WWWTT Posted March 28, 2011 Report Posted March 28, 2011 (edited) Someone here reminded me of something very important. And thats the real issues that matter to Canadians. At the end of the day we all still have to pay taxes,go to work,interact with our collueges,take care of our health and children,people we care about and after it all maybe sneak in a little relaxation time. How does a coalition government or contempt of parliament really help me or the people I care about in any of these matters? Or are these problems related but somehow their involvment so complex it eludes me at this time? Or is this a diversion from the real issues that matter to me that can help me when I visit my father in the hospital.Or try re-unite with my wife from China?Or when I pay my property taxes,which by the way are getting higher every freakin year,must now be done in 6 installments and every year the city wants their cut earlier and earlier(at this rate I will be paying my 2014 taxes in 2012). Lets get back to things that matter to at least some of us that want to see a realistic improvement to pass on to the next generations. WWWTT Edited March 28, 2011 by WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
punked Posted March 28, 2011 Report Posted March 28, 2011 (edited) The problem really is the Liberals and Conservatives are the same so they have to argue about the smallest of differences. Edited March 28, 2011 by Charles Anthony deleted re-copied Opening Post Quote
WWWTT Posted March 28, 2011 Author Report Posted March 28, 2011 The problem really is the Liberals and Conservatives are the same so they have to argue about the smallest of differences. So lets vote NDP Oh and by the way the only thing seperating Canada and the USA is the Bloq and the NDP.Take those away and you have Uncle Sam right here in your back yard.Blech no thanks! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
WWWTT Posted March 28, 2011 Author Report Posted March 28, 2011 One issue I hear only Layton mention that relates to me is the waiting times for immigration cases. If there are any other MP's discussing this issue that others here are aware of please let me know,thanks. There are people who have waited for over five years to be re-united with family members from China.The waiting times for relatives from other countries can be as little as one year.However the requirements and the fees are completely the same. Now if this was a privately handled matter there would be all kinds of issues related to fees paid for services not bein rendered. But the government feels that they can charge whatever fee is appropriate and provide the service whenever it likes. Does the government feel it is above the law and treat its citizens as second class with less rights? WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
Saipan Posted March 28, 2011 Report Posted March 28, 2011 So lets vote NDP Most Canadians are more intelligent than that. Quote
Saipan Posted March 28, 2011 Report Posted March 28, 2011 Does the government feel it is above the law and treat its citizens as second class with less rights? Liberals government does. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted March 28, 2011 Report Posted March 28, 2011 WWWTT... We should look into immigration backlogs... Good issue. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
wyly Posted March 28, 2011 Report Posted March 28, 2011 the contempt the conservatives have for parliament/democracy is obvious and a cbc poll suggests 80+% of canadians aren't concerned about coalitions so let's talk about issues conservatives avoid...healthcare and how they're willing to sacrifice it for 30 billion star wars planes and prisons for the unreported crimes of the imaginary criminals and tax cuts for foreign corporate millionaires... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
RNG Posted March 28, 2011 Report Posted March 28, 2011 the contempt the conservatives have for parliament/democracy is obvious and a cbc poll suggests 80+% of canadians aren't concerned about coalitions so let's talk about issues conservatives avoid...healthcare and how they're willing to sacrifice it for 30 billion star wars planes and prisons for the unreported crimes of the imaginary criminals and tax cuts for foreign corporate millionaires... And Chretien/Martin did what about Medicare other than download costs to the provinces? And Canada shouldn't pull it's weight in the international community? Basically I agree with you about the whole get tough on crime stuff. How is that working out for the Americans -NOT. But come on - Iggy? No way. I will hold my nose and vote Conservative again. Quote The government can't give anything to anyone without having first taken it from someone else.
