Perry in 2012?

[dre]

So you feel this is a grinding issue in the United States? You feel this will cost Perry the GOP nomination and/or the White House?

Tough to say. Im just saying that what you describe is aboslutely NOT a compromise. Its a total victory for one side, and a total defeat for the other.

Beyond that... I dont know. I know that the members of schoolboards who tried to ram this kind of horseshit through were ceremoniously turfed out of office on their asses even in fairly conservative places.

But that doesnt mean hes totally unelectable. But he would probably be pretty wise to distance himself from that position, because the people who would support it are definately going to vote for him ANYWAYS and if he starts his campaign promising to teach creationism in US schools hes definately going to alienate everyone besides a few ultra religious social conservatives. Even most Christians would be concerned.

Remember... hes pretty much guaranteed to get the votes of every single person that voted for McCain last time. WHat he has to do to WIN is get some Obama voters to swing, or stay away from the polls completely.

[Guest Derek L]

Tough to say. Im just saying that what you describe is aboslutely NOT a compromise. Its a total victory for one side, and a total defeat for the other.

Beyond that... I dont know. I know that the members of schoolboards who tried to ram this kind of horseshit through were ceremoniously turfed out of office on their asses even in fairly conservative places.

But that doesnt mean hes totally unelectable. But he would probably be pretty wise to distance himself from that position, because the people who would support it are definately going to vote for him ANYWAYS and if he starts his campaign promising to teach creationism in US schools hes definately going to alienate everyone besides a few ultra religious social conservatives. Even most Christians would be concerned.

Remember... hes pretty much guaranteed to get the votes of every single person that voted for McCain last time. WHat he has to do to WIN is get some Obama voters to swing, or stay away from the polls completely.

Something tells me Rick Perry, with perhaps the help of Karl Rove (again) will likely be running on Perry’s economic record in Texas and Obama’s running the country……..I’d be willing to bet that he chooses Palin as his running mate, and uses her to shore up his base amongst the Tea partiers and evangelicals, well he focuses on the more grown-up things like the economy, debt/spending and national defence/foreign affairs.

[Bonam]

Er, Perry? The guy who said fixing America's economy is in the hands of god? No thanks.

[dre]

Something tells me Rick Perry, with perhaps the help of Karl Rove (again) will likely be running on Perry’s economic record in Texas and Obama’s running the country……..I’d be willing to bet that he chooses Palin as his running mate, and uses her to shore up his base amongst the Tea partiers and evangelicals, well he focuses on the more grown-up things like the economy, debt/spending and national defence/foreign affairs.

Theres no reason for him to pick Palin as his running mate. The tea partiers would vote for him over Obama ANYWAYS. Like I said, to win he has to swing some people that voted Obama last time, and the last thing you need to do that is Sarah the tard, or rambling about creation in public schools.

Pick a centrist uncontraversial running mate, and talk about nothing besides the economy.

[Guest Derek L]

Er, Perry? The guy who said fixing America's economy is in the hands of god? No thanks.

I’m sure he thinks there’s a few things more to it than that……..Or maybe Perry is using Jesus magic on the economy of Texas….

[Guest Derek L]

Theres no reason for him to pick Palin as his running mate. The tea partiers would vote for him over Obama ANYWAYS. Like I said, to win he has to swing some people that voted Obama last time, and the last thing you need to do that is Sarah the tard, or rambling about creation in public schools.

Pick a centrist uncontraversial running mate, and talk about nothing besides the economy.

Sure there is, to solidify his base. Perry’s the one that will campaign to the center-right…As he moves to the center, he’ll need someone to keep the Tea Party onboard…..or he might get the Ross Perot treatment (Donald Trump?) and Obama come up the middle…….and I predict a women VP Palin vs. Bachmann…I’d take Palin any day……..

[Bonam]

I’m sure he thinks there’s a few things more to it than that……..Or maybe Perry is using Jesus magic on the economy of Texas….

I don't know what he thinks, I only know what he says. And if someone's main vocalized strategy for economic growth is divine intervention, well, that tells me all I need to know.

