MiddleClassCentrist Posted October 14, 2011 Report Posted October 14, 2011 Weren't we arguing about positions of trust here recently? Something about some Chinese reporter? If the Minister of Labour, and I'm not saying it did happen, but if she received a gratuity from the company she is now backing with union-busting legislation, then it would indeed be a conflict of interest and that's on her. It was a dumb and arrogant move to even fly on Air Canada. She should have used another one and avoided it entirely. Plenty of other options for her flight. I do believe however, that this is not as big as the media is making it out to be. Conflict of interest, yes. But, this is receiving more attention than the real conflicts of interest like Copyright Protection bill or the G8 funding IMO. Maybe because they are older and this is fresh but, still... It was pretty much all I heard about in the car on the way to work this morning and on the way home last night. Quote Ideology does not make good policy. Good policy comes from an analysis of options, comparison of options and selection of one option that works best in the current situation. This option is often a compromise between ideologies.
TimG Posted October 14, 2011 Report Posted October 14, 2011 if she received a gratuity from the company she is now backing with union-busting legislation, then it would indeed be a conflict of interest and that's on her. It is not enough to show she received a 'gratuity'. You have to show she knew she had received a 'gratuity' when she got on the plane. Quote
Battletoads Posted October 14, 2011 Report Posted October 14, 2011 So you are saying Libs rewarded the union for stopping the postal service? Why is that better? Where did I say that? Quote "You can lead a Conservative to knowledge, but you can't make him think."
Oleg Bach Posted October 14, 2011 Report Posted October 14, 2011 Ego can blind the judement of any minister who does not fully understand that minister means public servant - not lord and master. Quote
MiddleClassCentrist Posted October 14, 2011 Report Posted October 14, 2011 It is not enough to show she received a 'gratuity'. You have to show she knew she had received a 'gratuity' when she got on the plane. So... she wouldn't have been aware that she was now sitting in Business Class? Holy crap. She's also a dunce. Quote Ideology does not make good policy. Good policy comes from an analysis of options, comparison of options and selection of one option that works best in the current situation. This option is often a compromise between ideologies.
Oleg Bach Posted October 14, 2011 Report Posted October 14, 2011 So... she wouldn't have been aware that she was now sitting in Business Class? Holy crap. She's also a dunce. Of course she would have not known where she was - she was totally enthrawled with the taste of shrimp and must have blanked out in ecstacy. Quote
TimG Posted October 14, 2011 Report Posted October 14, 2011 So... she wouldn't have been aware that she was now sitting in Business Class?As I have explained many times above: frequent flyers get upgrades handed to them at the gates for many reasons. She would have no way to know this upgrade had any connection to what the COO did. Unless you can show that she knew the upgrade was a special favour you got nothing. Quote
olp1fan Posted October 14, 2011 Author Report Posted October 14, 2011 As I have explained many times above: frequent flyers get upgrades handed to them at the gates for many reasons. She would have no way to know this upgrade had any connection to what the COO did. Unless you can show that she knew the upgrade was a special favour you got nothing. McCallum told CityNews MPs are allowed to purchase a business class ticket if the flight is longer than two hours. The flight from Toronto to Ottawa is less than an hour. Quote
Smallc Posted October 14, 2011 Report Posted October 14, 2011 McCallum told CityNews MPs are allowed to purchase a business class ticket if the flight is longer than two hours. The flight from Toronto to Ottawa is less than an hour. Perhaps you aren't understanding. If she used an upgrade, she wouldn't have had to purchase a more expensive ticket. Quote
olp1fan Posted October 14, 2011 Author Report Posted October 14, 2011 (edited) Perhaps you aren't understanding. If she used an upgrade, she wouldn't have had to purchase a more expensive ticket. She sounded guilty to me when I saw her talking about it, no one stammers like that without hiding something Edited October 14, 2011 by olp1fan Quote
