Prime Minister Jack Layton

[ninjandrew]

We have immigrants from Nordic coutries.

Nordic coutries have no immigrants from USA or Canada.

One thing I know is that its pretty much impossible to get into most of those countries. As a forester Id love to move to somewhere in Scandinavia for a while, but I cant...

[Handsome Rob]

Oh ya and Canadians don't mind paying 1.30/L to help subsidize their outragous profits.

And so what if those oil companies went bankrupt.Its not worth paying billions in subsidies for a handfull of jobs.Theres a name for that.Its called corporate welfare.

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Well before the Gov takes their cut, it's $.89/litre around here. The Yanks 30 Km away are paying $1.05/litre taxes in, so I don't think we're getting ripped off that much more.

Course there was a class action down there against petrol retailers near the border for price fixing, because us Canadian suckers were more than happy to pay it which I often do.

[Handsome Rob]

The NDP would not use those taxes to improve the standard of living for most Canadians. They would use them to give more to the lazy bastards who feel the government should support them.

Yeah, Tommy Douglas sure was sending those dollars to those lazy bastards with broken feet. The NDP have played a role in many benefits we as Canadians enjoy.

I don't support the NDP (Much), but I'm thankful they exist and respect them. I think a large part of the NDP bashing comes not from platform policies but from the types of people that support them. Like the ones that give unions a universal bad name.

[Handsome Rob]

Right here and right now Alberta is the economic engine of Canada, creating jobs and gobs of tax revenue. Jack Layton would cut the guts out of that reality in a heartbeat, because he could as PM. He'd be a disaster as leader, and he'd have to pay a heavy, heavy price to Duceppe as well. No thanks.

Didn't Trudeau try, and fail?

[blueblood]

On what grounds do you say we have a better standard of living? Nordic countries are regularly ranked at the top of the world on measures such as the UN's Human Development Index and the Legatum Propsperity Index. And there is much to suggest that they are excellent places for entrepreneurship.

In canada a person has more opportunity to get rich. In nordic countries its more of a hold your hand koombaya situation.

In north america, its as nice a place to live as you want it to be. Over there, everybody is the same. What works over there wouldn't work here because of the W.I.I.F.M principle and that we are more independant here.

[wyly]

On what grounds do you say we have a better standard of living? Nordic countries are regularly ranked at the top of the world on measures such as the UN's Human Development Index and the Legatum Propsperity Index. And there is much to suggest that they are excellent places for entrepreneurship.

the right wing myth socialist european countries are poor ...

[wyly]

We have immigrants from Nordic coutries.

Nordic coutries have no immigrants from USA or Canada.

I guess all those canadians I've met living in europe were lying to me really saipan some of the crap you post is hilarious...

[Scotty]

I'll be honest, I would really love to see Jack Layton become Prime Minister, but I'm afraid he doesn't have enough time left. If Labour parties can gain power in the UK, there's no reason the NDP couldn't actually hold power here. It's probably more than a decade away though.

Maybe if the NDP ever grows up and out of it's nineteen fifties class warfare mentality and starts looking to represent all Canadians instead of just the 'special' ones. But that's not going to happen under the current mob.

[blueblood]

the right wing myth socialist european countries are poor ...

Just like the left wing myth that capitalist north american countries are poor.

[Evening Star]

When has any leftist said that our countries are poor per se, as opposed to commenting on issues of distribution, fairness, or stability?

[Scotty]

Oh ya and Canadians don't mind paying 1.30/L to help subsidize their outragous profits.

And so what if those oil companies went bankrupt.Its not worth paying billions in subsidies for a handfull of jobs.Theres a name for that.Its called corporate welfare.

WWWTT

Do you actually think the price of gas and oil would go DOWN under an NDP government? With all the environmental fines and levees the NDP would put on them, and the taxes they'd put on oil to "encourage environmentalism" you'd be paying twice as much. The price of gas is much higher in Europe, and they're all labour or socialist governments.

[blueblood]

When has any leftist said that our countries are poor per se, as opposed to commenting on issues of distribution, fairness, or stability?

When they flaunt their scandinavia card and say how we should be like thwm and if we do everything will be hunky dory.

[Scotty]

Is anybody with me in that higher taxes isnt necessarily a bad thing, so long as we get something out of it? Scandinavian countries have some of the highest taxes in the world, but also some of the highest standards of living, quality of life and distribution of wealth.

If they're applied intelligently. The thing is, those countries were all pretty much homogenous and middle class to begin with. They've had moderately sensible socialist policies for a few decades and done fairly well, in most cases, by that.

But the NDP is still into the class warfare anti-establishment, anti-business, anti-capitalism mindset which sees middle class white people as the enemy of all the poor and downtrodden. First thing they'd do is raise taxes on corporations and the rich (rich being anyone making more than minimum wage). Then they'd put mandatory hiring quotas in place for all businesses forcing them to hire and promote women and minorities. They'd funnel tens of billions to native reserves, and double immigration.

