Saipan Posted April 13, 2011 Report Posted April 13, 2011 pot. Couple of joints or car trunk load? How many guns you need to hunt with? 1) What has need to do with it? 2) I may not hunt at all. Our pistol Olympic Gold medalist Linda Thom didn't hunt. Btw, it's illegal to hunt with handgun in Canada. Someone break into your pad they could start an army or sumtin. 1) One of the registration drawbacks. Too many peple have access to it. 2) It's actually easier to break to police storage [like it happen in Toront] lot more guns. 3) After Allan Rock disarmed store clerks one was wouded and one killed during robbery of Gagnon Sport store and number of guns ended up on the street market. We didn't have these problems in the past. Ah what is the gun you are trying to keep? Legally bought and registered in Canada. Quote
William Ashley Posted April 13, 2011 Author Report Posted April 13, 2011 (edited) Couple of joints or car trunk load? I think it was an ounce but for personal use if I recall correctly. An ounce isn't necisarily a lot depending on the person. 1) What has need to do with it? Why make the world a more dangerous place without a need? Can I dump some gasoline on your law for you and leave a pack of matches with the neighbour hood kids playing out front? 2) I may not hunt at all. Our pistol Olympic Gold medalist Linda Thom didn't hunt. Btw, it's illegal to hunt with handgun in Canada. 1) One of the registration drawbacks. Too many peple have access to it. 2) It's actually easier to break to police storage [like it happen in Toront] lot more guns. 3) After Allan Rock disarmed store clerks one was wouded and one killed during robbery of Gagnon Sport store and number of guns ended up on the street market. We didn't have these problems in the past. Really? I think you might be joshin'. Legally bought and registered in Canada. Ok so why did it take you 15 years to grandfather it? Edited April 13, 2011 by William Ashley Quote I was here.
Saipan Posted April 13, 2011 Report Posted April 13, 2011 Why don't you just store your machine guns Machine gun (while illegal) was used in crime in recent Canadian history just three times. In all three cases by government employees using government guns. Quote
Saipan Posted April 13, 2011 Report Posted April 13, 2011 I think it was an ounce but for personal use if I recall correctly. An ounce isn't necisarily a lot depending on the person. "Really? I think you might be joshin'." Why make the world a more dangerous place without a need? I agree, again. It's the reason we need CRIME CONTROL. And we will now get it - finally. Can I dump some gasoline on your law for you and leave a pack of matches with the neighbour hood kids playing out front? Why do you want that? Most kids get killed in cars. Is your car locked in a garage with gas locked separately and steering wheel locked? Btw, insurance companies determined you're hundred time more dangerous with one car than I am with all firearms. And you know they are in it for the money, so good knowlege of the statistics is essential.. Ok so why did it take you 15 years to grandfather it? Very good question. I don't issue licences. CFC does. I own some of them much longer than that REGISTERED. But given wrong licence by error, THREE times. Why do you think the Einsteins would issue a registration certificate (costly to taxpayers) for a soldering gun? http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/publications/SolderingGunRegistrationCertificate.pdf Quote
guyser Posted April 13, 2011 Report Posted April 13, 2011 They are not legal here, i.e. you can't buy them even in the USA - legally that is. Not that anyone but Mafia, Jamaican Posses etc, are looking for them. So your rhetoric fell flat on it's nose again. Cue the ... One can own a machine gun in some states. Can even transfer them. How are you consistently wrong on gun laws ? Quote
Saipan Posted April 13, 2011 Report Posted April 13, 2011 One can own a machine gun in some states. Can even transfer them. As I said: you can't buy them, even in the USA. "How are you consistently wrong on gun laws ?" Quote
Michael Hardner Posted April 13, 2011 Report Posted April 13, 2011 Thank you, I was sure it was bogus. First political forum I've been on where you didn't need to back up your claims. No... you don't have to back them up, but if they're challenged you look bad if you don't at least provide something. Those posters stand out from the herd, and not in a good way. Even worse is when you don't back them up and somebody comes back with a cite that toasts you. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
Michael Hardner Posted April 13, 2011 Report Posted April 13, 2011 Wiki - Crime in Canada So for 2006 we had "Drugs" at about 3.5% of criminal offenses to my count. Not anything close to "50% of arrests are for pot" as I have heard. If you see a reputable newspaper printing that, then you need to ask them where they got the information from. This seems to be legitimately from Stats Canada, unless I am missing something. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
