Mr.Canada Posted March 11, 2011 Report Posted March 11, 2011 Is violence in the name of Allah really the work of separate dissidents removed from the religion as a whole or is it a central part? This is the question that we will examine in this thread and is the reason for this thread. To discuss whether Islam is truly a religion of peace or not. It's important to know the difference. Mohammad is the model of what all Muslims aspire to be like. Mohammad is viewed in Islam to be the perfect man. Mohammad wiped out all the Jews from Saudi Arabia. Mohammad himself tortured Jews in order to find out where their goods were. This is from the book, the Hadith a book to help in understanding the Koran. Mohammad himself beheaded between 600-900 people. If he is the example for Muslims then Muslims are acting as God when they behead people. We see beheading happening more and more in the west. In Saudi Arabia they behead people all the time because Mohammad did the same thing. So it would seem that Muslims that commit beheading and violence in Allah's name are following true Islam. It seems to be a central tenant of true Islam to suppress Christianity and Judaism in order to impose the rule of Allah all over the world. The true Islam as practiced by Mohammad in the early days of Islam. The prophet Mohammad wiped out the Jews From Saudi Arabia by beheading. He personally beheaded 600-900 of them. Mohammad is the model by which all Muslims measure themselves as Mohammad is the perfect man. True Muslims strive to be like Mohammad which explains why Muslims behead people, because Mohammad beheaded people. Most people don't understand how Islam works. There are two parts of the Koran, Mecca and Medina. Mecca contains all the peaceful passages that politicians like to quote as it was written while Mohammad lived along side Jews And Christians and had no real political power. Medina was written while Mohammad had considerable power and was conquering and deals more with violence and war like themes. Many people also don't know that the Koran wasn't arranged in any real order when put together, its books were simply binded from shortest to the longest books. The ninth book is the only book of the Koran that doesn't begin wit ha blessing of Peace from Mohammad. It contains passages stating that true Muslims need to seek out and literally 'kill' Christians and Jews when they pass them. This is why Islamists are called Muslim Fundamentalists because they follow the literal words of the Koran as commanded by Mohammad. There is also another book used to understand the Koran called the Hadith which explains 101 types of Jihad. While it's true that the term Jihad means "my struggle", Mein Kempf translates to the exact same thing "my struggle". Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
scouterjim Posted March 11, 2011 Report Posted March 11, 2011 Is violence in the name of Allah really the work of separate dissidents removed from the religion as a whole or is it a central part? This is the question that we will examine in this thread and is the reason for this thread. To discuss whether Islam is truly a religion of peace or not. It's important to know the difference. Mohammad is the model of what all Muslims aspire to be like. Mohammad is viewed in Islam to be the perfect man. Mohammad wiped out all the Jews from Saudi Arabia. Mohammad himself tortured Jews in order to find out where their goods were. This is from the book, the Hadith a book to help in understanding the Koran. Mohammad himself beheaded between 600-900 people. If he is the example for Muslims then Muslims are acting as God when they behead people. We see beheading happening more and more in the west. In Saudi Arabia they behead people all the time because Mohammad did the same thing. So it would seem that Muslims that commit beheading and violence in Allah's name are following true Islam. It seems to be a central tenant of true Islam to suppress Christianity and Judaism in order to impose the rule of Allah all over the world. The true Islam as practiced by Mohammad in the early days of Islam. The prophet Mohammad wiped out the Jews From Saudi Arabia by beheading. He personally beheaded 600-900 of them. Mohammad is the model by which all Muslims measure themselves as Mohammad is the perfect man. True Muslims strive to be like Mohammad which explains why Muslims behead people, because Mohammad beheaded people. Most people don't understand how Islam works. There are two parts of the Koran, Mecca and Medina. Mecca contains all the peaceful passages that politicians like to quote as it was written while Mohammad lived along side Jews And Christians and had no real political power. Medina was written while Mohammad had considerable power and was conquering and deals more with violence and war like themes. Many people also don't know that the Koran wasn't arranged in any real order when put together, its books were simply binded from shortest to the longest books. The ninth book is the only book of the Koran that doesn't begin wit ha blessing of Peace from Mohammad. It contains passages stating that true Muslims need to seek out and literally 'kill' Christians and Jews when they pass them. This is why Islamists are called Muslim Fundamentalists because they follow the literal words of the Koran as commanded by Mohammad. There is also another book used to understand the Koran called the Hadith which explains 101 types of Jihad. While it's true that the term Jihad means "my struggle", Mein Kempf translates to the exact same thing "my struggle". Quote I have captured the rare duct taped platypus.
