing to perform such weddings! Seems like the shoe's on the other foot, to me! Tolerance is as tolerance does. If you have to FORCE someone to be tolerant then you have made yourself a fascist, in my books! The people involved here could easily find another bake shop. The fact that they have to make a federal case out of it only proves that "The love that dared not speak its name is now the love that just won't shut up!" Once again, Bill and Ted said "Be excellent to each other!" NOT "Be excellent only to those who share your values and persecute those who don't!" Freedom is the freedom to believe any cockamamie thing you want. It goes BOTH ways! If having a contrary view is so abhorrent to you then you are going to get us ALL to fight each other! Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
Michael Hardner Posted November 17, 2011 Report Posted November 17, 2011 A merchant who was not comfortable catering a gay wedding or function also would not be forced to do so. That wasn't said at the time, not to my memory. And a priest forced to marry gay people ? Uhhhh.... what ? Cite please. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
dre Posted November 17, 2011 Report Posted November 17, 2011 Seems like the shoe's on the other foot, to me! Tolerance is as tolerance does. If you have to FORCE someone to be tolerant then you have made yourself a fascist, in my books! Right! The civil rights movement, the womens rights movement, and the gay rights movement are all FASCISM! And when society demanded that people stop treating jews, blacks, natives, italians, the irish, gays, and women like second class citizens that was FASCISM too! Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Guest American Woman Posted November 20, 2011 Report Posted November 20, 2011 Hmmmmm.... appears as if cakes aren't only denied on the basis of sexual orientation; (in 2008) a ShopRite grovery store refused to decorate a birthday cake for the third birthday of Adolf Hitler Campbell, apparently because of his name. It's in the news again because his parents recently lost custody. Parents of 'Adolf Hitler' Lose Custody of Newborn; according to the article, the kids' names had nothing to do with it. Quote
Mr.Canada Posted November 20, 2011 Report Posted November 20, 2011 The man is entitled to run a business in any fashion he wishes. If it were me I would do the cake. One persons money is as good as another. I may not agree with their lifestyle but that won't stop me from taking their business. What they do in the privacy of their bedroom is their own business, as two consenting adults. If they came into my shop making out then that would be something else entirely. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
guyser Posted November 22, 2011 Report Posted November 22, 2011 The man is entitled to run a business in any fashion he wishes. What man? The baker is a woman. If it were me I would do the cake. One persons money is as good as another. I may not agree with their lifestyle but that won't stop me from taking their business. What they do in the privacy of their bedroom is their own business, as two consenting adults.If they came into my shop making out then that would be something else entirely. You'd grab the camera wouldnt you? Betw this new video and your cherished Gay Pride footage you are amassing quite the collection. Quote
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