dre Posted April 13, 2011 Report Posted April 13, 2011 Wiki - Crime in Canada So for 2006 we had "Drugs" at about 3.5% of criminal offenses to my count. Not anything close to "50% of arrests are for pot" as I have heard. If you see a reputable newspaper printing that, then you need to ask them where they got the information from. This seems to be legitimately from Stats Canada, unless I am missing something. Youre stats are probably right as far the actual rate of convictions. But those stats dont even begin to scratch the surface of the impact prohibition has on crime in our society. We have essentially taken a large, lucritive, and well established industry and barred honest, taxpaying, regulated businessmen from participating which puts massive revenue into the hands of criminals. I wouldnt be suprised if the statistics from the prohibition of alcohol showed the same thing... that statistically bootlegging and posession didnt make up a large portion of the total conviction rate either. The problem though is that the revenues generated by this policy for criminals became an engine that drove a whole myriad of other criminal activity... everything from prostitution, to extortion to gang warfare, etc etc. A good example of how prohibiting a substance that has established mainsteam demand can cause huge problems with other crimes is the situation in mexico. Prohibition resulted in folks down there on the supply side getting so much revenue that theyre better funded than the government and policy and now theres been more than 50 000 drug related murders in the last year alone. If any of those killers are caught and convicted they wont count as "drug offenses" either, but prohibition of drugs is still the engine driving the whole thing. So your stats are probably accurate but they only represent about 1% of the relevant data. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
guyser Posted April 13, 2011 Report Posted April 13, 2011 As I said: you can't buy them, even in the USA. "How are you consistently wrong on gun laws ?" Oh boy, how wrong do you like to be about guns? Yes you can buy them, yes you can transfer them and you even get them registered ...in the USA! Oh gosh , how abd is that !!! You dont know about guns do you? Quote
guyser Posted April 13, 2011 Report Posted April 13, 2011 (edited) "Yes a private individual may buy and legally own a full auto machine gun or suppressor in this country... It is a common misconception that machine guns cannot be owned by law-abiding citizens. This comes from the creation of a variety of confusing laws that have made purchasing a full-auto gun more difficult than purchasing a "normal" gun. But, if you can comply with the law, you may qualify to own a machine gun. " -Get your form 4 -Go see your CLEO -find a dealer -submit your fingerprints -pay your $200 ....and go fire the machine gun you bought. Wha...?...cant buy a machine gun? ...any other schooling you want today? and now back to the regularly scheduled post... Edited April 13, 2011 by guyser Quote
Saipan Posted April 14, 2011 Report Posted April 14, 2011 Yes you can buy them, yes you can transfer them and you even get them registered No, I can't. And you can't either. That would be illegal smuggling of prohibited guns. Quote
Saipan Posted April 14, 2011 Report Posted April 14, 2011 "Yes a private individual may buy and legally own a full auto machine gun or suppressor in this country... What country/state/province? Quote
eyeball Posted April 14, 2011 Report Posted April 14, 2011 Wiki - Crime in Canada So for 2006 we had "Drugs" at about 3.5% of criminal offenses to my count. Not anything close to "50% of arrests are for pot" as I have heard. If you see a reputable newspaper printing that, then you need to ask them where they got the information from. This seems to be legitimately from Stats Canada, unless I am missing something. I think the high percentages being quoted might stem from the idea that a lot of crime, perhaps up to 50%, is associated to issues surrounding the trade in drugs most of which is pot. Pot is also traded for other drugs and money needs to be laundered etc etc. While most violent crime can definitely be traced to alcohol via domestic violence, pot violence appears to be almost exclusively related to dealer disputes and gang turf wars etc. Guns and ammunition need to be smuggled and sold. Pot money probably provides funding for other criminal endeavours. Its really not hard to see how the prohibition of pot, of all drugs to be perfectly honest, has been a complete disaster. It's definitely been a boon to political parties however who need crime, or the fear of crime as a crutch to stay or get elected. It's a deadly cocktail of potent forces that is at work. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
William Ashley Posted April 14, 2011 Author Report Posted April 14, 2011 (edited) . Edited April 14, 2011 by William Ashley Quote I was here.
