Saipan Posted April 3, 2011 Report Posted April 3, 2011 With that sentence, you're revealing that you're against freedom of religion Freedom of religion ONLY for those who believe in freedom of religion. Even the "westernized" Moslems here claim "to hell with freedom, Sharia will prevail" Islam failed miserably. They can't be trusted. Quote
Scotty Posted April 3, 2011 Report Posted April 3, 2011 With that sentence, you're revealing that you're against freedom of religion, i.e. that if a citizen follows a certain religion, they have effectively conquered their country, i.e. they're a traitor. This kind of hysteria reveals a lack of faith in the Christian religion, and democracy too. I have complete faith in those institutions. The Christian religion, at least in Europe and much of North America, has little influence and is paid little heed. As for democracy, it is only as useful as people make it. If much of the population could not be bothered to vote then the zealots have much more influence than their numbers would suggest. Islam, as I understand it, is not merely a guide to moral behavior, but a guide to political behavior. Many, if not the majority of its adherents, want laws and government to reflect the Koran. So to a certain extent, they are traitors to the existing order which has welcomed them. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Michael Hardner Posted April 3, 2011 Report Posted April 3, 2011 You're assuming that the Muslims have any belief in freedom of religion. Our openness should not be a suicide pact. I'm not assuming anything about "THE" Muslims no. As I said, I feel that democracy works and that no particular religion constitutes some kind of voodoo against it. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Michael Hardner Posted April 3, 2011 Report Posted April 3, 2011 Freedom of religion ONLY for those who believe in freedom of religion. Even the "westernized" Moslems here claim "to hell with freedom, Sharia will prevail" Islam failed miserably. They can't be trusted. You have really failed to learn from history, and the results of religious scapegoating that has happened in the past. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Michael Hardner Posted April 3, 2011 Report Posted April 3, 2011 Islam, as I understand it, is not merely a guide to moral behavior, but a guide to political behavior. Many, if not the majority of its adherents, want laws and government to reflect the Koran. So to a certain extent, they are traitors to the existing order which has welcomed them. This is just scare mongering. Religious people always want the laws to reflect their morality - so it is with Christians who have great influence likewise in North America. I'm not terrified for democracy, and I don't pray to boogey men. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Scotty Posted April 3, 2011 Report Posted April 3, 2011 I'm not terrified for democracy, and I don't pray to boogey men. Unfortunately, Muslim leaders are and do. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
weegie Posted April 3, 2011 Report Posted April 3, 2011 I live in the UK and if you even look at a foreigner the wrong way, you're a racist. A black man racially attacked one of my friends (physically) purely because he was white, my friends only retaliation was a racial slur. He was convicted of racism whilst the attacker walked free. Is this fair? Freedom of speech? I don't know what this means anymore. Quote
jbg Posted April 4, 2011 Report Posted April 4, 2011 I'm not assuming anything about "THE" Muslims no. As I said, I feel that democracy works and that no particular religion constitutes some kind of voodoo against it. Which Muslim country has been consisently democratic? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Michael Hardner Posted April 4, 2011 Report Posted April 4, 2011 Which Muslim country has been consisently democratic? Religious republics don't support pluralism. But your statement was about THE Muslims, which presumably includes Muslims in Canada, the US and so on. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
GostHacked Posted April 4, 2011 Report Posted April 4, 2011 Which Muslim country has been consisently democratic? It's a guess, but could Turkey be a candidate for just that? Quote
DogOnPorch Posted April 4, 2011 Report Posted April 4, 2011 Yes...correct. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Black Dog Posted April 4, 2011 Report Posted April 4, 2011 Freedom of religion ONLY for those who believe in freedom of religion. Even the "westernized" Moslems here claim "to hell with freedom, Sharia will prevail" Islam failed miserably. They can't be trusted. But according to you and your fellow pants-pissers, they are winning. Who really failed? Quote
Black Dog Posted April 4, 2011 Report Posted April 4, 2011 You have really failed to learn from history, and the results of religious scapegoating that has happened in the past. Yeah this narrative echoes so many traditional antisemitic tropes it's almost comical. Oh and there's a healthy dash of the Dolchstoss Legende thrown in there for good measure. Quote
Oleg Bach Posted April 4, 2011 Report Posted April 4, 2011 Liberal feel goodism = community - commune - communist? - I don't want to be part of some "community" - and the "common good" is not something I would sacrifice myself for - for the benefit of the higher number of people - better to let the common good rot than ruin one good person through oppression - as was said in the movie "Is the Empire of Rome worth the life of one good man?" I would say not! Once the individual is harmed the collective is nothing but human rot. As Christ a prophet mentioned in the Koran said - "I have not come to save the whole flock.......but have come to rescue the one single sheep that has fallen into the pit - the sacred individual...to hell with the common good - which is actually the common bad - off topic? So what! Quote
Michael Hardner Posted April 4, 2011 Report Posted April 4, 2011 Liberal feel goodism = community - commune - communist? - I don't want to be part of some "community" - and the "common good" is not something I would sacrifice myself for - for the benefit of the higher number of people - better to let the common good rot than ruin one good person through oppression You don't have a choice but to be part of a community. By living within a certain boundry, you're part of the community and they pick you up when you flop down on the sidewalk, give you meds, or cut you a cheque to take care of you. And you in particular seem to be beholden to that community for keeping you going, so your posts ring out like the dog barking at the master. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Saipan Posted April 4, 2011 Report Posted April 4, 2011 But according to you and your fellow pants-pissers, they are winning. Winning what, where? Quote
Black Dog Posted April 5, 2011 Report Posted April 5, 2011 (edited) Winning what, where? Everything everywhere, apparently. They are taking over. At least, that's what you've said. It's not the first time Islam took over most of Europe.And now the pendulum is almost as far as it can swing, once again. Edited April 5, 2011 by Black Dog Quote
jbg Posted April 5, 2011 Report Posted April 5, 2011 Which Muslim country has been consisently democratic? It's a guess, but could Turkey be a candidate for just that? The Army's had to seize power at least a few times to keep the country secular. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
GostHacked Posted April 5, 2011 Report Posted April 5, 2011 The Army's had to seize power at least a few times to keep the country secular. Is that a yes or no? Quote
Oleg Bach Posted April 5, 2011 Report Posted April 5, 2011 Is that a yes or no? Declaring an undeclared war and sending forces to Iraq or Afhanistan IS the army taking control...the military industrial complex that is the base of America - does in effect keep secularism alive - if it were not for secularism and religion - most soldier would not fight. Quote
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