scouterjim Posted March 11, 2011 Report Posted March 11, 2011 (edited) Is violence in the name of Allah really the work of separate dissidents removed from the religion as a whole or is it a central part? This is the question that we will examine in this thread and is the reason for this thread. To discuss whether Islam is truly a religion of peace or not. It's important to know the difference. Mohammad is the model of what all Muslims aspire to be like. Mohammad is viewed in Islam to be the perfect man. Mohammad wiped out all the Jews from Saudi Arabia. Mohammad himself tortured Jews in order to find out where their goods were. This is from the book, the Hadith a book to help in understanding the Koran. Mohammad himself beheaded between 600-900 people. If he is the example for Muslims then Muslims are acting as God when they behead people. We see beheading happening more and more in the west. In Saudi Arabia they behead people all the time because Mohammad did the same thing. So it would seem that Muslims that commit beheading and violence in Allah's name are following true Islam. It seems to be a central tenant of true Islam to suppress Christianity and Judaism in order to impose the rule of Allah all over the world. The true Islam as practiced by Mohammad in the early days of Islam. The prophet Mohammad wiped out the Jews From Saudi Arabia by beheading. He personally beheaded 600-900 of them. Mohammad is the model by which all Muslims measure themselves as Mohammad is the perfect man. True Muslims strive to be like Mohammad which explains why Muslims behead people, because Mohammad beheaded people. most don't realize the books of the Bible were chosen because they were the only ones acceptable to the church. Most people don't understand how Islam works. There are two parts of the Koran, Mecca and Medina. Mecca contains all the peaceful passages that politicians like to quote as it was written while Mohammad lived along side Jews And Christians and had no real political power. Medina was written while Mohammad had considerable power and was conquering and deals more with violence and war like themes. Many people also don't know that the Koran wasn't arranged in any real order when put together, its books were simply binded from shortest to the longest books. The ninth book is the only book of the Koran that doesn't begin wit ha blessing of Peace from Mohammad. It contains passages stating that true Muslims need to seek out and literally 'kill' Christians and Jews when they pass them. This is why Islamists are called Muslim Fundamentalists because they follow the literal words of the Koran as commanded by Mohammad. There is also another book used to understand the Koran called the Hadith which explains 101 types of Jihad. While it's true that the term Jihad means "my struggle", Mein Kempf translates to the exact same thing "my struggle". Few realize that the books of the New Testament were chosen because they were the ones accepted by the church, and many other books were expunged. Edited March 11, 2011 by scouterjim Quote I have captured the rare duct taped platypus.
