Sleipnir Posted November 10, 2012 Report Posted November 10, 2012 Yes, betsy. The chicken came first. It was moulded from the breath of angels then started laying eggs. Never have I met someone (betsy) so irrational and illogical - it stuns me. Quote "All you need in this life is ignorance and confidence; then success is sure." - Mark Twain
jbg Posted November 11, 2012 Report Posted November 11, 2012 I've been specializing in the topic of evolution and biodiversity or 6 years. When I come across statements like betsy made - it makes my left eye twitch. Similar to the Arkansas scientist, Mr. Gish, who "discovered" human footprints in dinosaur footprints. And went on national TV to say that man was more closely related to a bullfrog than an ape? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Sleipnir Posted November 11, 2012 Report Posted November 11, 2012 Similar to the Arkansas scientist, Mr. Gish, who "discovered" human footprints in dinosaur footprints. And went on national TV to say that man was more closely related to a bullfrog than an ape? I'm not following you Quote "All you need in this life is ignorance and confidence; then success is sure." - Mark Twain
Mighty AC Posted November 12, 2012 Report Posted November 12, 2012 (edited) Duane Gish was the vice president of the Institute for Creation Research. In an attempt to counter protein evidence that supports the idea that humans and chimps have a recent common ancestor, Gish lied about protein data showing the same similarities in bullfrogs and chickens. I didn't know Gish was involved in the fossilized human footprints found alongside dino footprints case, but it was another faked story that creationists used to try and "prove" their young earth beliefs. Even though young earthers label their opponents as evolutionists, they don't actually deny evolution or natural selection. They just deny changes requiring long time frames because their belief system doesn't permit it. So they deny radiometric dating methods and contend that man coexisted with dinosaurs instead. Hence, their eagerness to jump on the fake stories listed. Edited November 12, 2012 by Mighty AC Quote "Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire
betsy Posted November 14, 2012 Author Report Posted November 14, 2012 (edited) FACT: THE SCRIPTURES AND SCIENCE ARE COMING INTO AGREEMENT. Evidences in favor of the Bible are starting to pile up. SCIENCE SPEAKS by Peter W. Stoner In this revised edition of Science Speaks Professor Stoner examines the findings of science and the Genesis account of creation. He considers the day by day order of creation and shows the accuracy of Moses' record. The well-accepted principle of probability is applied to Bible prophecy. A fascinating discussion centers around Ezekiel's prophecy concerning Tyre, Micah's predictions about Samaria, and Jeremiah's utterances dealing with Moab, Ammon and Babylon. Attention is given to Old Testament prophecy which finds fulfillment in the life and ministry of Jesus Christ. The attack by critics of the Bible has often come in the name of science. Faith has been threatened because the Bible has been thought to be in serious error. Today, through the efforts of Christian scientists, items of conflict between science and the scriptures are being harmonized. The evidence continues to accumulate in favor of the Bible as the product of Divine intelligence. Science Speaks is an enlightening comparison of Biblical truth and the established scientific data FOREWORD The manuscript for Science Speaks has been carefully reviewed by a committee of the American Scientific Affiliation members and by the Executive Council of the same group and has been found, in general, to be dependable and accurate in regard to the scientific material presented. The mathematical analysis included is based upon principles of probability which are thoroughly sound and Professor Stoner has applied these principles in a proper and convincing way. American Scientific Affiliation H. HAROLD HARTZLER, Ph.D. Secretary-Treasurer Goshen College, Ind. PREFACE A generation ago (that is, a "generation" before Science Speaks was originally published, in 1952, by Van Kampen Press - Editor) there were dire discrepancies between Genesis 1 and the findings of science, and especially was this true of astronomy. The attack of the critic came primarily through the sciences, and the faith of many young people was wrecked because they thought the Bible was in serious error and therefore could no longer be trusted. Since that time, tremendous advances in the sciences have taken place. One by one the items of conflict between science and the Genesis account were harmonized. Today the last serious point of conflict between the Scriptures and science has not only been harmonized, but the findings of science stand ready to supply tremendous evidence that the Bible could not possibly have been written representing the education and culture of that day. Today, if our young people are properly taught in the churches, there is no possible excuse for losing their faith in college, for everything that they study in the physical sciences will speak of the unerring truth of the bible. If they will stop to consider, it will prove to them that God alone could have been the Author of the Bible. It is the purpose of this book to lay side by side the findings of the physical sciences and the statements of the Scriptures, so that anyone may observe their miraculous agreement. In setting up these relations, the scriptural statements have been taken exactly as