Canada_First Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 Yes, and it must be reported.Thats what happened in this case. Influence peddling g is the same as giving envelopes stuffed with cash. Quote
Bryan Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 Yes, and it must be reported. If it's a campaign contribution. Quote
cybercoma Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 Guys, the Gagnier thing is being discussed in another thread. Quote
ToadBrother Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 If it's a campaign contribution. And if it's not, then it shouldn't be given at all. MPs get in trouble for receiving moderately priced gifts, for goodness sake. Even Harper and Wright knew it was wrong, and Wright made it clear he viewed it as a serious mistake. Why are Tories still so keen to defend the payment? Quote
dre Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 It absolutely should be a scandal, but it won't be because it's business as usual. This was arranging who to give those envelopes to. It should be a scandal all the time if people feel that way not an election "gotcha". And envelopes dont even need to be exchanged, just the verbal promise to a politician of a cushy job once he leaves office. "Pay for play" is a broken aspect of the system itself, not a partisan issue. And the only way it should be an election issue is if one party is campaigning on completely ending it, and nobody is. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Canada_First Posted October 18, 2015 Report Posted October 18, 2015 We have a new choice this election. Catch the orange wave. Vote NDP. Don't support Liberal corruption. Quote
Bryan Posted October 18, 2015 Report Posted October 18, 2015 And if it's not, then it shouldn't be given at all. MPs get in trouble for receiving moderately priced gifts, for goodness sake. Even Harper and Wright knew it was wrong, and Wright made it clear he viewed it as a serious mistake. Why are Tories still so keen to defend the payment? Because there is literally not a damn thing wrong with it whatsoever. If anything, it's a sign of significantly MORE integrity that the PMO's Chief of Staff felt so strongly about reimbursing the taxpayers that he did so out of his own pocket. The guy should be getting an award. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted October 18, 2015 Report Posted October 18, 2015 Because there is literally not a damn thing wrong with it whatsoever. If anything, it's a sign of significantly MORE integrity that the PMO's Chief of Staff felt so strongly about reimbursing the taxpayers that he did so out of his own pocket. The guy should be getting an award.The naivety of that statement is stunning. Just looking at how often Harper changed his story should have been your first clue. Quote
blueblood Posted October 18, 2015 Report Posted October 18, 2015 The naivety of that statement is stunning. Just looking at how often Harper changed his story should have been your first clue. Of course hes changing his story because the way something like that can be spun makes the tories look bad and surprise surprise thats what happened Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
Michael Hardner Posted October 18, 2015 Report Posted October 18, 2015 Please get the topic back to the polls. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
blueblood Posted October 18, 2015 Report Posted October 18, 2015 All in all i think it will be quite an election night given the variance in the ekos polls vs the nanos polls. Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
Canada_First Posted October 18, 2015 Report Posted October 18, 2015 All in all i think it will be quite an election night given the variance in the ekos polls vs the nanos polls. It's important to take polls with a grain of salt. They've been really wrong lately. It can still go either way. The NDP is going to see a bump on election day I think as will the Torys. I still think the BQ will see a resurgence in PQ. I think they'll take at least 15 seats maybe 20. Same with the Torys in PQ. It's important to not think of the election in national numbers to me. I look at the regional break downs because a national election in Canada is more like a bunch of regional elections. Quote
Exegesisme Posted October 18, 2015 Report Posted October 18, 2015 My Est. of new distribution of seats on poll numbers Oct. 17. Con% NDP% Lib% Green% Bloc% EKOS Poll numbers 33.3 21.9 33.7 4.1 4.7 Con NDP Lib Green Bloc Seats 338 My EST 124+-12 59+-6 145+-15 2+-1 8+-3 My Est. of new distribution of seats on poll numbers Oct. 16. Con% NDP% Lib% Green% Bloc% EKOS Poll numbers 32.8 22.7 34 5.1 3.4 Con NDP Lib Green Bloc Seats 338 My EST 121+-12 63+-7 147+-15 2+-1 5+-3 （EKOS poll numbers may be related to distribution of seats of each party more closely than Nanos poll numbers.） Quote
