Michael Hardner Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 WSJ Blogs Among Republican primary voters, Mr. Romney captured the support of 21% in a broad, nine-candidate field. Mr. Trump was tied for second with former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, with 17%. I have always looked for metrics that can be used to signify the downfall of society. How about this: Highest poll rating for Candidate X Viewers of Candidate's Prime Time Show (in Millions) We have Fred Thompson who polled 16% in 2008, when his show Law & Order had 10 million viewers. That makes his downfall of society rating 160 points. Trump's at 17 % with 8 million viewers of his current show, giving a downfall rating of 136. [edited to add: correction 8.58 million which puts his rating closer to 145] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunsettommy Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 It is a weak field. Maybe that is why Trump is up that high? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pliny Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 WSJ Blogs I have always looked for metrics that can be used to signify the downfall of society. How about this: Highest poll rating for Candidate X Viewers of Candidate's Prime Time Show (in Millions) We have Fred Thompson who polled 16% in 2008, when his show Law & Order had 10 million viewers. That makes his downfall of society rating 160 points. Trump's at 17 % with 8 million viewers of his current show, giving a downfall rating of 136. [edited to add: correction 8.58 million which puts his rating closer to 145] So as zero is approached we get closer to complete chaos or the higher the rating the closer we get to downfall? Trump hasn't got much chance of success. Michelle Bachman probably has a better chance. Trump sounds too right wing conservative. I think America is looking for less government and more grass roots exceptionalism as opposed to stepping in line with Europe and the rest of the more socialistic world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 It's always entertaining to listen to Michael assert the end of civilization in regards to candidates or media he doesn't like, or doesn't agree with. It's a common theme with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted April 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 So as zero is approached we get closer to complete chaos or the higher the rating the closer we get to downfall? The higher the number the closer we get to chaos. A maximum number would be something around 5000 I imagine. Trump hasn't got much chance of success. Michelle Bachman probably has a better chance. Trump sounds too right wing conservative. I think America is looking for less government and more grass roots exceptionalism as opposed to stepping in line with Europe and the rest of the more socialistic world. But the hair - you're ignoring the hair factor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueblood Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 So as zero is approached we get closer to complete chaos or the higher the rating the closer we get to downfall? Trump hasn't got much chance of success. Michelle Bachman probably has a better chance. Trump sounds too right wing conservative. I think America is looking for less government and more grass roots exceptionalism as opposed to stepping in line with Europe and the rest of the more socialistic world. Hearing trump's ideas to boost the economy, he'd sound like a democrat. Protectionism for everybody!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRightWing Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 Anything is better then the Marxist slime in the White House right now. I say go Trump! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodyminded Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 Anything is better then the Marxist slime in the White House right now. I say go Trump! For a Marxist, he sure gets a lot of support from the Wall Street capitalists. Must have them all fooled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRightWing Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 (edited) For a Marxist, he sure gets a lot of support from the Wall Street capitalists. Must have them all fooled. How best to turn America into a socialist utopia, trick the capitalists into agreeing with you. By passes the whole violent revolution thing, for all his failings I don't think Obama is a murderer. Edited April 7, 2011 by TheRightWing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodyminded Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 How best to turn America into a socialist utopia, trick the capitalists into agreeing with you. Wow, the Marxist with his coterie of intellectuals--mostly successful capitalists--fooled the people who virtually run the country. They must be drooling morons, I guess. Simpleton knuckledraggers. His first Marxist directive has been to send more and more money up to the richest individuals, including, by definition, conservatives. Making sure that the status quo class order remains firmly in place, so that he can demolish it...by...some force, as yet untheorized. I enjoy these meaty conspiracy theories. They're incoherent, utterly, but fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRightWing Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 Wow, the Marxist with his coterie of intellectuals--mostly successful capitalists--fooled the people who virtually run the country. They must be drooling morons, I guess. Simpleton knuckledraggers. His first Marxist directive has been to send more and more money up to the richest individuals, including, by definition, conservatives. Making sure that the status quo class order remains firmly in place, so that he can demolish it...by...some force, as yet untheorized. I enjoy these meaty conspiracy theories. They're incoherent, utterly, but fun. Well, we're all pretty much insane aren't we, as a race I mean But yah know. Yeah I think he's a marxist at heart, he'll never get to implement his policies because of the "checks and balances" that we have here in the states, I'm not afraid of the over all conspiracy. At least I think he's a US citizen (not a birther) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodyminded Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 Well, we're all pretty much insane aren't we, as a race I mean But yah know. Yeah I think he's a marxist at heart, he'll never get to implement his policies because of the "checks and balances" that we have here in the states, I'm not afraid of the over all conspiracy. At least I think he's a US citizen (not a birther) Oh, I imagine he's a lot more to the left--personally--than his position will allow, yes. But he's no radical. He doesn't even believe in same sex marriage--a growing rarity for lefties. Unless he felt he needed to lie about that...but it would still alienate probably half the population, so I don't see the point of such a lie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRightWing Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 Oh, I imagine he's a lot more to the left--personally--than his position will allow, yes. But he's no radical. He doesn't even believe in same sex marriage--a growing rarity for lefties. Unless he felt he needed to lie about that...but it would still alienate probably half the population, so I don't see the point of