they are given, neither adding to nor subtracting from them. No scriptural statement has been taken out of its context. No wild scientific theory has been introduced to explain a scriptural account. Only the best modern scientific material has been used. This scientific material would be accepted in any college science class. We might define science as "the result of the attempt of man to determine what God did in the creation and what laws He laid down." Science is ever advancing, and during the last few years there has been a tremendous acceleration. It is not the thought of the authors that this book is the final word on the correlation of the sciences and the Scriptures. They do believe that, as science advances still more, these correlations will be greatly improved and made still more positive. http://sciencespeaks...t/index.html#c0 Edited November 14, 2012 by betsy Quote
Sleipnir Posted November 14, 2012 Report Posted November 14, 2012 FACT: THE SCRIPTURES AND SCIENCE ARE NOT COMING INTO AGREEMENT. Glad I fixed that for you Quote "All you need in this life is ignorance and confidence; then success is sure." - Mark Twain
Moonlight Graham Posted November 15, 2012 Report Posted November 15, 2012 My gf is Catholic, but not the regular church-going type. I was raised Catholic but am not religious anymore and am more agnostic. I asked her if she wants our hypothetical future kids to be Catholic - she said yes. I said I don't. She said "what, you want them to be atheist?". I said "No, I'll let them choose whatever religion they want or not want". This almost started a fight LOL so we dropped the subject for now, to be continued... One this is certain, I won't be showing my future hypothetical kids this thread. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
The_Squid Posted November 15, 2012 Report Posted November 15, 2012 My gf is Catholic, but not the regular church-going type. How can someone be Catholic, want their children to be raised Catholic, but not go to church? Why would it be important to label her children as "Catholic" if she (and presumably the kids) won't be adhering to the tenets? (feel free to ask her for me and post her answer!) Quote
Moonlight Graham Posted November 15, 2012 Report Posted November 15, 2012 How can someone be Catholic, want their children to be raised Catholic, but not go to church? Why would it be important to label her children as "Catholic" if she (and presumably the kids) won't be adhering to the tenets? (feel free to ask her for me and post her answer!) Well she goes to church sometimes, but just not every Sunday. Has a cross above the bed, a rosary laying around etc. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Merlin Posted November 15, 2012 Report Posted November 15, 2012 My gf is Catholic, but not the regular church-going type. I was raised Catholic but am not religious anymore and am more agnostic. I asked her if she wants our hypothetical future kids to be Catholic - she said yes. I said I don't. She said "what, you want them to be atheist?". I said "No, I'll let them choose whatever religion they want or not want". This almost started a fight LOL so we dropped the subject for now, to be continued... One this is certain, I won't be showing my future hypothetical kids this thread. I think that a Catholic upbringing provides a good framework from which to lead your life. Plus the schools seem to be vastly superior according to the rankings. Don't let your own feelings on the subject of God poison your children. By shielding them from religion you're poisoning the water. Quote
wyly Posted November 15, 2012 Report Posted November 15, 2012 I think that a Catholic upbringing provides a good framework from which to lead your life. Plus the schools seem to be vastly superior according to the rankings. Don't let your own feelings on the subject of God poison your children. By shielding them from religion you're poisoning the water. according rankings in ontario and alberta catholic schools rank no better than public schools... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
Merlin Posted November 15, 2012 Report Posted November 15, 2012 according rankings in ontario and alberta catholic schools rank no better than public schools... I think you are mistaken. The one I saw in the paper stated the opposite to be true. Quote
cybercoma Posted November 15, 2012 Report Posted November 15, 2012 (edited) How can someone be Catholic, want their children to be raised Catholic, but not go to church? Why would it be important to label her children as "Catholic" if she (and presumably the kids) won't be adhering to the tenets? (feel free to ask her for me and post her answer!) Catholics are funny like that.I think it's mostly to make older family members happy that people do this. Or the idea that the kids are obligated to be something religious. They can't be nothing Know what I mean?. Edited November 15, 2012 by cybercoma Quote
Sleipnir Posted November 15, 2012 Report Posted November 15, 2012 I think that a Catholic upbringing provides a good framework from which to lead your life. Plus the schools seem to be vastly superior according to the rankings. According to what rankings? Quote "All you need in this life is ignorance and confidence; then success is sure." - Mark Twain
The_Squid Posted November 15, 2012 Report Posted November 15, 2012 Catholics are funny like that. I think it's mostly to make older family members happy that people do this. Or the idea that the kids are obligated to be something religious. They can't be nothing Know what I mean?. I do know what you mean.... but, imo, its hypocritical and weird. Quote