cybercoma Posted April 14, 2011 Report Posted April 14, 2011 Wiki - Crime in Canada So for 2006 we had "Drugs" at about 3.5% of criminal offenses to my count. Not anything close to "50% of arrests are for pot" as I have heard. If you see a reputable newspaper printing that, then you need to ask them where they got the information from. This seems to be legitimately from Stats Canada, unless I am missing something. I don't know whether or not 50% is the right number, but your statistics don't refute that. What you have shown is all criminal offenses. This doesn't mean that the people sitting in jail are divded along the same lines. You need to find the statistics of jail populations by offense. Quote
wyly Posted April 14, 2011 Report Posted April 14, 2011 I think the high percentages being quoted might stem from the idea that a lot of crime, perhaps up to 50%, is associated to issues surrounding the trade in drugs most of which is pot. Pot is also traded for other drugs and money needs to be laundered etc etc. While most violent crime can definitely be traced to alcohol via domestic violence, pot violence appears to be almost exclusively related to dealer disputes and gang turf wars etc. Guns and ammunition need to be smuggled and sold. Pot money probably provides funding for other criminal endeavours. Its really not hard to see how the prohibition of pot, of all drugs to be perfectly honest, has been a complete disaster. It's definitely been a boon to political parties however who need crime, or the fear of crime as a crutch to stay or get elected. It's a deadly cocktail of potent forces that is at work. not many if any people go to prison for simple posession any more...it's a stupid law, if everyone who ever used pot in canada were arrested the majority of us would be criminals...legalize the stuff get it under control, tax it and put the gangs out of work... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
Michael Hardner Posted April 14, 2011 Report Posted April 14, 2011 I don't know whether or not 50% is the right number, but your statistics don't refute that. What you have shown is all criminal offenses. This doesn't mean that the people sitting in jail are divded along the same lines. You need to find the statistics of jail populations by offense. How would 3.5 percent of offenses come to occupy 50 percent of jail spaces ? Also note that the 3.5 percent is for all drugs, not only marijuana. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
cybercoma Posted April 14, 2011 Report Posted April 14, 2011 How would 3.5 percent of offenses come to occupy 50 percent of jail spaces ? Also note that the 3.5 percent is for all drugs, not only marijuana. Higher conviction rates and longer sentencing than other crimes? I'm not saying 50% is right. All I'm saying is your numbers don't indicate the prison population. Quote
William Ashley Posted April 14, 2011 Author Report Posted April 14, 2011 Higher conviction rates and longer sentencing than other crimes? I'm not saying 50% is right. All I'm saying is your numbers don't indicate the prison population. The prison pop is around 40000 people. Quote I was here.