wyly Posted March 28, 2011 Report Posted March 28, 2011 (edited) And Chretien/Martin did what about Medicare other than download costs to the provinces? And Canada shouldn't pull it's weight in the international community? Basically I agree with you about the whole get tough on crime stuff. How is that working out for the Americans -NOT. But come on - Iggy? No way. I will hold my nose and vote Conservative again. and what do martin and chretian have to do with harpers ignoring healthcare? that's right absolutely nothing...harper is a reformer from alberta not a conservative, the extreme right reformers always had an agenda of destroying healthcare, they won't do it in the open they'll do it with neglect...as for pulling our weight the french are doing just fine without a f35 as are the brits, our current f18 is good enough and a super f18 good enough for another 20-30 years Edited March 28, 2011 by wyly Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
RNG Posted March 28, 2011 Report Posted March 28, 2011 and what do martin and chretian have to do with harpers ignoring healthcare? that's right absolutely nothing...harper is a reformer from alberta not a conservative, the extreme right reformers always had an agenda of destroying healthcare, they won't do it in the open they'll do it with neglect... Booga, booga, booga. Are you saying Iggy will be any better. I honestly think him and the totally pervested Liberals would do way worse. Quote The government can't give anything to anyone without having first taken it from someone else.
RNG Posted March 28, 2011 Report Posted March 28, 2011 Booga, booga, booga. Are you saying Iggy will be any better. I honestly think him and the totally pervested Liberals would do way worse. I'm in no way defending Harper. I'm just saying he's got Iggy, Layton and the Green woman beat all to hell. Mind you, that's like saying ghonnorea is better than syphillus. It's true, but damn, makes you wish there was another choice. Quote The government can't give anything to anyone without having first taken it from someone else.
wyly Posted March 28, 2011 Report Posted March 28, 2011 I'm in no way defending Harper. I'm just saying he's got Iggy, Layton and the Green woman beat all to hell. Mind you, that's like saying ghonnorea is better than syphillus. It's true, but damn, makes you wish there was another choice. what? that's absurd do you have a crystal ball that sees into the future? you have no way of knowing if ignateiff, layton or may wouldn't be better than harper... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
RNG Posted March 28, 2011 Report Posted March 28, 2011 what? that's absurd do you have a crystal ball that sees into the future? you have no way of knowing if ignateiff, layton or may wouldn't be better than harper... No, but i have the history of the Liberals and the NDP both federally and provincially. Well, OK, not the NDP cause they've never made the grade federally. And I have the sense of what they project on the screen and in person. Losers, IMHO. Harper is too, but the priciples he espouses, even if he doesn't always practice them, is still the way to go. Quote The government can't give anything to anyone without having first taken it from someone else.
wyly Posted March 28, 2011 Report Posted March 28, 2011 No, but i have the history of the Liberals and the NDP both federally and provincially. Well, OK, not the NDP cause they've never made the grade federally. And I have the sense of what they project on the screen and in person. Losers, IMHO. Harper is too, but the priciples he espouses, even if he doesn't always practice them, is still the way to go. bizarre and irrational..that makes as much sense as me judging harper by Mulrony and John a Macdonald's history....and you obviously have little sense of what the NDP is capable of, they've had many successful governments in Saskatchwan and are likely to be the next government of BC again, this is the party that gave us public healthcare or does your sense of history tell you that was an invention of Deifenbaker's... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
RNG Posted March 28, 2011 Report Posted March 28, 2011 (edited) bizarre and irrational..that makes as much sense as me judging harper by Mulrony and John a Macdonald's history....and you obviously have little sense of what the NDP is capable of, they've had many successful governments in Saskatchwan and are likely to be the next government of BC again, this is the party that gave us public healthcare or does your sense of history tell you that was an invention of Deifenbaker's... Medicare was totally an invention of the CCF, I think it still was. And it is screwing our country. We are going to be broke, really soon, mostly because of medicare. Harper at least realizes this and tries to warn the populous of this, but the blithering idiots lap up the shit Iggy and Layton lay on them. The US is leading on this again. They are so far in debt. Obamacare is going to totally screw them. China owns them now, I figure in 10 years China will own us. A country is no different than a business or a household. There is only so long you can let your expenses exceed you income till you are f^cked. And we are getting almost as close as the Americans. Edited March 28, 2011 by RNG Quote The government can't give anything to anyone without having first taken it from someone else.
