Wilber Posted August 29, 2012 Report Posted August 29, 2012 We look out our kitchen and living room windows directly across the valley at Mt. Baker. Another kitchen window and our breakfast nook looks up the valley at more mountains. As for culture, the first game of lingerie football was played at the entertainment center last weekend. Couldn't make it but the reviews were good and they say the football wasn't bad either. We are taking a couple of the grandkids to see Le Cirque tomorrow at the same place. Not a bad place to live. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
The_Squid Posted August 30, 2012 Report Posted August 30, 2012 We look out our kitchen and living room windows directly across the valley at Mt. Baker. Another kitchen window and our breakfast nook looks up the valley at more mountains. As for culture, the first game of lingerie football was played at the entertainment center last weekend. Couldn't make it but the reviews were good and they say the football wasn't bad either. We are taking a couple of the grandkids to see Le Cirque tomorrow at the same place. Not a bad place to live. No offense to you, but Abbotsford would not make my top 50 of "nicest places" or favorite cities. The crime rate is bad and the people are very unfriendly. And don't get me started on the bible thumpers! Do you commute to Vancouver? Another problem with Abbotsford is the sprawl factor..... Quote
wyly Posted August 30, 2012 Report Posted August 30, 2012 I lived in Grande Cache for a year, it's on the doorstep of the willmore wilderness park, in the heart of the rockies without all the tourist amenities willmore novelty of being surrounded by mountains wore off after a week... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
wyly Posted August 30, 2012 Report Posted August 30, 2012 Calgary is a nice looking city, the downtown core looks great and is quite clean compared to places like Ottawa or Toronto. A good deal of the skyscrapers there are fairly new. I had spent some time in Calgary a couple years ago, and was quite impressed. nothing I haven't seen elsewhere...spend two days in calgary and you've seen everything there is to see...If you love Japanese/Korean/Chinese dishes, then Vancouver is definitely a must. all of which i can get in calgary as well...so not really an attraction...Those mountains don't loose appeal to me. Driving through the rockies last week was quite amazing. Anyone who gets bored of that kind of scenery might be a little dead inside. Two places that really got my attention were Kamloops and Revelstoke... oh one more .. Golden.mountains all look the same after awhile...revelstoke is nice never stayed long though, I found Kamloops to congested...Penticton, Oliver area was more to my liking... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
guyser Posted August 30, 2012 Report Posted August 30, 2012 (edited) If you love Japanese/Korean/Chinese dishes, then Vancouver is definitely a must all of which i can get in calgary as well...so not really an attraction... When you get a palate let us know because you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. The fish at the Raw bar , oysters for one....seafood that hasnt stopped wiggling yet mere minutes from being pulled out of the sea....that is Vancouver. Calgary is a long way from the sea. I imagine there is fine beef joints in Calgary, no question. But in the links attached, out of 50 of the best , 1, one , uno is in Calgary. The 2nd link none, but a couple in Banff. Vancouver? 11 of 50, TO and surrounding area 13. All of Alberta....1. http://vacay.ca/2012/04/top-50-restaurants-in-canada-2012-vijs-is-no-1/ http://www.businessreviewcanada.ca/top_ten/top-10-business/top-10-canadian-restaurants-of-2012 Sure one can get the food in Calgary , same as one can get coffee at any vending machine in a hockey arena. But one cannot get the same . Edited August 30, 2012 by guyser Quote
Wilber Posted August 30, 2012 Report Posted August 30, 2012 (edited) No offense to you, but Abbotsford would not make my top 50 of "nicest places" or favorite cities. The crime rate is bad and the people are very unfriendly. And don't get me started on the bible thumpers! Do you commute to Vancouver? Another problem with Abbotsford is the sprawl factor..... I'm not offended, mainly because I don't care where it comes on someone else's list. I just said it isn't a bad place to live and gave a couple of reasons why. To address some of your comments. I haven't noticed people here to be any more or less friendly than other cities in this area and possibly more friendly than North Delta where I moved from. The crime rate has dropped drastically in the past few years, particularly if you separate Mission from Abbotsford. I could never figure out why they lump them together, separate cities on opposite sides of the river with different police forces. According to Stats Canada's Crime Severity Index which tracks serious crimes, out of Canadian cities over 10,000 population, in 2011 Abbotsford was 113th in violent crime and 95th in overall crime. It has a lower crime rate than its surrounding communities, lower than the provincial average, one point higher than the national average and lower than places like Kelowna. A lot has been done by the community and the police force since the bad old days. Mostly, making the place very unfriendly to gangs. Bible Thumpers. Lots of churches in Abbotsford and lots of people who go to them but I have never been subjected to any bible thumping since we moved here. Lots of people go to church on Sunday but we go out for breakfast with two other couples. No I don't commute to Vancouver and