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Saipan · May 21, 2011

One problem is call it "upper" chamber.

It's as low as it can get if a senator can lay on Mexican beaches for a year while still getting regular salary and no one knows.

Wilber · May 21, 2011

That's right. If change is to be made, the most important change would be equal senators for each province, if EEE is what you're trying to get. If therm limits or elections are implemented first, it's going to make what some see as a bad situation into a worse situation.

You would also have a lot more relatively young retired Senators at the public trough collecting pensions.

Remiel · May 21, 2011

So why the Opposition don't agree with good ideas?

Because the government hasn't had any?

Saipan · May 21, 2011

Because the government hasn't had any?

It has VERY many.

For example it's doing away with liberal waste and police state mentality like long gun registry. Elected senate, Effective Defence of the North etc.

Remiel · May 21, 2011

...Elected senate...

Do you have any idea how this elected Senate would actually work? What exactly is good about the idea?

RNG · May 21, 2011

Do you have any idea how this elected Senate would actually work? What exactly is good about the idea?

Yes. Alberta did it very successfully. Just the government didn't act on it. Cretin decided to appoint failed Lib candidates and old time party hacks instead.

Do we want a democracy, or a Party Hackism?

Battletoads · May 21, 2011

Should be a good election in five years if stevie keeps doing what the liberal did in the past, while shoving his inane ideology down the throats of Canadians. NDP majority? Maybe...

Saipan · May 22, 2011

Do you have any idea how this elected Senate would actually work?

Yes. More effectively. Because elected senator may not be elected for another term if he does lousy job.

Saipan · May 22, 2011

Should be a good election in five years if stevie keeps doing what the liberal did in the past

He won't.

That's why Ignatieff lost big time.

cybercoma · May 22, 2011

Isn't limiting terms to 8 years a good idea? That didn't even get past the House.

Of course that's not a good idea. That allows the PM to stack the Senate with their own party hacks. It makes the Senate even more useless.

MiddleClassCentrist · May 22, 2011

Of course that's not a good idea. That allows the PM to stack the Senate with their own party hacks. It makes the Senate even more useless.

Maybe 12 years is more reasonable.

It would take being relected twice to get 50% of the senate filled.

Remiel · May 22, 2011

Yes. More effectively. Because elected senator may not be elected for another term if he does lousy job.

Just a I thought; you really have no clue.

RNG · May 22, 2011

Just a I thought; you really have no clue.

What clue do you claim to have?

Remiel · May 22, 2011

What clue do you claim to have?

For one, I have actually read David Smith's book on the Senate; and I have to read it again very soon.

But aside from that, anyone who had a pulse during the last election should know that personally doing a "good" or "bad" job often has almost nothing to do with whether you get elected/re-elected.

As well, Saipan's simplistic response was completely inadequate to deal with the problem that has already been rightly raised in this very thread: that any reform proposals that do not take into account the relationship to the House of Commons are just irresponsible. And he makes mention of absolutely none of the actual questions about why one method of divvying up seats in better than another, or how any of this is going to get past the provinces. All the things you need to have to have a clue.

Saipan · May 22, 2011

Just a I thought; you really have no clue.

I thought I thought puddycat....

Saipan · May 22, 2011

But aside from that, anyone who had a pulse during the last election should know that personally doing a "good" or "bad" job often has almost nothing to do with whether you get elected/re-elected.

So anyone who "has a pulse" think Canadians are too stupid to make such decisions at election time?

So what makes YOU so much smarter?

As well, Saipan's simplistic response was completely inadequate to deal with the problem that has already been rightly raised in this very thread

Should we adapt a system of another country? Perhaps Cuba?

Rick · May 22, 2011

It has VERY many.

For example it's doing away with liberal waste and police state mentality like long gun registry. Elected senate, Effective Defence of the North etc.

He said good ideas not examples of how Stevie Hypocrite has turned this country into a 3rd world banana republic.

But let's examine your examples for a monet...

Liberal waste: You mean such like Tony Clement's gazebo or the fake lake or Stevie Hypocrite's bloated government cabinet?

Police State Mentality: You mean like the abuse of powers and police brutality displayed at G20 or how Harper's own government continues to operate in a manner which would hjave made Mussolini blush.