End of the day, I'd rather be taxed to death by socialists than burned to death by religious fanatics.

Edited August 12, 2011 by Bonam

[Guest Derek L]

I don't know what he thinks, I only know what he says. And if someone's main vocalized strategy for economic growth is divine intervention, well, that tells me all I need to know.

End of the day, I'd rather be taxed to death by socialists than burned to death by religious fanatics.

How much of Perry's record do you know? He’s polling 2nd behind Romney and he hasn’t even announced he’d run yet…….There’s a reason for it. His current record aside, it stands to reason, the political mad scientist Karl Rove has yet to create an unelectable governor, senator and presidential candidate. He got W. elected four times…….

[Bonam]

How much of Perry's record do you know?

Not much. Pretty much the only thing I know is the quick clip I saw of him saying that. And that's really all I need to know. Someone who's that much of a religious zealot, or caters that much to religious zealots, is not someone I'd want running any country, much less the US.

[Moonlight Graham]

...and I predict a women VP. Palin vs. Bachmann...I’d take Palin any day...

Palin is uneducated and rather unintelligent. Bachmann was a lawyer (hey, gotta give some credit), but is batshit crazy. I'd rather see the VP go to a rubber boot, because at least the rubber boot can't initiate the launch codes.

[bush_cheney2004]

... I'd rather see the VP go to a rubber boot, because at least the rubber boot can't initiate the launch codes.

Anybody who is educated and intelligent would know better about the "launch codes". Are you smarter than Palin?

[Guest Derek L]

Palin is uneducated and rather unintelligent. Bachmann was a lawyer (hey, gotta give some credit), but is batshit crazy. I'd rather see the VP go to a rubber boot, because at least the rubber boot can't initiate the launch codes.

I’d take Palin over any of Gore, Quayle, Biden…..Chairmen of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission and her stint as governor is something…..She’s obviously “doing better” than you or I…….As for Bachmann, though I wouldn’t go as far as you, after watching her in the debate tonight, I too have lost all interest in her……

[eyeball]

I don't know what he thinks, I only know what he says. And if someone's main vocalized strategy for economic growth is divine intervention, well, that tells me all I need to know.

End of the day, I'd rather be taxed to death by socialists than burned to death by religious fanatics.

It's a little late in the day to hope for that. Socialists are pretty much THE scum of the Earth everywhere you go now - the root cause of everything that is wrong with everything in the known universe.

But don't worry, I suspect this right-wing horror-show would have millions of lefty's and other undesirables to crack down and get tough on before they ever get around to right-wing atheists. You'll have lots of time to work on your piety while learning how to live with the program.

[maple_leafs182]

Debt is only a problem for irresponsible actors. At the end of the day the system works, and the entities that make poor choices have problems, and the ones that make smart choices dont.

The system works but barely...the system is also rigged to benefit the corporations and banks over the general public.

In a capitalist market you can write down promises on a piece of paper and sell that piece of paper for whatever someone will voluntarily pay for it. Thats what a bond is, and thats also what a mortgage is. If you sell promises you cant deliver on, then youre stupid and you deserve what you get. You can whine all day that the SYSTEM did it to you, but you did it YOURSELF. The people in most of the western nations that have high debt loads kept voting over and over again for parties that made lavish and expensive promises, and they kept voting in governments that ran big defecits. They had no problem using all the stuff that that borrowed money bought... all the infrastucture, and development, and the increased standard of life that was defecit financed.

In a capitalist market you wouldn't be bailing out people who defaulted on there debts.

I never had a say in what the Canadian Government spent its debt on, most citizens of any country don't have a say in what their government spends their money on. Governments are inefficient, reckless and can't be trusted, you need a safe guard like a gold standard to prevent governments from taking on so much debt.

If Im supposed to cry a song for debtor nations Im gonna need a pretty damn small violin!

You don't have to cry about it but you should at least understand how borderline retarded the current global economic system is.

The next great depression has started, many innocent people in many countries are the world are already suffering as a result of this system. Look at all the rioting and uprisings that are going on around the world, its because the economy is going to hell.