Moonlight Graham Posted November 16, 2012 Report Posted November 16, 2012 I think that a Catholic upbringing provides a good framework from which to lead your life. Plus the schools seem to be vastly superior according to the rankings. Don't let your own feelings on the subject of God poison your children. By shielding them from religion you're poisoning the water. I bet I could raise my kid as an atheist (which I'm not) better than 95% of Catholics raise their kids. I could raise my kids to be spiritual, even to believe in many of the things Jesus stood for, or even to believe in God, without raising them to follow any particular religion. You don't have to be religious to be moral, and vice versa Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
The_Squid Posted November 16, 2012 Report Posted November 16, 2012 I bet I could raise my kid as an atheist (which I'm not) better than 95% of Catholics raise their kids. I could raise my kids to be spiritual, even to believe in many of the things Jesus stood for, or even to believe in God, without raising them to follow any particular religion. You don't have to be religious to be moral, and vice versa Some of the catholical tenets are actually immoral and inconsistent with modern humanist principles. Quote
Moonlight Graham Posted November 16, 2012 Report Posted November 16, 2012 Some of the catholical tenets are actually immoral and inconsistent with modern humanist principles. A very close friend of mine is a lesbian and is getting married next year. However, her fiancé's parents are Catholic and refuse to come to the wedding, in keeping with advice of their pastor. WHERE CAN I SIGN MY KIDS UP FOR THIS AWESOME RELIGION OH BOY!! Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
betsy Posted November 16, 2012 Author Report Posted November 16, 2012 Your discussion is interesting, but please, let's get back on topic. Here is the latest listed fact, in case you've overlooked it. FACT: THE SCRIPTURES AND SCIENCE ARE COMING INTO AGREEMENT. Evidences in favor of the Bible are starting to pile up. SCIENCE SPEAKS by Peter W. Stoner In this revised edition of Science Speaks Professor Stoner examines the findings of science and the Genesis account of creation. He considers the day by day order of creation and shows the accuracy of Moses' record. The well-accepted principle of probability is applied to Bible prophecy. A fascinating discussion centers around Ezekiel's prophecy concerning Tyre, Micah's predictions about Samaria, and Jeremiah's utterances dealing with Moab, Ammon and Babylon. Attention is given to Old Testament prophecy which finds fulfillment in the life and ministry of Jesus Christ. The attack by critics of the Bible has often come in the name of science. Faith has been threatened because the Bible has been thought to be in serious error. Today, through the efforts of Christian scientists, items of conflict between science and the scriptures are being harmonized. The evidence continues to accumulate in favor of the Bible as the product of Divine intelligence. Science Speaks is an enlightening comparison of Biblical truth and the established scientific data FOREWORD The manuscript for Science Speaks has been carefully reviewed by a committee of the American Scientific Affiliation members and by the Executive Council of the same group and has been found, in general, to be dependable and accurate in regard to the scientific material presented. The mathematical analysis included is based upon principles of probability which are thoroughly sound and Professor Stoner has applied these principles in a proper and convincing way. American Scientific Affiliation H. HAROLD HARTZLER, Ph.D. Secretary-Treasurer Goshen College, Ind. PREFACE A generation ago (that is, a "generation" before Science Speaks was originally published, in 1952, by Van Kampen Press - Editor) there were dire discrepancies between Genesis 1 and the findings of science, and especially was this true of astronomy. The attack of the critic came primarily through the sciences, and the faith of many young people was wrecked because they thought the Bible was in serious error and therefore could no longer be trusted. Since that time, tremendous advances in the sciences have taken place. One by one the items of conflict between science and the Genesis account were harmonized. Today the last serious point of conflict between the Scriptures and science has not only been harmonized, but the findings of science stand ready to supply tremendous evidence that the Bible could not possibly have been written representing the education and culture of that day. Today, if our young people are properly taught in the churches, there is no possible excuse for losing their faith in college, for everything that they study in the physical sciences will speak of the unerring truth of the bible. If they will stop to consider, it will prove to them that God alone could have been the Author of the Bible. It is the purpose of this book to lay side by side the findings of the physical sciences and the statements of the Scriptures, so that anyone may observe their miraculous agreement. In setting up these relations, the scriptural statements have been taken exactly as they are given, neither adding to nor subtracting from them. No scriptural statement has been taken out of its context. No wild scientific theory has been introduced to explain a scriptural account. Only the best modern scientific material has been used. This scientific material would be accepted in any college science class. We might define science as "the result of the attempt of man to determine what God did in the creation and what laws He laid down." Science is ever advancing, and during the last few years there has been a tremendous acceleration. It is not the thought of the authors that this book is the final word on the correlation of the sciences and the Scriptures. They do believe that, as science advances still more, these correlations will be greatly improved and made still more positive. http://sciencespeaks...t/index.html#c0 Quote