Mr.Canada Posted March 11, 2011 Author Report Posted March 11, 2011 Few realize that the books of the New Testament were chosen because they were the ones accepted by the church, and many other books were expunged. Wow, everyone is so afraid to even talk about Islam...this is incredible. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
Michael Hardner Posted March 11, 2011 Report Posted March 11, 2011 Wow, everyone is so afraid to even talk about Islam...this is incredible. I wanted to talk about Islam, but you ran away from my question. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
Mr.Canada Posted March 11, 2011 Author Report Posted March 11, 2011 I wanted to talk about Islam, but you ran away from my question. If you can talk about what I wrote in this thread go ahead. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
Michael Hardner Posted March 11, 2011 Report Posted March 11, 2011 Ok. Is violence in the name of Allah really the work of separate dissidents removed from the religion as a whole or is it a central part? The first one. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
Mr.Canada Posted March 11, 2011 Author Report Posted March 11, 2011 Ok. The first one. The entire religion was born out of violence. When Muslims are boys their mothers smash swords against their heads until it bleeds because of what it says in the Koran. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
Michael Hardner Posted March 11, 2011 Report Posted March 11, 2011 The entire religion was born out of violence. When Muslims are boys their mothers smash swords against their heads until it bleeds because of what it says in the Koran. Really. Ok, well... have a good thread then. I'm not here to knock down your silly stories about Muslim mothers smashing their children's heads. If you want to stir it up, you're just going to be mocked and eventually ignored. When somebody on the street is screaming like a lunatic people cross to the other side. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
CANADIEN Posted March 11, 2011 Report Posted March 11, 2011 The entire religion was born out of violence. When Muslims are boys their mothers smash swords against their heads until it bleeds because of what it says in the Koran. You realize of course that this practice (which, in case you are tempted to make a foul of yourself AGAIN by claiming otherwise, I abhor) is a ritual one, performed only at specific times, and most importantly is formed by the MINORITY Shiites. Which means... most Muslims don't do this. Quote
Shwa Posted March 11, 2011 Report Posted March 11, 2011 Is violence in the name of Allah really the work of separate dissidents removed from the religion as a whole or is it a central part? The overwhelming proof given by the sum total of the worldwide population of peaceful Muslim practioners deems that "violence in the name of Allah" is an abberation or certainly not more of a common practice derived from the whole than any other major religious group. This is the question that we will examine in this thread and is the reason for this thread. To discuss whether Islam is truly a religion of peace or not. It's important to know the difference. See point above. It is a peaceful religion compared to any other. Mohammad is the model of what all Muslims aspire to be like. Mohammad is viewed in Islam to be the perfect man. Mohammad wiped out all the Jews from Saudi Arabia. You have no proof that "Mohammad wiped out all the Jews from Saudi Arabia" except from a holy that is likely highly fraught with fiction. Mohammad himself tortured Jews in order to find out where their goods were. This is from the book, the Hadith a book to help in understanding the Koran. Mohammad himself beheaded between 600-900 people. If he is the example for Muslims then Muslims are acting as God when they behead people. The incentive is for you to prove this to be true outside the "history" given in a holy book that is highly fraught with fiction. While you might be able to successfully connect a means of capital punishment to the Koran, there is no direct link between the unproven acts - and therefore simply alleged - of Mohammad. We see beheading happening more and more in the west. In Saudi Arabia they behead people all the time because Mohammad did the same thing. One form of capital punishment is as bad as any other. A clean beheading is likely a relatively humane way for capital punishment if there could be such a thing. So it would seem that Muslims that commit beheading and violence in Allah's name are following true Islam. There is only a tiny fraction of Muslims committing beheading and this has likely always been the case. For Islamic states, it is a culturally sanctioned form of capital punishment. It seems to be a central tenant of true Islam to suppress Christianity and Judaism in order to impose the rule of Allah all over the world. The true Islam as practiced by Mohammad in the early days of Islam. You have no proof of the historicity of Mohammed or his alleged practices other than a holy book fraught with fiction. As for the "central tenant" of Islam to "suppress" other religions, well, there are Western sources that corrorborate that at certain