Meeting in Hawaii

[Topaz]

Some world leaders are heading for Hawaii this week and two of the leaders, that being Harper and Obama are set to talk about the NAU among other things. Its costing taxpayers $600,000 for Harper to go and the following video tells what Canadians and Americans willget out of it. Perhaps this is Harpers secret agenda. http://www.infowars.com/paving-the-way-for-a-north-american-union/

[olp1fan]

anyone who posts info wars loses credibility

care to post real links?

[scribblet]

I don't know how much it's costing and I don't care. There's nothing wrong with our PM discussing co-operation between countries, we have to talk, and we have to discuss the U.S. protectionism for one. That's what leaders do...

[Topaz]

anyone who posts info wars loses credibility

care to post real links?

Ok, how about this link?

[Topaz]

The debate should be about the content and IF and only IF that what the guy says could be or IS happening. Listen to the video again and hear what the PM and the President are saying. On CTV, the other day, it was mentioned that not many or none of the reporters are going because Harper doesn't like to answer questions or ones he doesn't knows ahead of time. We'll have to wait and see what is reported on this meeting.

[noahbody]

On CTV, the other day, it was mentioned that not many or none of the reporters are going because Harper doesn't like to answer questions or ones he doesn't knows ahead of time. We'll have to wait and see what is reported on this meeting.

You actually believe reporters are turning down all expenses paid trips to Hawaii? It will be their employers who don't want to flip the bill for a Hawaii trip.

[Michael Hardner]

I concur with scriblett. This nit picking on expenses is always a partisan thing. Until we have broad viewability into expenses at the $100K level or so, why pick on this ?

[Tilter]

Ok, how about this link?

Oh--- u tube is more factual????????/

[olp1fan]

The debate should be about the content and IF and only IF that what the guy says could be or IS happening. Listen to the video again and hear what the PM and the President are saying. On CTV, the other day, it was mentioned that not many or none of the reporters are going because Harper doesn't like to answer questions or ones he doesn't knows ahead of time. We'll have to wait and see what is reported on this meeting.

okay, look, we're apart of the commonwealth right? U.S is not, Mexico is not, right? We are a constitutional monarchy U.S is federal constitutional republic, Mexico is a federal presidential constitutional republic, right?

In order for us to all join as one we'd probably have to open up our constitutions and create some amendments or abolish them altogether, right?

Now enough of this bullshit Topaz. This is not the place for your conspiracy theories which make no sense

[Smallc]

okay, look, we're apart of the commonwealth right? U.S is not, Mexico is not, right? We are a constitutional monarchy U.S is federal constitutional republic, Mexico is a federal presidential constitutional republic, right?

The US and Mexico are both presidential republics.

[olp1fan]

The US and Mexico are both presidential republics.

I was going by what I googled, and everywhere I googled it said federal presidential constitutional republic

I assume it means the same thing as presidential republic

Edited November 10, 2011 by olp1fan

[Smallc]

Well, they're also both federal republics, and they both have fully documented constitutions.

Actually, almost every country in the Americas is a presidential republic:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/04/Forms_of_government.svg

The blue countries are presidential, yellow semi presidential, red constitutional monarchy, orange parliamentary republics, etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_system_of_government

Edited November 10, 2011 by Smallc

[olp1fan]

Well, they're also both federal republics, and they both have fully documented constitutions.

They'll still have a lot of trouble merging into one...stuff like this cannot be done in secret which is why anyone who is worried about this stuff probably wears tin foil hats all day

[Smallc]

They'll still have a lot of trouble merging into one...stuff like this cannot be done in secret which is why anyone who is worried about this stuff probably wears tin foil hats all day

I totally agree. I think at some point in the future, you may see countries begin to merge, but it won't be soon, and it won't be a secret.

Edited November 11, 2011 by Smallc

[olp1fan]

I totally. I think at some point in the future, you may see countries begin to merge, but it won't be soon, and it won't be a secret.

yeah, at some point but something this big will never be kept from the people, it'd have to be discussed in parliament and in the country for a year or a few before anything is done

[Michael Hardner]

I totally. I think at some point in the future, you may see countries begin to merge, but it won't be soon, and it won't be a secret.

Perhaps, but countries aren't as meaningful as they were even 20 years ago. Globalism has encroached on every aspect of our lives.

[Smallc]

In some regards, that may be true, but in other ways, it isn't true. The lives we choose to live as citizens of a country are of our own making. Mergers or acquisitions by other countries an put that in danger. We're not ready for that yet. Europe sort of shows that right now. It's too bad though.

[GostHacked]

anyone who posts info wars loses credibility

care to post real links?

Over the years, Infowars has been more credible (in my view) than most other MSM. But I am one of those crazy tin foil hat conspiracy nutcase.

Other sources say they are meeting in Hawaii, but nothing really mentioned about the NAU..

http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/hawaiinews/20111110__Obama_has_full_plate_of_key_meetings.html

President Barack Obama launches a busy weekend in Honolulu with a series of bilateral talks aimed at strengthening U.S. ties to the Asia-Pacific region and stimulating domestic job growth through economic partnerships in the region.