wouldn't have moved here if I did. Abbotsford has reached a size where most residents don't commute to Vancouver any more. I would say few commute north of the river any more unless it is to Mission or Coquitlam. There is a sprawl factor but that is true of most of the valley. Planning could be better but growth has been rapid. Since we moved here in 89 the population has increased by about 50%. PS. We also have the best airshow in Canada and one of the best in North America Edited August 30, 2012 by Wilber Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Smallc Posted August 30, 2012 Report Posted August 30, 2012 When you get a palate let us know because you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. No kidding. There is absolutely no comparison. It's like how lobster and mussels in Nova Scotia taste amazing....and don't taste so Amazing after being packaged and shipped to Manitoba....you're right about beef on the prairies though. Quote
wyly Posted August 30, 2012 Report Posted August 30, 2012 (edited) When you get a palate let us know because you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. The fish at the Raw bar , oysters for one....seafood that hasnt stopped wiggling yet mere minutes from being pulled out of the sea....that is Vancouver. Calgary is a long way from the sea. what bullshitte...from your own top 50 list the top sushi spots are in toronto ya like toronto is near the sea ...here's another tip for ya, sushi in Ontario is frozen before being eaten to kill parasites, it makes no difference to taste apparently as Ontario sushi restaurants are rated higher than Vancouver's...from your list 11. Sushi Kaji, Toronto 18. Guu Izakaya, the first seafood restuarant from vancouver is listed at 42nd!, what! how is that possible? best seafood I've ever eaten was a tiny Latino cafe in calgary far better than any I've had in vancouver I imagine there is fine beef joints in Calgary, no question.But in the links attached, out of 50 of the best , 1, one , uno is in Calgary. The 2nd link none, but a couple in Banff. Vancouver? 11 of 50, TO and surrounding area 13. All of Alberta....1. Sure one can get the food in Calgary , same as one can get coffee at any vending machine in a hockey arena. But one cannot get the same . you're a shallow food snob, those lists are totally subject and promoted...all too often(nearly 100% of the time) I've been disappointed by over hyped and promoted by "food critics" pompous self proclaimed experts...Calgary beef restaurants are no better than anywhere else again you've got this shallow concept "alberta has cows so it must be best at that" that's total crap....best meal I've had in the last 10 years was in an obscure mom n' pop greek restaurant in penticton, simple food done very very well... Edited August 30, 2012 by wyly Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
Wilber Posted August 30, 2012 Report Posted August 30, 2012 According to Liam Neeson there is a great sushi joint in Smithers. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
wyly Posted August 30, 2012 Report Posted August 30, 2012 According to Liam Neeson there is a great sushi joint in Smithers. and he could be right but what pretentious food snob or critic from Toronto or Vancouver is going to go there to try it? none, smithers isn't cool enough...I've had great sushi(Globe Fish) in calgary equal if not better to any I've had in vancouver...best Thai food I've ever had was in Saskatoon, the worst was in vancouver...and it's all subjective...I went to cafe/greasy spoon in calgary last week that was rated highly, stood in line for a 30 minutes in the rain waiting to get in, people ahead of us raving how great it was and well worth the wait...grossly overrated not worth any length of wait to get in IMO... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
wyly Posted August 30, 2012 Report Posted August 30, 2012 No kidding. There is absolutely no comparison. It's like how lobster and mussels in Nova Scotia taste amazing....and don't taste so Amazing after being packaged and shipped to Manitoba....you're right about beef on the prairies though. :lol: get out of hooterville and into the big city...I can buy lobster and mussels live and fresh at my local superstore and restaurants can also fly them in fresh and live in a 2hr flight they're as fresh as any on the coast ... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
Smallc Posted August 30, 2012 Report Posted August 30, 2012 :lol: get out of hooterville and into the big city...I can buy lobster and mussels live and fresh at my local superstore and restaurants can also fly them in fresh and live in a 2hr flight they're as fresh as any on the coast ... I've had them. They're not the same, even live (as most mussels are). Quote
wyly Posted August 30, 2012 Report Posted August 30, 2012 (edited) I've had them. They're not the same, even live (as most mussels are). here you are agreeing with guyser that seafood is only good if the restaurant is beside the sea, yet when guyser puts in link to canada's "top fifty" eateries where are the two highest rated seafood restaurants? Toronto ...the time required for seafood to go from the ocean to your plate is probably the same whether you live in Halifax or toronto or calgary, the difference lies with the person preparing the meal...the mussels and lobsters pulled out of the tank at superstore are the same those pulled from the ocean...a meal is only as good as the person who made it.. Edited August 30, 2012 by wyly Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
