Scotty Posted March 12, 2011 Report Posted March 12, 2011 I'm not saying it's unnatural to feel that way. But we reconciled with the German people over that awful war pretty well, all things considered. Mostly after the ones who fought it had died off. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted March 12, 2011 Report Posted March 12, 2011 Canada also needs to be aware of the threat of radical Christianss who believe it is Christianity's job to destroy all other faiths. The radical Christian right are no different than the Taliban. Both have the same goal: a world wide theocracy (run by them). You get back to me when the 'radical Christians' start blowing up markets and buildings, okay? Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
CANADIEN Posted March 12, 2011 Report Posted March 12, 2011 You get back to me when the 'radical Christians' start blowing up markets and buildings, okay? Radical Christians have already started attacking abortion clinics and murdering abortion killers. Now, you get back to us when you can demonstrate that all, or a majority of Muslims in Canada are terrorists. OK? Quote
Mr.Canada Posted March 12, 2011 Author Report Posted March 12, 2011 (edited) Radical Christians have already started attacking abortion clinics and murdering abortion killers. Now, you get back to us when you can demonstrate that all, or a majority of Muslims in Canada are terrorists. OK? This is an example of how dangerous political correctness is. Nothing will change is Canada until something terrible happens. Always the way it is unfortunately. Edited March 12, 2011 by Mr.Canada Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
CANADIEN Posted March 12, 2011 Report Posted March 12, 2011 This is an example of how dangerous political correctness is. Nothing will change is Canada until something terrible happens. Always the way it is unfortunately. This is rather an example on how selectibe your anger is. Quote
betsy Posted March 12, 2011 Report Posted March 12, 2011 (edited) Wife-Beheading Muslim TV Executive Found Guilty In Buffalo 8th Feb 2011 He was the CEO of the “Bridges” Muslim television network in Buffalo, whose mission was to show America the peacefulness of the Islamic religion. When his wife divorced him after years of physical abuse, he lured her to his office and beheaded, tossing the head down the hallway of his television studio. Muzzammil Hassan gave the incredible argument that HE was physically abused by his petite wife. The jury in Buffalo, New York had none of it. More... http://politifi.com/news/WifeBeheading-Muslim-TV-Executive-Found-Guilty-In-Buffalo-1719790.html I'm not familiar with the Koran. Is there anything significant about "beheading," seeing that this practice seems to be the most preferred act? Edited March 12, 2011 by betsy Quote
Mr.Canada Posted March 12, 2011 Author Report Posted March 12, 2011 http://politifi.com/news/WifeBeheading-Muslim-TV-Executive-Found-Guilty-In-Buffalo-1719790.html I'm not familiar with the Koran. Is there anything significant about "beheading," seeing that this practice seems to be the most preferred act? Here is a couple passages from the Koran(Qu'ran, whichever spelling you like).... Qur’an 2:191 “And kill them wherever you find and catch them. Drive them out from where they have turned you out; for Al-Fitnah (polytheism, disbelief, oppression) is worse than slaughter.” Qur’an 33:60 “Truly, if the Hypocrites stir up sedition, if the agitators in the City do not desist, We shall urge you to go against them and set you over them. Then they will not be able to stay as your neighbors for any length of time. They shall have a curse on them. Whenever they are found, they shall be seized and slain without mercy—a fierce slaughter—murdered, a horrible murdering.” Here are a couple passages from the Hadith...basically oral tradition...a book to help Muslims better understand the Koran... Ishaq:368 “Ka’b’s body was left prostrate [humbled in submission]. After his fall, all of the Nadir Jews were brought low. Sword in hand we cut him down. By Muhammad’s order we were sent secretly by night. Brother killing brother. We lured him to his death with guile [cunning or deviousness]. Traveling by night, bold as lions, we went into his home. We made him taste death with our deadly swords. We sought victory for the religion of the Prophet.” Tabari VII:97 “The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, ‘Kill any Jew who falls under your power.’” Ishaq:369 “Thereupon Mas’ud leapt upon Sunayna, one of the Jewish merchants with whom his family had social and commercial relations and killed him. The Muslim’s brother complained, saying, ‘Why did you kill him? You have much fat in you belly from his charity.’ Mas’ud answered, ‘By Allah, had Muhammad ordered me to murder you, my brother, I would have cut off your head.’ Wherein the brother said, ‘Any religion that can bring you to this is indeed wonderful!’ And he accepted Islam.” Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