Obama and first lady Michelle Obama are scheduled to land in Honolulu on Friday night in advance of the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation summit being held this weekend with his counterparts from 20 Pacific Rim nations.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2011/11/11/apec-hawaii-summit-harper-canada_n_1087680.html

OTTAWA - Leaders of 21 global economies, including Prime Minister Stephen Harper, are on their way to Hawaii for the next round of APEC meetings.

But while those talks focus on the nitty gritty of ensuring easier trade between Asia Pacific nations, Harper won't be part of discussions by a smaller group of nations in the region which are pushing ahead with a much more focused free trade plan.

Still, a former Canadian diplomat says the broader Asia Pacific Economic Co-operation forum can't be discounted, even if decisions made there aren't always headline grabbers.

http://www.globaltvbc.com/money/harper+hits+hawaii+for+apec+north+american+leaders+summits/6442519307/story.html

[g_bambino]

okay, look, we're apart of the commonwealth right? U.S is not, Mexico is not, right? We are a constitutional monarchy U.S is federal constitutional republic, Mexico is a federal presidential constitutional republic, right?

In order for us to all join as one we'd probably have to open up our constitutions and create some amendments or abolish them altogether, right?

I don't want to get all caught up in conspiracy theories, either. But, the European Union is an example of countries with different constitutional systems - parliamentary republics, parliamentary constitutional monarchies, a directorial republic - existing under one.

[olp1fan]

why does harper kiss up to the americans when they and NZ are trying to block canada from free trade in Asia / Pacific?

f*** them

http://www.theguardian.pe.ca/Business/2011-11-09/article-2800890/Canada-not-sure-it-wants-to-join-new-Asia-Pacific-free-trade-group/1

OTTAWA — Trade Minister Ed Fast says Canada is no nearer to joining a new high-profile trade formation in the Asia-Pacific because he's not sure it's in the country's best interest.

The rookie trade minister suggested in a conference call from India on Wednesday that Canada could do quite well in the fast-growing region without joining the hot new kid on the block, called the Trans-Pacific Partnership.

He pointed out that Canada remains part of the Asia-Pacific Economic Co-operation forum, which is meeting this weekend, and recently signed a trade and investment understanding with the ASEAN, another regional forum.

Fast would give no specific reasons why Canada is not part of a process that includes the United States, Chile, New Zealand, Malaysia and expected new entrant Japan.

But experts in the field say it is more likely that several members of the TPP, particularly the U.S. and New Zealand, are actually blocking Canada from joining the club of nine.

The analysts say they object to Canada's supply management scheme that protects dairy and poultry farmers from foreign competition.

``The countries participating in the TPP talks haven't felt that Canada is ready to negotiate in good faith on liberalizing dairy products in particular, but also poultry products,'' said former Canadian trade negotiator John Weekes, who is now with the Bennett Jones law firm in Ottawa.

Asked the question directly, Fast said he did not want to get into speculation about ``sticking points,'' but said his government is committed to preserving the system. Dairy and poultry farmers are concentrated in the voter-rich provinces of Ontario and Quebec.

If the government sticks with that position, Canada would lose out on major trade deals in the future, predicted Walid Hejazi of the Rotman School of Management.

``Supply management is something we need to deal with because it is hurting us in negotiations,'' Hejazi said.

Weekes said Canada stands to lose out if it doesn't get into the TPP talks.

``The United States sees it as the 21st-century trade agreement, as the new gold standard, a more modern form of NAFTA,'' he explained, referring to the North American Free Trade Agreement between Canada, the United States and Mexico..

``If this negotiation does spread out and engage a number of our major partners in the Pacific, we face the situation where the United States, Australia and New Zealand and others can have free access for a range of agricultural products to Japan that we don't have. There's all this opportunity out there in the Asian market and we could be left out.''

Fast also described trade talks with South Korea as stalled, but insisted that Canada is moving aggressively where it has willing partners, such as Europe and India.

[olp1fan]

I don't want to get all caught up in conspiracy theories, either. But, the European Union is an example of countries with different constitutional systems - parliamentary republics, parliamentary constitutional monarchies, a directorial republic - existing under one.

That is just proof that a NAU could never work

Edited November 11, 2011 by olp1fan

[g_bambino]

That is just proof that a NAU could never work

That it might just be.

[Smallc]

That it might just be.

I think it's proof that it couldn't work yet, but I don't discount such things, or their merits in the future.

[olp1fan]

I think it's proof that it couldn't work yet, but I don't discount such things, or their merits in the future.

I don't see the majority of Canadians ever wanting to get closer to the U.S policy wise, money wise...not happening

[bush_cheney2004]

I don't see the majority of Canadians ever wanting to get closer to the U.S policy wise, money wise...not happening

But it is great for Canadian election campaign rhetoric, separatism, and MLW posts! The funny part is that the decision is also up to Americans, not just Canadians.