angrypenguin Posted October 3, 2015 Report Posted October 3, 2015 I was going to vote NDP as I felt Thomas Mulcair to be the best leader. He's in the wrong party and I just can't. So you're going to vote in someone who has been essentially a failure in life that has been raised by an elitist who has no experience in running a country? That's just sad. If I were in support of Mulcair (and I have voted NDP before), I'd vote for the NDP. Full stop. Quote My views are my own and not those of my employer.
Evening Star Posted October 3, 2015 Report Posted October 3, 2015 3 years of deificts, and then a balanced budget by the 4th year? That just means either a huge tax hike or program spending cuts. My money is on the latter, which just makes them seem cynical, especially when they're being pushed as the progressive option. Mulcair made that point last night. Quote
angrypenguin Posted October 3, 2015 Report Posted October 3, 2015 My money is on the latter, which just makes them seem cynical, especially when they're being pushed as the progressive option. Mulcair made that point last night. My money is on the former. And yes, I did see that last night. We are all political junkies on here Quote My views are my own and not those of my employer.
Vancouver King Posted October 3, 2015 Report Posted October 3, 2015 Liberals taking off http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/election/nanos-polls Who could guess my newly erected Liberal lawn sign - upgraded from an NDP window placard - would move the region's voting so quickly and so decisively. Quote When the people have no tyrant, their public opinion becomes one. ...... Lord Lytton
PIK Posted October 3, 2015 Report Posted October 3, 2015 that's your reach... "the people of Western Canada"? Considering the influx of "Easterners" into Alberta over the years... are you sure? Notwithstanding, other than die-hard partisans/geezers, just who in Alberta thinks of or dwells on "the elder Trudeau"? In any case, "the younger Trudeau" didn't bring the comment forward unsolicited - you can thank the shot Mulcair decided to take for it. That is what make me shake my head. People move to alberta to get good paying jobs,then vote for a party that is going to take those jobs away. How stupid people can be. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
angrypenguin Posted October 3, 2015 Report Posted October 3, 2015 That is what make me shake my head. People move to alberta to get good paying jobs,then vote for a party that is going to take those jobs away. How stupid people can be. The federal election is always indicative of how stupid people can be. Basically anyone who disagrees with who you vote for is stupid. It drives me nuts, and yes, I do refer to a lot of voters as stupid. But yeah, elections bring out the BEST in people Quote My views are my own and not those of my employer.
PIK Posted October 3, 2015 Report Posted October 3, 2015 Who could guess my newly erected Liberal lawn sign - upgraded from an NDP window placard - would move the region's voting so quickly and so decisively. Some one put a liberal sign in my yard 2 days ago, I poured gas on it and lit it. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
ToadBrother Posted October 3, 2015 Report Posted October 3, 2015 That is what make me shake my head. People move to alberta to get good paying jobs,then vote for a party that is going to take those jobs away. How stupid people can be. The only thing taking good jobs away in Alberta is the House of Saud and US shale oil extractors, neither of which will be on the ballot in any riding in Alberta. Quote
angrypenguin Posted October 3, 2015 Report Posted October 3, 2015 Some one put a liberal sign in my yard 2 days ago, I poured gas on it and lit it. And people wonder why I don't put up signs Quote My views are my own and not those of my employer.
PIK Posted October 3, 2015 Report Posted October 3, 2015 The only thing taking good jobs away in Alberta is the House of Saud and US shale oil extractors, neither of which will be on the ballot in any riding in Alberta. But yet nobody on the left will admit to that. I have been saying that for a long time. All these billions being spent trying to get our oil sands shut down, are coming from other oil producing countries like saudi arabia. And there is the canadian left and environmentalists screaming about our oil sands thinking it all about the environment, when it is all about more oil money for our competition. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
PIK Posted October 3, 2015 Report Posted October 3, 2015 And people wonder why I don't put up signs It was on my private land, that made it mine to do whatever I wanted. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
angrypenguin Posted October 3, 2015 Report Posted October 3, 2015 It was on my private land, that made it mine to do whatever I wanted. Well.........................you know that's still arson and illegal right? Quote My views are my own and not those of my employer.