such a lie. Well despite my name being "TheRightWing" i'm not a social Conservative, in that area I'm particularly Libertarian (I'm a Barry Goldwater Conservative, not a Sarah Palin Conservative)... and so his position on SSM is quite simple, political. I mean come on, his administration said they were no longer going to defend DOMA (Defense of Marriage Act, an act signed under Clinton btw that is a federal law that denies basically nationally SSM to same sex couples). He skirts the issue like most things. Look at his leadership on the whole Libya crisis, my grandmother would have had more of a position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pliny Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 Hearing trump's ideas to boost the economy, he'd sound like a democrat. Protectionism for everybody!!! Capitalists have an inclination to eliminate competition, when they get to be large corporations they tend to use government to give them a hand, when they become government they tend to be protectionist and still wish to eliminate competition. This means building empires and quashing opposition. Rockefeller and Joseph Kennedy are good examples. They both left their mark on government and ensured a place for their descendants there. A good reason capitalists should stay out of government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodyminded Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 Capitalists have an inclination to eliminate competition, when they get to be large corporations they tend to use government to give them a hand, when they become government they tend to be protectionist and still wish to eliminate competition. This means building empires and quashing opposition. Rockefeller and Joseph Kennedy are good examples. They both left their mark on government and ensured a place for their descendants there. A good reason capitalists should stay out of government. That ship has sailed. The fusion is quite total. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pliny Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 Well despite my name being "TheRightWing" i'm not a social Conservative, in that area I'm particularly Libertarian (I'm a Barry Goldwater Conservative, not a Sarah Palin Conservative)... and so his position on SSM is quite simple, political. I mean come on, his administration said they were no longer going to defend DOMA (Defense of Marriage Act, an act signed under Clinton btw that is a federal law that denies basically nationally SSM to same sex couples). He skirts the issue like most things. Look at his leadership on the whole Libya crisis, my grandmother would have had more of a position. Sarah Palin at least understands the necessity to move towards smaller government. She isn't a Ron Paul but she only needs a little economic understanding to be one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pliny Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 That ship has sailed. The fusion is quite total. So it seems. That's what the turmoil is all about. We need a separation of state from the economy. Perhaps an honest form of money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 For a Marxist, he sure gets a lot of support from the Wall Street capitalists. Must have them all fooled. Well, you're just making that up. If Trump is serious about addressing the fall of manufacturing in America by imposing tariffs on imports (primarily from China) to give some competitive advantage to domestic manufacturers, then he won't be getting widespread support from many businesses. For example, the largest retailers (Wal-Mart, Target, Costco, etc) would oppose him. That would also translate to opposition from those "Wall Street capitalists" who are primarily concerned with the bottom line of these companies. I also think nobody but yourself really knows who the "Wall Street capitalists" are, or what their degree of support for Trump is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodyminded Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 Sarah Palin at least understands the necessity to move towards smaller government. She isn't a Ron Paul but she only needs a little economic understanding to be one. Well, she also needs a little understanding in some other areas: for example, that when people disagree with you and criticize you, they aren't "trying to limit [your] freedom of speech." That's a pretty elementary bit of knowledge for a person with stated Presidential aspirations, in my view. Also, that this creature named "God" supported the Iraq War...that's a pretty dubious proposition, as well. Then there's Reality television...a pretty egregious sin, we can all agree, but it'll be forgotten soon anyway, fortunately. Aside from that, and a few dozen other matters, she's perfect! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodyminded Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 Well, you're just making that up. If Trump is serious about addressing the fall of manufacturing in America by imposing tariffs on imports (primarily from China) to give some competitive advantage to domestic manufacturers, then he won't be getting widespread support from many businesses. For example, the largest retailers (Wal-Mart, Target, Costco, etc) would oppose him. That would also translate to opposition from those "Wall Street capitalists" who are primarily concerned with the bottom line of these companies. I also think nobody but yourself really knows who the "Wall Street capitalists" are, or what their degree of support for Trump is. Really? Myself? And yet I didn't opine on the support, or lack thereof, of Wall Street for Donald Trump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 The only reason I like Trump is because of the poor alternatives. I like him because of the terrible context. Look at the other persons in the Republican and Democratic line-up: Barack Obama, Mike Huckabee, Sarah Palin, Mitt Romney, Tim Pawlenty, etc, etc.... It's a disastrous line-up. So far, anyways. What Trump running for President and having, so far, decent support tells me is how slim the pickings are with respect to decent (potential and declared) Presidential candidates. It's sad, but I think it's a depressing moment for Americans to look at their potential future leaders - hopefully some good challengers to Obama will arise in the not-too-distant future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 Really? Myself? And yet I didn't opine on the support, or lack thereof, of Wall Street for Donald Trump. Aren't these your own words? For a Marxist, he sure gets a lot of support from the Wall Street capitalists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodyminded Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 (edited) Aren't these your own words? For a Marxist, he sure gets a lot of support from the Wall Street capitalists. Those were my words, yes. With Trump nowhere to be found. Edited April 7, 2011 by bloodyminded Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 Those were my words, yes. With Trump nowhere to be found. My mistake. Somehow I missed that you were referencing Obama. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodyminded Posted April 7, 2011 Report Share Posted April 7, 2011 My mistake. Somehow I missed that you were referencing Obama. No worries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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