Oleg Bach Posted March 28, 2011 Report Posted March 28, 2011 No one is even interested in Harper. Look at the guy..He has a bubbling boyish air about him...he is just a high ranking bureaucrat who would have rather been a club performer or hockey star. There is nothing to get fed up with! Has no one including the politicans figured out that they really have no power...other than passing laws that are un-enforceable...Now the guys that staged the G 20 - at least they had some power...and it came from a club and rubber bullit....IF the herding of people and the arrest of the innocent was tolerated in Toronto....then we have more serious problems then who gets to be Prime Minister. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted March 28, 2011 Report Posted March 28, 2011 WWWTT... We should look into immigration backlogs... Good issue. I looked into it. This issue fails the Google test... http://www.google.ca/#sclient=psy&hl=en&source=hp&q=canada+immigration+backlog&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&fp=f7f0c7ab186c2db8 There are no published numbers on the first Google page indicating the backlog, the costs for managing the backlog, the change in numbers over time. So, my #1 issue remains: transparency and monitoring of government services. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Michael Hardner Posted March 28, 2011 Report Posted March 28, 2011 Meanwhile, on this thread... big ideas are being discussed but specifics are short in supply. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
wyly Posted March 28, 2011 Report Posted March 28, 2011 Medicare was totally an invention of the CCF, I think it still was. And it is screwing our country. We are going to be broke, really soon, mostly because of medicare. your sense of history is very faulty, CCF is the NDP... Harper at least realizes this and tries to warn the populous of this, but the blithering idiots lap up the shit Iggy and Layton lay on them.oh really, when did this warning happen? 5 years ago when he told us that he would fix our healthcare and did nothing since?...is this the secret agenda know one knows about?and your dislike for healthcare reveals you to be from the far right so you never were an objective voter to begin with... The US is leading on this again. They are so far in debt. Obamacare is going to totally screw them. China owns them now, I figure in 10 years China will own us. A country is no different than a business or a household. There is only so long you can let your expenses exceed you income till you are f^cked. And we are getting almost as close as the Americans.USA is in debt because of excessivemilitary spending AND a lack of public healthcare... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 28, 2011 Report Posted March 28, 2011 USA is in debt because of excessivemilitary spending AND a lack of public healthcare... Really? So why is Canada in debt? Excessive healthcare? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Sir Bandelot Posted March 28, 2011 Report Posted March 28, 2011 Really? So why is Canada in debt? Excessive healthcare? Canada was in a very good position financially, and as a result was able to weather the latest economic "storms" quite well. Canada is now in worsening debt because of the policies of the CPC, handing out billions to banks that are not even in trouble. Because the banks wanted their "cut", as was being done in other western contries in the time of the great kleptocracy. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 28, 2011 Report Posted March 28, 2011 (edited) Canada was in a very good position financially, and as a result was able to weather the latest economic "storms" quite well. Canada is now in worsening debt because of the policies of the CPC, handing out billions to banks that are not even in trouble. Because the banks wanted their "cut", as was being done in other western contries in the time of the great kleptocracy. Yes...I understand the short term ruckus over deficits, but why is Canada in debt to the tune of over half a trillion dollars? Alluding to the previous post about US debt...Canada has a small military budget compared to other NATO nations, no current national infrastructure investment, no manned space program, etc., etc. So where did the money go? Or do you still blame it on Trudeau and Mulroney? Edited March 28, 2011 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
blueblood Posted March 28, 2011 Report Posted March 28, 2011 Canada was in a very good position financially, and as a result was able to weather the latest economic "storms" quite well. Canada is now in worsening debt because of the policies of the CPC, handing out billions to banks that are not even in trouble. Because the banks wanted their "cut", as was being done in other western contries in the time of the great kleptocracy. What billions to the banks? If cpc policies so bad why is obama and cameron copying his policy of corporate tax cuts? By great kleptocracy do you mean people in the us thinking they can afford houses at more than 5 times earnings? Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
Bryan Posted March 28, 2011 Report Posted March 28, 2011 Canada was in a very good position financially, and as a result was able to weather the latest economic "storms" quite well. Canada is now in worsening debt because of the policies of the CPC, handing out billions to banks that are not even in trouble. Because the banks wanted their "cut", as was being done in other western contries in the time of the great kleptocracy. Our fiscal position, including our debt, is the best in the G7. Our banks did not get any bailouts, that was the U.S. Quote
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