I know you guys keep saying that this current system is responsible for the increased standard of living we have, if that is true, which i disagree...its all not worth it, all the pain we are creating around the world isn't worth the trade off.

[punked]

Easy credit was given to people threw margin loans so they could gamble on wall street.

A gold standard is when a currency is tied to gold, it limits the ability for governments to overspend and go into debt.

As for the UK, I am sure they piled on a boat load of debt in order to fight WWI. Yes going back to a gold standard right after that would of been bad because there wouldn't be enough money circulating around the economy to service all that debt. England wouldn't of been able to stimulate the economy like the Fed and other central banks are doing now.

Now look at the current system we have with fiat currencies, we are enslaved to a system of debt, countries are being brought down because of their debts. We have become dependent on banks and corporations for our livelihood, our success is dependent on their success. If they fail we bail them out, if they succeed they keep the profits.

Debt is the problem, not the gold standard, a system that operates on debt can never work.

The gold Standard does nothing to debt. So you want to go back to a system that does not work for what reason? If the problem is debt wouldn't you want to vote for someone who address the problem?

[bush_cheney2004]

...The next great depression has started, many innocent people in many countries are the world are already suffering as a result of this system. Look at all the rioting and uprisings that are going on around the world, its because the economy is going to hell.

I know you guys keep saying that this current system is responsible for the increased standard of living we have, if that is true, which i disagree...its all not worth it, all the pain we are creating around the world isn't worth the trade off.

So you acknowledge your own fundamental inconsistency....decrying a pending "depression" only highlights the success and standard of living that exists/existed before under "this system". Do you not know that that there were "riots and uprisings" while on a "gold standard"?

[maple_leafs182]

The gold Standard does nothing to debt. So you want to go back to a system that does not work for what reason? If the problem is debt wouldn't you want to vote for someone who address the problem?

Ron Paul does address the debt problem and luckily it seems like America is finally waking up to his message. Ron paul just finished in 2nd place at the Iowa straw poll and was less then 200 votes be

hind Michelle Bachman who came in first.

BC, you still think Paul has no chance at ever becoming president.

[bush_cheney2004]

BC, you still think Paul has no chance at ever becoming president.

Only if he is elected VP and the president drops dead.

[maple_leafs182]

So you acknowledge your own fundamental inconsistency....decrying a pending "depression" only highlights the success and standard of living that exists/existed before under "this system". Do you not know that that there were "riots and uprisings" while on a "gold standard"?

I don't fully undertand what you are saying but we are in the depression.

[bush_cheney2004]

I don't fully undertand what you are saying but we are in the depression.

What I am saying is that the comparisons you are making invoke the very successes of the "system" you criticize. What is your baseline? What is your measure for standard of living? How can you justify a claim of "depression" without any numbers to back it up?

[Guest Derek L]

Ron Paul does address the debt problem and luckily it seems like America is finally waking up to his message. Ron paul just finished in 2nd place at the Iowa straw poll and was less then 200 votes be

hind Michelle Bachman who came in first.

BC, you still think Paul has no chance at ever becoming president.

Nope, of the now five Ames straw polls held, only W. after wining it, went on to become President the following November.......His Dad, won it in 79, but we all know how that turned out........

[GostHacked]

So Rick Perry will be next president, is what I am hearing. Another ones come up from the ranks as a nobody, like Obama.

[Guest Derek L]

So Rick Perry will be next president, is what I am hearing. Another ones come up from the ranks as a nobody, like Obama.

The governor of a state (for the past 10 years) with a GDP almost the size of Canada's is a nobody?

[GostHacked]

The governor of a state (for the past 10 years) with a GDP almost the size of Canada's is a nobody?

Hey I never heard of Obama before he was running for President either. Perry is a hypocrite anyways, he said a couple months ago, there was no way he was running for President, and now he is. He will be the next POTUS, it's already been decided. I thought Obama was going to be two term, but his ever so greying hair indicates he is on the way out.

[Oleg Bach]

Perry - a nice handsome and presentable elite - with no street smarts and a blind sense of entitilement...another American mistake just waiting to happen.