times Islamic people and Christians & Jews lived peacefully with one another; other times Islamic forces were in defence of their territory; other times Islamic forces was a guise for Imperialism. The prophet Mohammad wiped out the Jews From Saudi Arabia by beheading. He personally beheaded 600-900 of them. Mohammad is the model by which all Muslims measure themselves as Mohammad is the perfect man. True Muslims strive to be like Mohammad which explains why Muslims behead people, because Mohammad beheaded people. Since you cannot come up with independent sources for your history your assertion can only be for alleged behavior of Mohammad and a culturally sanctioned practice for capital punishment based on a holy book that is fraught with fiction. Most people don't understand how Islam works. There are two parts of the Koran, Mecca and Medina. Mecca contains all the peaceful passages that politicians like to quote as it was written while Mohammad lived along side Jews And Christians and had no real political power. Medina was written while Mohammad had considerable power and was conquering and deals more with violence and war like themes. The Koran is a holy book fraught with fiction and most intelligent people would not considering such a single source as any indication of a complete and comprehensive records with some other independent sources. The phenomenon of religion has many such holy books created for the purposes of recording hero-myths stories passed among the people. Many people also don't know that the Koran wasn't arranged in any real order when put together, its books were simply binded from shortest to the longest books. The ninth book is the only book of the Koran that doesn't begin wit ha blessing of Peace from Mohammad. It contains passages stating that true Muslims need to seek out and literally 'kill' Christians and Jews when they pass them. See above. Any holy book coming under scrutiny will reveal that the claim of authority for the content of the book is always highly suspect from a literal point of view. If you are not familiar with the motifs, symbols and memes of a particular religion or culture, your examination of a holy book on a literal basis borders on the absurd. This is why Islamists are called Muslim Fundamentalists because they follow the literal words of the Koran as commanded by Mohammad. See my point above. The advantage and disadvantage is that their understanding of the holy book is not much better than yours. There is also another book used to understand the Koran called the Hadith which explains 101 types of Jihad. While it's true that the term Jihad means "my struggle", Mein Kempf translates to the exact same thing "my struggle". A mere coincidence of the English language and nothing more. Quote
Mr.Canada Posted March 11, 2011 Author Report Posted March 11, 2011 (edited) Really. Ok, well... have a good thread then. I'm not here to knock down your silly stories about Muslim mothers smashing their children's heads. If you want to stir it up, you're just going to be mocked and eventually ignored. You cannot disprove what I am saying so instead of admitting I'm right you'd rather not have a conversation. However I can prove it. It's called Tatbir when Muslims men and mothers hit themselves and their children on the head with a sword until it bleeds. So before you go off calling me names try getting the facts Michael. You don't even know what's going on yet you're ready to call me a liar. You realize of course that this practice (which, in case you are tempted to make a foul of yourself AGAIN by claiming otherwise, I abhor) is a ritual one, performed only at specific times, and most importantly is formed by the MINORITY Shiites. Which means... most Muslims don't do this. This still means that about 100+ Million Muslims do practice that. That isn't a small number, thats 3 times of the entire population of Canada. You're missing it Shwa. I'm not here to prove or disprove any religions texts or history. It's not important, what is important is that fundamentalist Muslims believe what is contained in the Koran and Kidith and practice it, literally. These are the people and leaders of Saudi Arabia, the people who flew planes into the WTC, who blew up metros and buses in London, Madrid, Russia. The same people who blew up an airport in Russia. Who killed an author in the streets of the Netherlands, who threatened to kill a Parliamentarian in the same country. This form of Radical Islam is spreading. We had homegrown Radical Muslims arrested and convicted here in Canada who were plotting to blow up the TSX and another who planned to behead the PM. Many people do not take these people seriously, it will be their mistake. It seems like Radical Islam won't be taken seriously by people until something terrible has occurred. I guess Canada needs its own 9-11 to wake people up to reality. It's sad that so many will have to die before we take action. One of these days Radical Islam is going to blow up something in Canada, it's going to happen so don' t think it won't. Will Canada be ready to respond? or, which is more likely, we will just make excuses for their actions saying that they were poor and that made them do it. Their are mosques in Canada preaching this brand of Radical Islam, we need to start monitoring these mosques and shutting down the ones who are promoting violence against the Canadian people. Unless you want our own 9-11 to occur here in Canada. In that case keep doing nothing. Edited March 11, 2011 by Mr.Canada Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