betsy Posted November 16, 2012 Author Report Posted November 16, 2012 (edited) My gf is Catholic, but not the regular church-going type. I was raised Catholic but am not religious anymore and am more agnostic. I asked her if she wants our hypothetical future kids to be Catholic - she said yes. I said I don't. She said "what, you want them to be atheist?". I said "No, I'll let them choose whatever religion they want or not want". This almost started a fight LOL so we dropped the subject for now, to be continued... One this is certain, I won't be showing my future hypothetical kids this thread. So, you'll shower your hypothetical kids with books by Dawkins? If I were someone who thinks like you, and would really want my kids to choose whatever they want, I'd defintely show my kids this particular thread and show them how foolish this thread is by refuting each and every facts listed here. What happens if your kid happen to stumble on an old mapleleaf forum and saw this in the archive? I can see it now...the hypothetical conversation between father and son. Son: Hey Dad, take a look at this! Look at all the facts listed here. This looney is saying no one really refuted her listed facts! I kinda read....she seems to be right. Moonlight: Oh....that's baloney, son. It can't be true. That poster was grasping....she's a fanatic. The Bible is written by primitive dessert dwellers who had nothing better to do. Son: I know....but they did seem to get quite a few right. Weird. Moonlight: That's all gibberish, son. Son: She provided links to her sources....her sources looks credible. A lot of them comes from universities, and scientists. Moonlight: That's all nonsense, Son. Son: Okay....take a look at this fact she listed: The Bible and Science are into Agreement. Moonlight: That's not true, son. Son: How is it not true? Explain it to me Dad. Why is it not true? Moonlight: Because it's not true. I know it's not true. Son: How do you know? Moonlight: because....I know. And I'm telling you. Son: Don't tell me. Explain it to me! Moonlight: I'm your Dad. I'm telling you....you got to believe me, not some moronic fanatic who trolled Mapleleaf! Son: How do you know she was a troll? Moonlight: Because she wrote stuff that I don't agree with! That's a troll! Never believe a troll, son! Son: Let me get this straight.....you don't agree with her but you can't prove to me why you're right and she's wrong? Moonlight: Go talk to your mother! I'm busy! --------------------------------------------------- Well....you're the dad. You have the right to teach your kid whatever you think is right - though not necessarily true. Edited November 16, 2012 by betsy Quote
Sleipnir Posted November 16, 2012 Report Posted November 16, 2012 Your discussion is interesting, but please, let's get back on topic. Here is the latest listed fact, in case you've overlooked it. Evidences in favor of the Bible are starting to pile up. No one cares for that mundane topic, especially if you keep re-posting the same thing over and over again. Quote "All you need in this life is ignorance and confidence; then success is sure." - Mark Twain
Sleipnir Posted November 16, 2012 Report Posted November 16, 2012 A very close friend of mine is a lesbian and is getting married next year. However, her fiancé's parents are Catholic and refuse to come to the wedding, in keeping with advice of their pastor. WHERE CAN I SIGN MY KIDS UP FOR THIS AWESOME RELIGION OH BOY!! LOL.....this variant of Catholicism is still Catholicism. Quote "All you need in this life is ignorance and confidence; then success is sure." - Mark Twain
Mighty AC Posted November 16, 2012 Report Posted November 16, 2012 A very close friend of mine is a lesbian and is getting married next year. However, her fiancé's parents are Catholic and refuse to come to the wedding, in keeping with advice of their pastor. WHERE CAN I SIGN MY KIDS UP FOR THIS AWESOME RELIGION OH BOY!! Wow, it's too bad that a pastor would encourage the breakup of a family. What an ass! Quote "Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire
Mighty AC Posted November 16, 2012 Report Posted November 16, 2012 I have no idea why people would be skeptical about a story like this? ~~~ Quote "Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire
betsy Posted November 17, 2012 Author Report Posted November 17, 2012 (edited) Mighty AC and Sleipnir, I've already made a polite request for you guys to get back on topic. If you want to pursue your discussion, create your own thread. Sleipnir:No one cares for that mundane topic, especially if you keep re-posting the same thing over and over again. I don't care what you think of my topic. You go elsewhere if you don't like it - I'm not twisting your arms to read it. By deliberately and wilfully ignoring my request to stick to the topic, you are deliberately and wilfully ignoring the rules of this forum. Edited November 17, 2012 by betsy Quote
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