betsy Posted March 12, 2011 Report Posted March 12, 2011 (edited) Canada needs to wake up about the true aim of Islam which is to make fun of Christianity and Judaism until they fall by the wayside and Islam will take over as the dominant religion. By violence if necessary. That is what is happening in the Sudan. Muslims vs Christians. I hope you all know that is what that war is about. As it says in the Koran. KILL any Christians and Jews that cross your path. Muslims are violent. Look at the UK, France and the Netherlands they have taken over parts of that previously all white country to make "no go zones" for white people. Yeah , that's a religion of peace alright. I'm sure all this is perfectly acceptable to people here. At least the USA is waking up and seems to be taking some steps. Poll: Most say congressional hearings on Muslims are OKBy Alan Gomez, USA TODAY A new USA TODAY/Gallup Poll finds most Americans do not believe U.S. Muslims are too extreme in their religious beliefs, yet a majority also find it appropriate that Congress examines the radicalization of some members of the Muslim community. A hearing today before Rep. Pete King's House Homeland Security Committee will look at the threat posed by U.S. Muslims being radicalized by terrorist groups, and whether the Muslim-American community is doing enough to help law enforcement capture those who are becoming radicalized. The hearing has prompted angry reactions from some of the 2.6 million Muslims living in the USA and a host of civil rights groups, including the ACLU and the Council on American-Islamic Relations, who say the community is being unfairly singled out. The new poll finds that 52% of Americans say the hearing is appropriate, and 38% believe the hearing is inappropriate. Ten percent have no opinion. The poll also found that more Americans think Muslims living in America are committed to their religion than think they are supportive of the United States. A majority of Americans do not believe, however, that Muslims in America are too extreme in their religious beliefs or sympathetic to the al-Qaeda terrorist organization http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2011-03-09-muslim-congressional-hearings-poll_N.htm Hopefully, Canada will follow. The radicalization of Muslim youths have to be addressed....sooner or later. We can't keep pretending it's not happening. Edited March 12, 2011 by betsy Quote
betsy Posted March 12, 2011 Report Posted March 12, 2011 (edited) Radical Christians have already started attacking abortion clinics and murdering abortion killers.Now, you get back to us when you can demonstrate that all, or a majority of Muslims in Canada are terrorists. For the record, I do not support these murders. As pointed out somewhere by another poster, how many radical Christians kill abortionists compared to the numbers of radical Muslims gungho on blowing themselves up? Are you saying all Christians are terrorists? Furthermore, your analogy falls apart since the handful of radical Christians defended the babies. Radical Muslims are killing the innocents....and that includes the babies! Hitler, radical Muslims and the abortionists are all on the same boat, as a matter of fact! They're all killers of innocents. Let's talk....MOTIVE. And what is the motive why these radical Christians are doing such things? Isn't it because helpless, innocent babies are being butchered? Could it be out of frustration...and desperation... not only because a somnambulant society continue to look the other way and let these baby-killings go on, but also sanctioned such barbaric acts? Anyway, you see a serial murderer going on killing one victim after another....you just stand there without doing anything? To be honest, I don't know what I could do if I were in the same room watching someone tearing a baby apart. When Hitler and the nazis were slaughtering Jews, and the western world remained unconcerned, resistance groups were formed. Canada (recently apologised) for having sent back a shipload of Jews to Europe....most of whom ended up getting killed! Then years later (and millions of slaughtered Jews later)....this same civilized society ask: How could we have let it happened? Resistance fighters fought to defend those who cannot defend themselves. M O T I V E. You cannot compare these two groups of radicals. Edited March 12, 2011 by betsy Quote
Mr.Canada Posted March 12, 2011 Author Report Posted March 12, 2011 Anytime someone criticizes Muslims someone yells...'well what about the Christians?'. It's silly, one has nothing to do with the other. They're constantly trying to change the channel because they're afraid to admit what the rest of us already know. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
GostHacked Posted March 12, 2011 Report Posted March 12, 2011 Anytime someone criticizes Muslims someone yells...'well what about the Christians?'. It's silly, one has nothing to do with the other. They're constantly trying to change the channel because they're afraid to admit what the rest of us already know. We could say, well what about them Jews! Then a huge shitstorm arises from that, so what good does it do? And you are not even sure what channel you are on, because you have no idea what you are watching. Quote
cybercoma Posted March 12, 2011 Report Posted March 12, 2011 You realize of course that this practice (which, in case you are tempted to make a foul of yourself AGAIN by claiming otherwise, I abhor) is a ritual one, performed only at specific times, and most importantly is formed by the MINORITY Shiites. Which means... most Muslims don't do this. Doesn't really seem as violent as cutting the skin off the penis of an infant and look how violent the Jews turned out to be. Quote
cybercoma Posted March 12, 2011 Report Posted March 12, 2011 This is the foundation of the Muslim religion. I don't need to prove who wrote the Koran. I have to rpove what Radical Muslims believe. You guys are totally missing the point. You're making me, M.Canada, the topic instead of talking about this thread. That is called a strawman. You know... you can't actually prove what someone else believes, since you don't have access to their mind. You can prove and judge another's actions and what they say, but their beliefs are internal and inaccessible. Quote