cybercoma Posted August 30, 2012 Report Posted August 30, 2012 .the mussels and lobsters pulled out of the tank at superstore are the same those pulled from the ocean... That's not at all true. I've lived in Ontario and I"ve lived in the Maritimes. The lobsters in the tanks in Ontario are lethargic after being kept nearly frozen in trucks and shipped. You walk into Superstore anywhere in the Maritimes and they're actually active, running around inside the tanks. Believe me. There's a big difference. You can walk into a dive of a restaurant and get top-notch seafood in the Maritimes. To get top-notch seafood in Ontario, you're paying top-dollar at a high-end restaurant. Quote
wyly Posted August 30, 2012 Report Posted August 30, 2012 (edited) That's not at all true. I've lived in Ontario and I"ve lived in the Maritimes. The lobsters in the tanks in Ontario are lethargic after being kept nearly frozen in trucks and shipped. You walk into Superstore anywhere in the Maritimes and they're actually active, running around inside the tanks. Believe me. There's a big difference. You can walk into a dive of a restaurant and get top-notch seafood in the Maritimes. To get top-notch seafood in Ontario, you're paying top-dollar at a high-end restaurant. sorry you must be wrong guyser posted a link to the top 50 eatries in canada Toronto has the top 2 seafood restaurants...okay that first part was sarcasm...but yeah you're still wrong...your memory of you think was best is biased by your beliefs that wide awake fish taste better than cold sleepy fish, the local superstore fish look quite happy to me...everyone always swears their moms make the best meals too, it's all in our heads...it's the person who prepares that matters, being a dive of a restaurant is not an indication as to the quality of the cook, I've eaten in many dives that served better food than high end restaurants... Edited August 30, 2012 by wyly Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
Wilber Posted August 31, 2012 Report Posted August 31, 2012 The Japanese certainly like them as close to wide awake as they can get. A Tofino fishing guide was telling me they often start slicing them up and partaking right on the spot. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Smallc Posted August 31, 2012 Report Posted August 31, 2012 wyly, you don't like things. We get it. Quote
guyser Posted August 31, 2012 Report Posted August 31, 2012 what bullshitte... Oh please, Calgary has one resto rated in that group, yet you maintain its the same. Good logic there ! The fact is, the plethora of better resto's in Van or TO proves your point wrong. That you had some fine meals elsewhere is no surprise, the best pasta Ive had is on HWY 11 south of North Bay, called Danni's. Best meal ever was at Bartlett Lodge , accessible only by boat in Algonquin Park. So I guess Whitney can claim the best restos? So, does that make that little burb 'as good as anywhere else' ? Uh no. But you can think that. you're a shallow food snob, those lists are totally subject and promoted... Guess you didnt read who did the rankings and how huh? Qu'elle surprise! I may be a shallow food snob, but I am certainly not dumb enough to post that Calgary is equal to Vancouver or Toronto in terms of restaurants. all too often(nearly 100% of the time) I've been disappointed by over hyped and promoted by "food critics" pompous self proclaimed experts...Calgary beef restaurants are no better than anywhere else again you've got this shallow concept "alberta has cows so it must be best at that" that's total crap....best meal I've had in the last 10 years was in an obscure mom n' pop greek restaurant in penticton, simple food done very very well... Everyone , including other critics may not see things the same way, but they understand that when they visit some days the chef may not be there, or other factors can come into play. Thats why reviewers will try again soon after to see changes improvements or a different chef. Quote
Bonam Posted August 31, 2012 Report Posted August 31, 2012 (edited) ya people get all impressed with mountains on the horizon but they're just big rocks I lived in Grande Cache for a year, it's on the doorstep of the willmore wilderness park, in the heart of the rockies without all the tourist amenities willmore novelty of being surrounded by mountains wore off after a week... mountains all look the same after awhile...revelstoke is nice never stayed long though, I found Kamloops to congested...Penticton, Oliver area was more to my liking... For someone always so fiercely arguing about the environment and the need to preserve it, you sure don't seem to have much appreciation for its natural beauty. And by the way, the advantage of living near to the mountains isn't the "novelty", but the fact that you can get out and do stuff on them, such as hiking, climbing, skiing, etc. Edited August 31, 2012 by Bonam Quote
Bonam Posted August 31, 2012 Report Posted August 31, 2012 :lol: get out of hooterville and into the big city...I can buy lobster and mussels live and fresh at my local superstore and restaurants can also fly them in fresh and live in a 2hr flight they're as fresh as any on the coast ... So what you're saying is that you can't tell the difference. That's fine. I know people who can't tell the difference between prepackaged superstore sushi and sushi made fresh at good sushi restaurants, either. Quote
wyly Posted August 31, 2012 Report Posted August 31, 2012 wyly, you don't like things. We get it. you get it? ...no you don't... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
