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Productivity is corporate double talk for less people doing more work for less money...

Complete nonsense. Productivity can mean many things. In many cases, it's the same number of people accomplishing more work for the same, or more money. It all depends, and each situation and industry is different.

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Complete nonsense. Productivity can mean many things. In many cases, it's the same number of people accomplishing more work for the same, or more money. It all depends, and each situation and industry is different.

Oh goody...

Another Professorism...

I received the coveted "Complete Nonsense" from the Wannabe headliner...

By the way,what does the above have to do with RTW legislation,vis a vis its duplicitous "personal freedom" canard???...Or is this your best contribution to the discussion?

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Oh goody...

Another Professorism...

I received the coveted "Complete Nonsense" from the Wannabe headliner...

By the way,what does the above have to do with RTW legislation,vis a vis its duplicitous "personal freedom" canard???...Or is this your best contribution to the discussion?

It has to do with you being wrong on what productivity is and means. Yes, sometimes it's less people doing more work, sometimes it isn't. But it doesn't suprise me that a support of unions is against high productivity. Especially when in their negotiations, they always try to win higher wages for less work.

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It has to do with you being wrong on what productivity is and means. Yes, sometimes it's less people doing more work, sometimes it isn't. But it doesn't suprise me that a support of unions is against high productivity. Especially when in their negotiations, they always try to win higher wages for less work.

So,as usual,ya' got nothing and you're trying to change the subject...

Classic Professer...

Anyway,to your last canard you've thrown out....

Would that be like the CAW and the USWA taking two-tier wage systems at the behest of the employers involved???

Would that be like taking undefined pension plans???

Or,in my personal case,taking a 5 year contract with no raise (other than CPI) and a weaker benny plan to assist the company in it's "quest" for "productivity" and "competativeness" gains???

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Would that be like the CAW and the USWA taking two-tier wage systems at the behest of the employers involved???

Would that be like taking undefined pension plans???

They were forced into those by the looming bankruptcy of their companies, in large part from the very wage systems and pension plans that existed beforehand.

Did you know that GM was the largest private purchaser of Viagra in the world? Why? Because CAW and UAW members couldn't even buy their own boner medication. They insisted on the company paying for it.

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They were forced into those by the looming bankruptcy of their companies, in large part from the very wage systems and pension plans that existed beforehand.

Did you know that GM was the largest private purchaser of Viagra in the world? Why? Because CAW and UAW members couldn't even buy their own boner medication. They insisted on the company paying for it.

The Big 3 negotiated 2 tier wage sytems long before the bailouts began...Perhaps you knew that,although,I doubt it...

The rest is called "negotiations",and if any of those companies did'nt want pay for those things,they could have said no...

There's no excuse for shortsighted managemnt and agreeing to things that would ruin their bottom line...

And let's face it...You really have no clue about anything regarding labour legislation or contract negotiations at all,do you?

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Productivity is corporate double talk for less people doing more work for less money...

Exactly.

As for the rest,I've dealt with the "dignity" of management across a negotiating table many times...I would also call them undignified...

Yes they can be. Grievances between the union and management can get real freakin nasty. I've seen both sides of that as well. Not pretty.

I'm sorry you're "forced to say "Yes!" so much...Perhaps,in hindsight,you should have taken "The Hat"?

My specific work (I.T.) is a little different though, I get to run my own day and make sure the servers stay on so production can happen. It's very flexible. The one difference though is that my bosses actually listen to us and take the advice and concerns up the line. Which is very nice for once in my life.

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Exactly wrong.

Complete nonsense. But typical coming from you. Businesses use tech to get better productivity, so it is a matter of doing more with less people for less money. Check out many companies where they renegotiate with the unions and drop the initial wages, and change the way raises are done.

Sharkman

Productivity may be related to different things, but for a corporation the bottom line is how it affects profits.

Quite right. And one way to get better profits is streamlining processes, using IT to do more with less.

The auto assembly line is a perfect of example of using technology to do more with less. Machines work 24/7. Humans can't.

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