William Ashley Posted April 14, 2011 Author Report Posted April 14, 2011 (edited) Higher conviction rates and longer sentencing than other crimes? I'm not saying 50% is right. All I'm saying is your numbers don't indicate the prison population. The prison pop is around 40000 people. Meanwhile about 6 million Canadians are active users of Marijuana and over 50% support decriminization. There are about 40000 marijuana arrests each year and over 1 million Canadians have criminal records for marijuana related arrests. One site states "600,000: The estimated number of Canadians who have criminal records for marijuana possession, according to the Justice Canada. " That is possession... Canada is also the #1 user of pot in the industrialized world. even outranking Netherlands - a country where pot is legal. Apparently it may be illegal to legalize pot "1961: The year the United Nations made it a violation of international law to legalize marijuana. " http://loopylettuce.wordpress.com/2009/10/05/major-roadblock-for-pot-legalization-un-single-convention/ Edited April 14, 2011 by William Ashley Quote I was here.
cybercoma Posted April 14, 2011 Report Posted April 14, 2011 The prison pop is around 40000 people. You know what I mean: the number of people in prison on drug charges. Quote
William Ashley Posted April 14, 2011 Author Report Posted April 14, 2011 (edited) You know what I mean: the number of people in prison on drug charges. The prison pop is around 40,000 I can't say how many are related to drugs. In terms of drug use in Prisons here is one statistic but it is dated In an inmate survey carried out by the CorrectionalService of Canada (CSC) in 1995, 40 percent of 4285 federal inmates self-reported having used drugs since arriving at their current institution. I'm not sure if there are similarities between Canada and US on this front but here is one link on the US side of things: http://www.angelfire.com/rnb/y/majority.htm Homemade drugs are rampant in federal facilities in the US as far as I'm aware, in Canada people expect deliveries. Many of the sort that go to jail say that 2% of the pop are not virgin to drug use before they go to jail. When people are arrested they are asked a list of questions including those related to drug use. It would be interesting to see how many self identify as having used drugs compared to those who do not. You have no obligation to answer police questions... however you are deemed uncooperative if you are not. Police don't like uncooperative people too much. (then again people may not like being busted and framed by police) http://www.parl.gc.ca/37/1/parlbus/commbus/senate/com-e/ille-e/library-e/collin-e.htm Edited April 14, 2011 by William Ashley Quote I was here.
Bonam Posted April 14, 2011 Report Posted April 14, 2011 The prison pop is around 40,000 I can't say how many are related to drugs. And yet before you claimed that half the people in prisons are there because of marijuana charges. How many of the claims in your posts are just randomly made up, like that one? Are you sure you aren't enjoying the effects of this substance while writing these posts? To others: if William Ashley is an example of what happens to people who do pot, I'd say we'd do well to work on keeping the number of people who do it in our society to a minimum. The best way to do that though is not necessarily criminalization. Decriminalize, put big taxes on it, and put graphic warnings on it like they do on tobacco products. Smoking is becoming less and less prevalent over time using this strategy even though it remains legal, and reducing drug use using the same strategy would likely also be more successful than the current approach. Quote
William Ashley Posted April 14, 2011 Author Report Posted April 14, 2011 (edited) And yet before you claimed that half the people in prisons are there because of marijuana charges. How many of the claims in your posts are just randomly made up, like that one? Are you sure you aren't enjoying the effects of this substance while writing these posts? To others: if William Ashley is an example of what happens to people who do pot, I'd say we'd do well to work on keeping the number of people who do it in our society to a minimum. The best way to do that though is not necessarily criminalization. Decriminalize, put big taxes on it, and put graphic warnings on it like they do on tobacco products. Smoking is becoming less and less prevalent over time using this strategy even though it remains legal, and reducing drug use using the same strategy would likely also be more successful than the current approach. The 50% is quoting David Suzuki FROM THE CBC.... http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CB4QFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbc.ca%2Fdocumentaries%2Fdoczone%2F2010%2Fcannabiz%2Ffactsheet.html&ei=TYamTdcoxeLSAdG62f4I&usg=AFQjCNHItaJeN5NdInI3S5vTguVdbNYrJQ&sig2=sE3rQDHY6CNmbT62rgEO2Q the actual quote I've lost the link for but if I find it again I'll be sure to share -- this wasn't just pulled out of my bunghole. Edited April 14, 2011 by William Ashley Quote I was here.
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