Yukon Jack Posted August 15, 2011 Report Posted August 15, 2011 We don't need another Texas wingnut in the oval office. Especially a religious wingnut that doesn't understand logic or science. link So, would you prefer a Chicago thug for a second term? Especially a communist organizer thug that does not understand that eventually all socialists will run out of other people's money? Quote
Michael Hardner Posted August 15, 2011 Report Posted August 15, 2011 Especially a communist organizer thug that does not understand that eventually all socialists will run out of other people's money? That kind of bumper-sticker take on politics is more of a problem than anything, in my view. Obama taxes us less than Reagan did, and yet we still have these dumb accusations. It would be great to have a dialogue about what kind of country the US wants to have: if they want to cut taxes then fine, if they want to raise taxes then fine. But there is a real problem with people who proudly shout slogans that they should really be embarrassed about. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Yukon Jack Posted August 15, 2011 Report Posted August 15, 2011 So Rick Perry will be next president, is what I am hearing. Another ones come up from the ranks as a nobody, like Obama. I fully agree with the last three words of your post. Quote
GostHacked Posted August 15, 2011 Report Posted August 15, 2011 (edited) That kind of bumper-sticker take on politics is more of a problem than anything, in my view. But there is a real problem with people who proudly shout slogans that they should really be embarrassed about. American politics is chock full of people who chant bumper sticker slogans. "Hope and Change" was one of them. And the people ate it up. They love slogans without substance! Edited August 15, 2011 by GostHacked Quote Google : Webster Griffin Tarpley, Gerald Celente, Max Keiser ohm on soundcloud.com
Michael Hardner Posted August 15, 2011 Report Posted August 15, 2011 Texas wingnut is apt. Chicago thug is questionable but at least you can debate that. But it makes as much sense to call Obama a communist as it does to call Bush or Perry one. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Michael Hardner Posted August 15, 2011 Report Posted August 15, 2011 They love slogans without substance! Certain things have definitions, though, even if they're broad definitions. Obama isn't a Communist any more than he is a caterpillar. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Bonam Posted August 15, 2011 Report Posted August 15, 2011 That kind of bumper-sticker take on politics is more of a problem than anything, in my view. Obama taxes us less than Reagan did, and yet we still have these dumb accusations. Tax rates might be less, but spending is a heck of a lot higher. All bought on credit. Someone is going to be paying for that spending sooner or later. Quote
Yukon Jack Posted August 15, 2011 Report Posted August 15, 2011 That kind of bumper-sticker take on politics is more of a problem than anything, in my view. Obama taxes us less than Reagan did, and yet we still have these dumb accusations. It would be great to have a dialogue about what kind of country the US wants to have: if they want to cut taxes then fine, if they want to raise taxes then fine. But there is a real problem with people who proudly shout slogans that they should really be embarrassed about. What 0bama spending is not all tax money, whether the tax rate is lower or higher than under Reagan. He is borrowing from hostile countries and spends that borrowed money like drunken sailor. That 0bama is a socialist (a failed one even at being a socialist, according to Bernie Sanders) can not be denied. Neither can the fact that he doubled the debt he inherited from Bush spending borrowed Chinese money. If the Chinese won't run out of money, they have shown already that they about running out of patience and willingness to lend. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted August 15, 2011 Report Posted August 15, 2011 Tax rates might be less, but spending is a heck of a lot higher. All bought on credit. Someone is going to be paying for that spending sooner or later. There's a recession on, though, and a couple of wars too. Factor those things into it. But I'm not defending the economic policies of the US government, I'd just like to have people debate things as they are, not as they'd like them to be. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
GostHacked Posted August 15, 2011 Report Posted August 15, 2011 Certain things have definitions, though, even if they're broad definitions. Obama isn't a Communist any more than he is a caterpillar. He is as much a POTUS as he is a communist, and I agree, he is no communist. Quote Google : Webster Griffin Tarpley, Gerald Celente, Max Keiser ohm on soundcloud.com
Michael Hardner Posted August 15, 2011 Report Posted August 15, 2011 That 0bama is a socialist (a failed one even at being a socialist, according to Bernie Sanders) can not be denied. I'm denying it and pretty much anybody who knows was socialism is would deny it too. I'm not sure who you think you're going to convince on here by overstating your case. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
GostHacked Posted August 15, 2011 Report Posted August 15, 2011 I'm denying it and pretty much anybody who knows was socialism is would deny it too. I'm not sure who you think you're going to convince on here by overstating your case. He is a corporate socialist. Quote Google : Webster Griffin Tarpley, Gerald Celente, Max Keiser ohm on soundcloud.com
Michael Hardner Posted August 15, 2011 Report Posted August 15, 2011 He is a corporate socialist. From Wiki: "Socialism ... is an economic system in which the means of production are publicly or commonly owned and controlled cooperatively, or a political philosophy advocating such a system." Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Yukon Jack Posted August 15, 2011 Report Posted August 15, 2011 (edited) Texas wingnut is apt. Chicago thug is questionable but at least you can debate that. But it makes as much sense to call Obama a communist as it does to call Bush or Perry one. You can tell a bird by its feathers and you can tell a man by his friends. 0bama has a whole slew of communist friends, advisors and associates. Safe guess that more than Bush or Perry. 0bama's thug friends: Richard Trumka, Leo Gerard, Tony Rezko. 0bama's communist friends: Van Jones, Valeriy Jarrett, Bill Ayers. Edited August 15, 2011 by Yukon Jack Quote