Elected Senate: Surely you jest... the 3 freshly minted conservative piggies Harper's appointed are laughing at that.

Defence of the North: Ya, lots of talk. No action. Whatever did happen to those heavy troop carrying ice brfeakers Stevie Hypocrite promised to have built... ya,remember them? more bs from the Harpocrites.

Saipan · May 22, 2011

He said good ideas not examples of how Stevie Hypocrite has turned this country into a 3rd world banana republic.

Fortunately Dion had no chance to do that. So Canada did better than most all countries during the last economic depression - and our dollar is now a real dollar, unlike Chretein's 62 cent Peso.

Rick · May 22, 2011

And quite curiously you avoided answering any of the issues I raised about your own lying waste of skin leader's moves...

By the bye, we're talking about Harper not people who have zero bearing on Canada's economic or political state.

Try and keep up

Saipan · May 22, 2011

Police State Mentality: You mean like the abuse of powers and police brutality displayed at G20 or how Harper's own government continues to operate in a manner which would hjave made Mussolini blush.

McGuinty's police.

State police (RCMP) was at 'work" during APEC when Chretien just "pood pepper on his plade". And when ONE minister only had the power to confiscate any legally bought and registered firearms.

Elected Senate: Surely you jest... the 3 freshly minted conservative piggies Harper's appointed are laughing at that.

Unlike liberal piggies, one of whom was laying on Mexican beaches for a year and still collecting regular salary while everyone thought he's working.

WHY other provinces don't elect Senators???? Is it Harper's fault only Alberta does??

Defence of the North: Ya, lots of talk. No action.

Unlike Chretein, who gave small band of natives orange suit and antique .303 British bolt action rifles and call it the "defence of the North, Haper is sending navy and declared Northern Passage part of Canada - whether the US, Denmark or anyone else like it or not. Bush wasn't exactly overjoyed after that.

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Saipan · May 22, 2011

And quite curiously you avoided answering any of the issues

You answer questions, not issues. Don't be shy and ask.

your own lying waste of skin leader's moves...

If you mean Prime Minister, that was Chretien who promised to "kill GST and NAFTA" just to get elected. Yet he was the ONLY one (besides his finance minister Martin) who benefited from it most, so he kept it as designed by Mulroney, with the exception he didn't use it as intended - to pay off the national debt. He used it to buy votes and squader around the globe to various dictators including Mugabe.

It's why our dollar fell to all time low then.

Edited May 22, 2011 by Saipan

g_bambino · May 22, 2011

Should we adapt a system of another country? Perhaps Cuba?

Wow. You're tossing out non sequiturs left, right, and centre. Clearly you can't answer the question or address the valid points that were raised.

scribblet · May 22, 2011

How about a referendum at the next election - abolish or reform ?

Rick · May 22, 2011

You answer questions, not issues. Don't be shy and ask.

If you mean Prime Minister, that was Chretien who promised to "kill GST and NAFTA" just to get elected. Yet he was the ONLY one (besides his finance minister Martin) who benefited from it most, so he kept it as designed by Mulroney, with the exception he didn't use it as intended - to pay off the national debt. He used it to buy votes and squader around the globe to various dictators including Mugabe.

It's why our dollar fell to all time low then.

So your entire defence for all of Stevie Harpocrite's failings, lies and unfulfilled promises is to use the governments of a decade ago, one which Harpocrite himself promised to be better than as an excuse?

It's people like you that are the very reason why there is such great apathy and disgust for the way this country is run.

And it demonstrates very clearly why the NDP continue to grow in leaps and bounds.

Tilter · May 22, 2011

He has become a dictator and as the power grows so will his evil ways will and just remember who elected him and gave him to power to do what HE wants for Canada. Watch the national debt grow along with the deficit, watch the poor get poorer asnd the middle-class disappear. Just look at his cabinet and taxpayers will be paying more in their golden pensions. It's undemocratic for ANY PM to do what Harper has done in the last five years but I sure he'll set a new record.

Claptrap. You are disgusted because the voters sent your idol to sit in the corner and now see that Harper is doing what every pol has done since Confederation.

Suck it up.