TimG Posted October 14, 2011 Report Posted October 14, 2011 (edited) McCallum told CityNews MPs are allowed to purchase a business class ticket if the flight is longer than two hours. The flight from Toronto to Ottawa is less than an hour.You obviously have no clue. Frequent flyers who buy economy tickets are entitled to upgrades at no cost. If McCallum says that they can purchase Business class for flights over two hours then I am sure Raitt had plenty of free upgrades that she is entitled to. But these free upgrades are not guaranteed - you find out at the airport if you get them for any specific flight. Edited October 14, 2011 by TimG Quote
Boges Posted October 14, 2011 Report Posted October 14, 2011 She sounded guilty to me when I saw her talking about it, no one stammers like that without hiding something Oh so now you can tell when people are lying or not. You should have warned us about all those lies Dalton McGuinty told beforehand then. Quote
capricorn Posted October 14, 2011 Report Posted October 14, 2011 She sounded guilty to me There you have it. olp1fan's critical analysis of the facts to assign guilt or innocence. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
Boges Posted October 14, 2011 Report Posted October 14, 2011 If a politician can be swayed by a free business class trip from Toronto to Ottawa then I should start bribing them because they appear to be easily swayed by petty bribery. Quote
olp1fan Posted October 14, 2011 Author Report Posted October 14, 2011 Oh so now you can tell when people are lying or not. You should have warned us about all those lies Dalton McGuinty told beforehand then. Everyone knows his lies..btw I've never voted liberal so why are you bringing him up? Quote
olp1fan Posted October 14, 2011 Author Report Posted October 14, 2011 There you have it. olp1fan's critical analysis of the facts to assign guilt or innocence. All you have to do is look into someones eyes, watch their movements and listen to their voices to know if they are lying unless they are a psychopath then its harder but I doubt shes a psychopath Quote
Boges Posted October 14, 2011 Report Posted October 14, 2011 Everyone knows his lies..btw I've never voted liberal so why are you bringing him up? Because you seem to know when people are lying. It would have been helpful to know if he was lying this past election. Quote
olp1fan Posted October 14, 2011 Author Report Posted October 14, 2011 Because you seem to know when people are lying. It would have been helpful to know if he was lying this past election. its mcguinty, you automatically assume hes gonna lie.. Quote
olp1fan Posted October 14, 2011 Author Report Posted October 14, 2011 http://www.cbc.ca/news/interactives/air-canada-passengerlist/ there is a picture of the document there Quote
Smallc Posted October 14, 2011 Report Posted October 14, 2011 And according to the link, the document is suspect. That's not a signature, either. Quote
Tilter Posted October 14, 2011 Report Posted October 14, 2011 DAMN I knew I shouldn't have accepted that upgrade last year.Now I likely will be investigated and hounded about it. I am a conservative voter and as such am under suspicion to accept bribes from Westjet. I guess at that time I should have told them that I don't know any politicians (altho I once did see the Mayor of our town as he walked past our house) , I don't have any influence with anyone and so didn't deserve the chance to sit forward of the engines & enjoy a free ham sandwich & can of Pepsi as we passed over Broaview Sask. Gotta go now & guard the front door in case all the reporters mob it.. Quote
olp1fan Posted October 14, 2011 Author Report Posted October 14, 2011 if you are going to trample workers rights be prepared for a fight lisa raitt is only going to make more people mad enough to go to an occupy demo Quote
capricorn Posted October 14, 2011 Report Posted October 14, 2011 lisa raitt is only going to make more people mad enough to go to an occupy demo Well we know you won't be at any "occupy demo". You're on record that you'll stay safe while letting others do the heaving lifting. You'll watch from afar while nibbling on popcorn. That really shows commitment to your cause. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
Wilber Posted October 14, 2011 Report Posted October 14, 2011 If she used an upgrade based on tickets paid for by herself or the government, this is a non issue. If she accepted a freebee because of her position as minister, that is a conflict. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
olp1fan Posted October 14, 2011 Author Report Posted October 14, 2011 Well we know you won't be at any "occupy demo". You're on record that you'll stay safe while letting others do the heaving lifting. You'll watch from afar while nibbling on popcorn. That really shows commitment to your cause. Pretty much yeah lol Quote
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