ToadBrother Posted October 3, 2015 Report Posted October 3, 2015 But yet nobody on the left will admit to that. I have been saying that for a long time. All these billions being spent trying to get our oil sands shut down, are coming from other oil producing countries like saudi arabia. And there is the canadian left and environmentalists screaming about our oil sands thinking it all about the environment, when it is all about more oil money for our competition. And yet you did the very same thing, insinuating in that if anyone but the Tories win, the good paying jobs are gone. Quote
The_Squid Posted October 3, 2015 Report Posted October 3, 2015 (edited) Not to worry anti-Conservatives... Harper won't win a majority. There is still hope for a coalition to form the next government. Edited October 3, 2015 by The_Squid Quote
PIK Posted October 3, 2015 Report Posted October 3, 2015 Ya think, people, are now paying attention, that is why harpers numbers are going up. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
ToadBrother Posted October 3, 2015 Report Posted October 3, 2015 Ya think, people, are now paying attention, that is why harpers numbers are going up. Or down, depending on the time of day. All I can glean from this hodgepodge is that the NDP are failing. As to the Tories and Liberals, who knows? It tells me there is a lot of volatility, and if one is in the projection business, one can only hope some trend that last more than three days emerges. If I were to hazard a guess (and I refuse to be held to it!), I'd say voters have decided the NDP are dead, and it has now become a two way race. Those voters who tended towards the Tories but were enamoured by Mulcair's fiscally conservative message are returning to the blue team, while the Anybody But Harper crowd are shifting to the Liberals, which has apparently become the Official Anybody But Harper Party. I'm seeing it in my riding, which is one of the new ones, but was carved out of two Tory ridings. The NDP, which had a dominating lead, is now seeing the Tory candidate becoming very competitive, and probably has a shot now, whereas he looked doomed a couple of weeks ago. Quote
angrypenguin Posted October 3, 2015 Report Posted October 3, 2015 Not to worry anti-Conservatives... Harper won't win a majority. There is still hope for a coalition to form the next government. Hopefully Harper prorogues parliament Quote My views are my own and not those of my employer.
ToadBrother Posted October 3, 2015 Report Posted October 3, 2015 Hopefully Harper prorogues parliament To what end? It won't likely Dave him this time, and as we know the GG put conditions on the last prorogation, and GG's in general can impose limitations on a government (King-Byng), what would you imagine would happen. Putting off the Throne Speech won't save a Tory minority this time around, and could damage the Tory brand. Quote
Vancouver King Posted October 3, 2015 Report Posted October 3, 2015 Hopefully Harper prorogues parliament You mean you hope Harper stalls the inevitable? Quote When the people have no tyrant, their public opinion becomes one. ...... Lord Lytton
angrypenguin Posted October 3, 2015 Report Posted October 3, 2015 To be fair, I don't know what will happen. Certainly a Conservative minority will be very interesting! Quote My views are my own and not those of my employer.
ToadBrother Posted October 3, 2015 Report Posted October 3, 2015 To be fair, I don't know what will happen. Certainly a Conservative minority will be very interesting! And likely short lived. I don't think Trudeau is going to make the same mistake that Ignatieff did in 2009. Quote
angrypenguin Posted October 3, 2015 Report Posted October 3, 2015 I'm watching this thing on Lynton Crosby. He's really not a one trick pony. Saying that he focuses on wedge issues and that his political strategy is divisive is incorrect. Quote My views are my own and not those of my employer.
cybercoma Posted October 3, 2015 Report Posted October 3, 2015 (edited) So you're going to vote in someone who has been essentially a failure in life that has been raised by an elitist who has no experience in running a country? This is pretty sad. I'm not sure you realize how limited the powers of the prime minister really are. It's not the same position as the president in the US by any stretch of the imagination. They don't call the prime minister the "first among equals" for nothing. If caucuses had more power to hold their party leaders accountable between elections, PMs would not be the "friendly dictators" that Jeffrey Simpson called Chrétien. Edited October 3, 2015 by cybercoma Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 3, 2015 Report Posted October 3, 2015 (edited) Actually, a Canadian prime minister with a majority government has more unchecked power than any U.S. president and most western democracies. That's how PM Chretien got to bomb people without approval by Parliament. Edited October 3, 2015 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
cybercoma Posted October 3, 2015 Report Posted October 3, 2015 (edited) Actually, a Canadian prime minister with a majority government has more unchecked power than any U.S. president and most western democracies. That's how PM Chretien got to bomb people without approval by Parliament. Any decision a prime minister makes needs the support of the legislature. With a slim majority he's a few backbenchers away from losing his prime ministership and going to a new election. When's the last time a president's term was cut short by congress? Edited October 3, 2015 by cybercoma Quote
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