BC_chick Posted October 18, 2015 Report Posted October 18, 2015 http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/politics/topstories/if-you-think-you-have-this-election-figured-remember-great-britain-1.3276637 Interesting article about when the polls are wrong. We saw it here in BC too last election. Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
Vancouver King Posted October 18, 2015 Report Posted October 18, 2015 Too many respected pollsters are in agreement for all of them to be way off the mark. We are headed,unfortunately, for a Liberal majority/near majority. Quote When the people have no tyrant, their public opinion becomes one. ...... Lord Lytton
ToadBrother Posted October 18, 2015 Report Posted October 18, 2015 Too many respected pollsters are in agreement for all of them to be way off the mark. We are headed,unfortunately, for a Liberal majority/near majority. The Liberals will need to get above 40% for a majority to become a strong possibility. I suppose it's possible, but doubtful. They'll get somewhere in the 140 seat range. Quote
Smallc Posted October 18, 2015 Report Posted October 18, 2015 The Liberals will need to get above 40% for a majority to become a strong possibility. I suppose it's possible, but doubtful. They'll get somewhere in the 140 seat range. I'm looking at about 160 seats now based on what I see. Remember 2011 - the Conservatives were a couple of points below where they ended up. I think the same effect will happen to the Liberals - we're not yet seeing their true number as the trajectory will continue like this into tomorrow and the voting booth...I think. Quote
Smallc Posted October 18, 2015 Report Posted October 18, 2015 Also consider that the NDP collapse continues in Quebec. The Liberals may be looking at 30 seats there, taking them in the Quebec City area that the Conservatives had hoped to gain from. Quote
Vancouver King Posted October 18, 2015 Report Posted October 18, 2015 Anti-Harper forces rejoice! The poster boy for Conservative ignorance - Employment Minister Pierre Poilievre - is now predicted to lose in Carleton. Polll Tracker has it 37 to 31 in favor of the Liberal. Call it Karma, call it justice, this probable result is especially satisfying. Quote When the people have no tyrant, their public opinion becomes one. ...... Lord Lytton
Smallc Posted October 18, 2015 Report Posted October 18, 2015 Are there anymore polls coming out today? I was really hoping Leger would do one more. Quote
ReeferMadness Posted October 18, 2015 Report Posted October 18, 2015 Too many respected pollsters are in agreement for all of them to be way off the mark. We are headed,unfortunately, for a Liberal majority/near majority. Not impossible but completely unlikely. A Conservative minority is much more likely than a Liberal majority. You're worrying about the wrong thing. Look at electionprediction.org. It's built bottom up from local people on the ground. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
Smallc Posted October 18, 2015 Report Posted October 18, 2015 That all depends on Quebec...is there enough time for the Liberals to continue to climb (and are they still climbing)? The Nanos poll may show a stall and a potential NDP recovery, though there is no good reason that I can find for it. Quote
ReeferMadness Posted October 18, 2015 Report Posted October 18, 2015 That all depends on Quebec...is there enough time for the Liberals to continue to climb (and are they still climbing)? The Nanos poll may show a stall and a potential NDP recovery, though there is no good reason that I can find for it. Quebec might be a predictor - but it's not just Quebec. There are so many ridings across the country - Ontario, BC, even Alberta, where it could go either way. Lots of 3 way races too. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
cybercoma Posted October 18, 2015 Report Posted October 18, 2015 Too many respected pollsters are in agreement for all of them to be way off the mark. We are headed,unfortunately, for a Liberal majority/near majority. Nobody is projecting a Liberal majority. Quote
cybercoma Posted October 18, 2015 Report Posted October 18, 2015 Are there anymore polls coming out today? I was really hoping Leger would do one more. Nanos will release another one tonight before midnight. Quote
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