GostHacked Posted August 15, 2011 Report Posted August 15, 2011 From Wiki: "Socialism ... is an economic system in which the means of production are publicly or commonly owned and controlled cooperatively, or a political philosophy advocating such a system." Sounds like Corporate Socialism to me!! Quote Google : Webster Griffin Tarpley, Gerald Celente, Max Keiser ohm on soundcloud.com
Michael Hardner Posted August 15, 2011 Report Posted August 15, 2011 Sounds like Corporate Socialism to me!! There is no movement towards public ownership of production in the US, so you are wrong. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Michael Hardner Posted August 15, 2011 Report Posted August 15, 2011 0bama has a whole slew of communist friends, advisors and associates. That's just wishful slander. I do appreciate you posting this, though, as I will now remember you in the future as the person who thinks that the US is under Communist leadership. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Yukon Jack Posted August 15, 2011 Report Posted August 15, 2011 I'm denying it and pretty much anybody who knows was socialism is would deny it too. I'm not sure who you think you're going to convince on here by overstating your case. 0bama is an American. According to the American magazine NEWSWEEK's cover November, 2008, "WE ARE ALL SOCIALISTS NOW!". Maybe Newsweek was overstating it??? Quote
Michael Hardner Posted August 15, 2011 Report Posted August 15, 2011 0bama is an American. According to the American magazine NEWSWEEK's cover November, 2008, "WE ARE ALL SOCIALISTS NOW!". Maybe Newsweek was overstating it??? Wrong again - February 2009. It was a play on words, which wasn't targeted at your, uh, "demographic". Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Guest Derek L Posted August 15, 2011 Report Posted August 15, 2011 Obama isn’t a communist, nor a true socialist, most Commies and socialists have (flawed) plans with regards to governing and control of the economy………Obama has neither. Quote
GostHacked Posted August 15, 2011 Report Posted August 15, 2011 There is no movement towards public ownership of production in the US, so you are wrong. You've missed the 'too-big-to-fail' bank bailouts and where the US government even owns a nice chunk of GM though stocks. If you use public money (but borrowing from the private institution that is the Federal Reserve). to shore up private entities, and if the goverment is publicly owned, then yes .. it is public ownership. However the american people won't ever benefit (aside from the select few) from it. Quote Google : Webster Griffin Tarpley, Gerald Celente, Max Keiser ohm on soundcloud.com
Michael Hardner Posted August 15, 2011 Report Posted August 15, 2011 You've missed the 'too-big-to-fail' bank bailouts and where the US government even owns a nice chunk of GM though stocks. If you use public money (but borrowing from the private institution that is the Federal Reserve). to shore up private entities, and if the goverment is publicly owned, then yes .. it is public ownership. However the american people won't ever benefit (aside from the select few) from it. A bailout is a temporary response to an emergency, not the same as a concerted plan to take over companies. George W. Bush did them too, and didn't Reagan help bail out Chrysler in the 1980s. In any case, I know that people just like spewing silly things that makes them puff their chests out and I think this is the real reason behind this. After all, there are plenty of things I'm sure you would LOVE to call Obama, but can't because this is a polite web board. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Yukon Jack Posted August 15, 2011 Report Posted August 15, 2011 That's just wishful slander. I do appreciate you posting this, though, as I will now remember you in the future as the person who thinks that the US is under Communist leadership. Also, try to remember that the great Democratic idol, FDR's solution for the Great Depression was modeled on his favorite Uncle Joe Stalin's Five Year Plan. Quote
Yukon Jack Posted August 15, 2011 Report Posted August 15, 2011 Wrong again - February 2009. It was a play on words, which wasn't targeted at your, uh, "demographic". If I was wrong about the date of the publication, my apologies. Play on words? It was certainly not targeted at my 'demographics' (whatever the heck you mean by that) because play on words or not, the idiocy of that cover could only sway those who were already hopelessly misguided. Quote
GostHacked Posted August 15, 2011 Report Posted August 15, 2011 A bailout is a temporary response to an emergency, not the same as a concerted plan to take over companies. George W. Bush did them too, and didn't Reagan help bail out Chrysler in the 1980s. I don't agree with bailouts. No matter how far back you go. If companies can't get their stuff together, why should they be bailed out? The average person does not get bailed out by the government when they get themselves into this kind of trouble. In any case, I know that people just like spewing silly things that makes them puff their chests out and I think this is the real reason behind this. Wow if you think I spew, hate to know what you think of other posters on this board. After all, there are plenty of things I'm sure you would LOVE to call Obama, but can't because this is a polite web board. That sounds a bit trollish there Mike, hardly becoming of a 'facilitator'. If I took that bait I might get banned again. However I can call Obama many things, two of which are puppet and failure. Quote Google : Webster Griffin Tarpley, Gerald Celente, Max Keiser ohm on soundcloud.com
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