[Moonlight Graham]

I wouldn't mind seeing the NDP and Layton as the leaders of the opposition.

It would interesting to at least give them a shot. Can't be much worse than Iggy and co.

[WWWTT]

Maybe if the NDP ever grows up and out of it's nineteen fifties class warfare mentality and starts looking to represent all Canadians instead of just the 'special' ones. But that's not going to happen under the current mob.

And Harper does?

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[Evening Star]

When they flaunt their scandinavia card and say how we should be like thwm and if we do everything will be hunky dory.

That argument is usually not made on the grounds that Canada or the US are poor countries though.

[WWWTT]

Do you actually think the price of gas and oil would go DOWN under an NDP government? With all the environmental fines and levees the NDP would put on them, and the taxes they'd put on oil to "encourage environmentalism" you'd be paying twice as much. The price of gas is much higher in Europe, and they're all labour or socialist governments.

First of all if the oil companies started to raise the prices unfairly(like now)then the NDP would say hey guys looks like your doing well enough.So starting tomorrow your CEO's will be paying 80% more in taxes,and then watch the prices come down overnight.

Thats what happens when you are not dependant on corporation donations to help you get in power.

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[WWWTT]

If they're applied intelligently. The thing is, those countries were all pretty much homogenous and middle class to begin with. They've had moderately sensible socialist policies for a few decades and done fairly well, in most cases, by that.

But the NDP is still into the class warfare anti-establishment, anti-business, anti-capitalism mindset which sees middle class white people as the enemy of all the poor and downtrodden. First thing they'd do is raise taxes on corporations and the rich (rich being anyone making more than minimum wage). Then they'd put mandatory hiring quotas in place for all businesses forcing them to hire and promote women and minorities. They'd funnel tens of billions to native reserves, and double immigration.

Wow thats quite the open interpretation of the NDP.

A person with your creativity should be writing science fiction novels and doing advertisement writing for the conservative party.

Your wasting your talent here buddy.

Time to move on to bigger and better things

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[WWWTT]

You are mopre gracious than me...I give you a minus 100 for claiming that Ontario received tranfer payments in the 90s

I thought I claimed that our transfer payments were slashed

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[Scotty]

First of all if the oil companies started to raise the prices unfairly(like now)then the NDP would say hey guys looks like your doing well enough.So starting tomorrow your CEO's will be paying 80% more in taxes,and then watch the prices come down overnight.

Thats what happens when you are not dependant on corporation donations to help you get in power.

WWWTT

Funny how that hasn't happened ANYWHERE on the planet, eh? Fact is the price of gas is pretty much the same throughout the West. But taxes on the gas vary wildly, and are far higher in Europe than here. Thus the price of gas is much higher there than here.

[WWWTT]

Funny how that hasn't happened ANYWHERE on the planet, eh? Fact is the price of gas is pretty much the same throughout the West. But taxes on the gas vary wildly, and are far higher in Europe than here. Thus the price of gas is much higher there than here.

Oh really?

Is that why a BMO report released yesterday claimed that Canadians pay 20% more for the same products as in the US.

And how much of the price of gas actually goes to the corporations as profit?

Its really hard to tell when the price freakin jumps up and down on a freakin dime(mostly up).

Good thing Harper lowered the GST on gas.More profit for the oil companies.

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[Handsome Rob]

Oh really?

Is that why a BMO report released yesterday claimed that Canadians pay 20% more for the same products as in the US.

And how much of the price of gas actually goes to the corporations as profit?

Its really hard to tell when the price freakin jumps up and down on a freakin dime(mostly up).

Good thing Harper lowered the GST on gas.More profit for the oil companies.

WWWTT

I already posted in this thread, on $1.30/l, in BC, $.89/l is revenue. How much of that is profit is anybody's guess. I don't entirely believe this image, but the margins can't be that great either.

[WWWTT]

I already posted in this thread, on $1.30/l, in BC, $.89/l is revenue. How much of that is profit is anybody's guess. I don't entirely believe this image, but the margins can't be that great either.

So that justifies giving these guys a corporate tax break,the lowest in the G7 or whatever or even more subsidies?

Did you address that issue?

What do these corporations and their upper management pay in taxes in these other alleged countries,could you explain that one for us too.

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[Scotty]

Oh really?

Is that why a BMO report released yesterday claimed that Canadians pay 20% more for the same products as in the US

Uhm, the US does not have a left wing government. Taxes are lower on gas there. Taxes are much higher on gas in places with left wing governments, ie, Europe. So how is it you think bringing in a left wing government would lower taxes?

Gasoline prices explained

[scouterjim]

Uhm, the US does not have a left wing government. Taxes are lower on gas there. Taxes are much higher on gas in places with left wing governments, ie, Europe. So how is it you think bringing in a left wing government would lower taxes?

Gasoline prices explained

Canada has a left wing government? Wow. when did Layton take over?