wyly Posted August 31, 2012 Report Posted August 31, 2012 Oh please, Calgary has one resto rated in that group, yet you maintain its the same. Good logic there ! I was ridiculing your logic and link, it's absurd but you can't see it which is even more funny...The fact is, the plethora of better resto's in Van or TO proves your point wrong. That you had some fine meals elsewhere is no surprise, the best pasta Ive had is on HWY 11 south of North Bay, called Danni's. Best meal ever was at Bartlett Lodge , accessible only by boat in Algonquin Park. So I guess Whitney can claim the best restos? So, does that make that little burb 'as good as anywhere else' ? Uh no. But you can think that. Guess you didnt read who did the rankings and how huh? Qu'elle surprise!you still don't get it I may be a shallow food snob, but I am certainly not dumb enough to post that Calgary is equal to Vancouver or Toronto in terms of restaurants.and you know that how? because you read it a silly review,hey a review that says toronto has the best sea food even though it's a couple K's away from the nearest sea, which isn't possible according to you, but it says that right in your link ...the link you posted to back up your culinary expertise in regards to Canadian restaurants, it fact does just the opposite, eeew that's gotta hurt...all you have done is verify that the link and you are totally arbitrary and neither is an expert judge of restaurants... Everyone , including other critics may not see things the same way, but they understand that when they visit some days the chef may not be there, or other factors can come into play. Thats why reviewers will try again soon after to see changes improvements or a different chef.and that's why restaurants go out of business unsatisfied clients don't return, which is why successful chefs like gordon ramsey succeed they're consistent, unhappy clients ("oh sorry the chef isn't here today", say what!) are not an option. Critics return because they're covering their butts they need to do reviews constantly to justify their pay cheques... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
guyser Posted August 31, 2012 Report Posted August 31, 2012 (edited) I was ridiculing your logic and link, it's absurd but you can't see it which is even more funny... Not as funny as keeping the stupid canard that Calgary is a resto town. and you know that how? because you read it a silly review,hey a review that says toronto has the best sea food even though it's a couple K's away from the nearest sea, which isn't possible according to you, but it says that right in your link ...the link you posted to back up your culinary expertise in regards to Canadian restaurants, it fact does just the opposite, eeew that's gotta hurt...all you have done is verify that the link and you are totally arbitrary and neither is an expert judge of restaurants... Good lord you are thick arent you? The best may be a far way from the source, it means the Chef can do wonders. But when you count the number of good restaurants that serve a special type of food, seafood for instanc, by and far the better will be right near the source. So Van's got that one far above Calgary or TO for that matter. Its a silly review because the people who made it, including Chefs and culinary experts say what they feel, and being in the business, they would know, . But hey, your palate must exceed theirs. Good job, pomposity knows no bounds with you. and that's why restaurants go out of business unsatisfied clients don't return, which is why successful chefs like gordon ramsey succeed they're consistent, unhappy clients ("oh sorry the chef isn't here today", say what!) are not an option. Is water wet? Must you parade your ignorance bordering on stupidity for all to see? Chefs are off early in the week. They train the replacements as best they can, but quite often they do not perform as the head Chef does. Otherwise, they would be a Head Chef somewhere. It is not only an option but a fact that Chefs dont work 24-7. Critics return because they're covering their butts they need to do reviews constantly to justify their pay cheques... Obvious alert!!!! A restaurant reviewer does a review to justify their pay cheque. Gosh, someone doing their job to get paid. Brilliant, does anyone else know about this gem of wisdom from the Calgary restaurants are as good as Anywhere Sage? You do go on trying to justify your dumb comment that no one would dare back. The truth is, Calgary on the whole is a poor town for food. Always has been. Much much better than years ago. Edited August 31, 2012 by guyser Quote
cybercoma Posted August 31, 2012 Report Posted August 31, 2012 So what you're saying is that you can't tell the difference. That's fine. I know people who can't tell the difference between prepackaged superstore sushi and sushi made fresh at good sushi restaurants, either. Oh god... Superstore sushi.......... To be fair, Superstore sushi was my first sushi experience. It warmed me up to trying the real thing. Now I'm surprised it didn't turn me off of the whole experience entirely. Quote
guyser Posted August 31, 2012 Report Posted August 31, 2012 Oh god... Superstore sushi.......... To be fair, Superstore sushi was my first sushi experience. It warmed me up to trying the real thing. Now I'm surprised it didn't turn me off of the whole experience entirely. It shouldnt really. While I agree there is better out there, sushi in the supermarket (depending on when and where) is not that bad. It is made fresh everyday (at least where I see-supercentres, Metro et al) I love going to a sushi resto anytime I can, and the lure is all the other types to try, butterfish and the stuf not popular. Q of the day? What part of supermarket sushi is the danger? Quote
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