cybercoma Posted March 12, 2011 Report Posted March 12, 2011 Free Muslim Coalition Against Terrorism http://www.freemuslims.org/about/ Islam For Today (contains 34 articles written by Muslims against fundamentalism, terrorism, jihad violence, etc.) http://www.islamfortoday.com/fundamnetalism.htm The American Muslim (TAM) Resources and information about denouncing terrorism http://theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php/features/articles/muslim_voices_against_extremism_and_terrorism_2/ Including: Qu'ran and Hadith sections against extremism http://theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php/features/articles/quranic_verses_against_extremism/0013622 and Muslims serving in the US military http://theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php/features/articles/muslims_in_the_military/0013612 Statement by Birmingham (UK) Muslim Community against extremist teachings http://www.salmayaqoob.com/2011/02/birmingham-muslims-against-extremism.html Other Muslim written articles against extremism http://www.muhajabah.com/otherscondemn.php Between all those links you have several hundred statements by Muslims condemning violence and fighting against terrorism and extremists, especially in the West, where you claim extremism is becoming a problem. You have entire communities speaking out, yet here you are saying that it is central to Islam. It's not. And since I'm not allowed to bring up any other religions, I won't even bother to mention that there is a very big double standard here. Muslims are constantly required to speak out against every form of violence that any other Muslim commits; however, we don't demand all of Christianity or all the Jews to apologize for the actions of extremists within their ranks. We force peaceful Muslims to take responsibility for those that are violent and it's not fair to them. They don't believe what those other Muslims believe; they're not responsible for what those other Muslims believe; and, they shouldn't be expected to apologize for what other Muslims believe. We don't demand that all Christians speak out against and apologize for the Phelps family's idiocy or Christians that murder abortion doctors. Nor do we expect all Jews to apologize for some of the, at best, questionable actions of Israel. We shouldn't force peaceful Muslims to identify with and make apologies for Muslim extremists. Quote
GostHacked Posted March 12, 2011 Report Posted March 12, 2011 Good post cybercoma. But some will still ask, 'where are the moderates speaking out against radicalization?' Quote
CANADIEN Posted March 12, 2011 Report Posted March 12, 2011 For the record, I do not support these murders. As pointed out somewhere by another poster, how many radical Christians kill abortionists compared to the numbers of radical Muslims gungho on blowing themselves up? Are you saying all Christians are terrorists? Nobody here has said that, or anything even remotely closed to that. If that's what you read in ANY of my postings, go have your eyes examined. Furthermore, your analogy falls apart since the handful of radical Christians defended the babies. Radical Muslims are killing the innocents....and that includes the babies! People who murder abortion doctors are terrorists. Plain and simple. I have said before that nobody here has defended terrorists. I stand corrected... you just did. And btw, in case you are tmepted to make yourself even more odious by claiming otherwise, I am completely and 100% opposed to abortion. Quote
CANADIEN Posted March 12, 2011 Report Posted March 12, 2011 Free Muslim Coalition Against Terrorism http://www.freemuslims.org/about/ Islam For Today (contains 34 articles written by Muslims against fundamentalism, terrorism, jihad violence, etc.) http://www.islamfortoday.com/fundamnetalism.htm The American Muslim (TAM) Resources and information about denouncing terrorism http://theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php/features/articles/muslim_voices_against_extremism_and_terrorism_2/ Including: Qu'ran and Hadith sections against extremism http://theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php/features/articles/quranic_verses_against_extremism/0013622 and Muslims serving in the US military http://theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php/features/articles/muslims_in_the_military/0013612 Statement by Birmingham (UK) Muslim Community against extremist teachings http://www.salmayaqoob.com/2011/02/birmingham-muslims-against-extremism.html Other Muslim written articles against extremism http://www.muhajabah.com/otherscondemn.php Between all those links you have several hundred statements by Muslims condemning violence and fighting against terrorism and extremists, especially in the West, where you claim extremism is becoming a problem. You have entire communities speaking out, yet here you are saying that it is central to Islam. It's not. And since I'm not allowed to bring up any other religions, I won't even bother to mention that there is a very big double standard here. Muslims are constantly required to speak out against every form of violence that any other Muslim commits; however, we don't demand all of Christianity or all the Jews to apologize for the actions of extremists within their ranks. We force peaceful Muslims to take responsibility for those that are violent and it's not fair to them. They don't believe what those other Muslims believe; they're not responsible for what those other Muslims believe; and, they shouldn't be expected to apologize for what other Muslims believe. We don't demand that all Christians speak out against and apologize for the Phelps family's idiocy or Christians that murder abortion doctors. Nor do we expect all Jews to apologize for some of the, at best, questionable actions of Israel. We shouldn't force peaceful Muslims to identify with and make apologies for Muslim extremists. Extremism IS becoming a problem. One more reason not to demonize an entire group of people because of the actions of a few. Quote
Mr.Canada Posted March 12, 2011 Author Report Posted March 12, 2011 Extremism IS becoming a problem. One more reason not to demonize an entire group of people because of the actions of a few. Oh I quite agree, not every Muslim is a terrorist. I suspect many more sympathize with the Jihadists though. We need to be very clear here. It's Radical Islam that is the biggest, most serious problem at present in the world. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
CANADIEN Posted March 12, 2011 Report Posted March 12, 2011 Oh I quite agree, not every Muslim is a terrorist. But we should treat all of them as potential terrorists, right? Quote
Mr.Canada Posted March 12, 2011 Author Report Posted March 12, 2011 But we should treat all of them as potential terrorists, right? Not at all. I think it's ok to be careful in order to protect society. However the left would prefer if we played games and danced around t he obvious. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
Scotty Posted March 12, 2011 Report Posted March 12, 2011 (edited) Radical Christians have already started attacking abortion clinics and murdering abortion killers. Right. We can see by this list of terrorist incidents last year that many religions are involved in terrorist incidents. Although, maybe it's just my impression, but one religious group seems to be rather prominent... Terrorist Incidents 2010 Edited March 12, 2011 by Scotty Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
CANADIEN Posted March 12, 2011 Report Posted March 12, 2011 (edited) Right. We can see by this list of terrorist incidents last year that many religions are involved in terrorist incidents. Although, maybe it's just my impression, but one religious group seems to be rather prominent... Terrorist Incidents 2010 The issue is not who does more of what. The issue is that terrorism is to be faced, confronted and defeated no matter who does it, how many they are, how many they kill, and what there excuse is. None can be, or should be ignored or shrugged away because "that other group did worse". Nor should killing s of abortion doctors or attacks on abortion clinics be treated as anything other than what it is, terrorism. Edited March 12, 2011 by CANADIEN Quote
betsy Posted March 12, 2011 Report Posted March 12, 2011 Nobody here has said that, or anything even remotely closed to that. If that's what you read in ANY of my postings, go have your eyes examined. Then why bring up Christians as a rebuttal? You know that by just sheer statistics alone....your response is....irrelevant, and that's me trying to be polite, trying hard not to follow your lead by resorting to juvenile name-callings. Why sass me when I'm only responding and pointing out the....absurdness....of your rebutt! So I take it you 're not happy with my explanation? People who murder abortion doctors are terrorists. Plain and simple. I have said before that nobody here has defended terrorists. I stand corrected... you just did. And I explained to you why you cannot compare the two. The motives of the two radical groups are poles apart. In fact they turn to opposite directions. Whereas the Christian radicals - be it terrorism or not - are killing to defend, to save lives....Muslim radicals, on the other hand, are killing for the sake of killing, to exterminate. And btw, in case you are tmepted to make yourself even more odious by claiming otherwise, I am completely and 100% opposed to abortion. I'm glad to hear that. Quote
GostHacked Posted March 12, 2011 Report Posted March 12, 2011 (edited) Whereas the Christian radicals - be it terrorism or not - are killing to defend, to save lives....Muslim radicals, on the other hand, are killing for the sake of killing, to exterminate. On par with many of your other rediculous statements. Killing to defend, or killing for the sake of killing has the same result. Go back to your abortion thread. Edited March 12, 2011 by GostHacked Quote
betsy Posted March 12, 2011 Report Posted March 12, 2011 (edited) The issue is not who does more of what. The issue is that terrorism is to be faced, confronted and defeated no matter who does it, how many they are, how many they kill, and what there excuse is. None can be, or should be ignored or shrugged away because "that other group did worse". Nor should killing s of abortion doctors or attacks on abortion clinics be treated as anything other than what it is, terrorism. Well I guess I have to agree with you here. Of course, one thing we have to face is the fact that seeing how effective Islamist terrorism is in its intimidating method (as we can see how media seem to shy away from really tackling it), surely other groups or individuals are likely to be inspired by this method. Islamist terrorism is the most potent right now - not that I'm dismissing other terrorist acts by other groups for whatever reasons they may have - but obviously it is Islamist terrorism that is front and center and all over the world. Therefore it is imperative for governments to face this head-on and deal with it....otherwise acts of terrorism will just be another normal course of action by anyone who want to enforce something or get anything. Edited March 12, 2011 by betsy Quote
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