Michael Hardner Posted March 11, 2011 Report Posted March 11, 2011 You cannot disprove what I am saying so instead of admitting I'm right you'd rather not have a conversation. However I can prove it. It's called Tatbir when Muslims men and mothers hit themselves and their children on the head with a sword until it bleeds. So before you go off calling me names try getting the facts Michael. You don't even know what's going on yet you're ready to call me a liar. I'm not calling you a liar, or any other name. I'm saying you come on here and shout unsupported opinions and expect others to disprove them. We're not here to disprove your opinions. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
Mr.Canada Posted March 11, 2011 Author Report Posted March 11, 2011 I'm not calling you a liar, or any other name. I'm saying you come on here and shout unsupported opinions and expect others to disprove them. We're not here to disprove your opinions. I just gave you fact. You didn't believe me when I said Muslim men and mothers are hitting childrens head until they bleed. I just proved it correct. So instead of creating more strawmen try talking about the topic. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
Michael Hardner Posted March 11, 2011 Report Posted March 11, 2011 I just gave you fact. You didn't believe me when I said Muslim men and mothers are hitting childrens head until they bleed. I just proved it correct. So instead of creating more strawmen try talking about the topic. I brought up the page, searched for 'mother' and 'children' and found no instance of what you're talking about. In any case, it's not relevant. Catholics believe they're eating Jesus' flesh at communion - does that mean that millions of people in North America are crazy ? No. Like I say, you're coming here with a head full of steam and emoting all over the place. It's not interesting to people who don't live inside your head. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
Shwa Posted March 11, 2011 Report Posted March 11, 2011 You're missing it Shwa.I'm not here to prove or disprove any religions texts or history. It's not important, what is important is that fundamentalist Muslims believe what is contained in the Koran and Kidith and practice it, literally. No, you're missing it. I think I have ransacked your argument fairly easily and it depends on the historicity of your opinion of Mohammad through the use of a semi-fictional holy book. If this is all a workaround for you to admit that your historicity is completely wrong, then I accept your admittance of defeat. The rest of your argument is pure speculation based on unfounded and over-emotionalized fear. Quote
Mr.Canada Posted March 11, 2011 Author Report Posted March 11, 2011 No, you're missing it. I think I have ransacked your argument fairly easily and it depends on the historicity of your opinion of Mohammad through the use of a semi-fictional holy book. If this is all a workaround for you to admit that your historicity is completely wrong, then I accept your admittance of defeat. The rest of your argument is pure speculation based on unfounded and over-emotionalized fear. This thread isn't about me. It isn't about you and how you think about their Holy texts. It's about how Radical Muslims interpret their religious texts. That's what you need to open your eyes to. Your prejudice of me is clouding your judgment. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
Shwa Posted March 11, 2011 Report Posted March 11, 2011 This thread isn't about me. It isn't about you and how you think about their Holy texts. It's about how Radical Muslims interpret their religious texts. That's what you need to open your eyes to. Your prejudice of me is clouding your judgment. Nope. I already provided you with an answer to your question right from the get-go, including radical Muslims. Others have clearly done this also. Now it is deteriorated to a point where the only thing less to discuss is your over-emotionalized fear of Muslims. Why do you fear them where there really isn't any reason to? Were you bullied in high school? Quote
Mr.Canada Posted March 11, 2011 Author Report Posted March 11, 2011 Nope. I already provided you with an answer to your question right from the get-go, including radical Muslims. Others have clearly done this also. You keep mentioning the Koran is a Holy Book fraught with fiction. Radical Muslims do not consider it fiction which is much more important then what you or I think. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
GostHacked Posted March 11, 2011 Report Posted March 11, 2011 You keep mentioning the Koran is a Holy Book fraught with fiction. Radical Muslims do not consider it fiction which is much more important then what you or I think. All holy books are works of fiction. Even the Christian bible. Quote
Mr.Canada Posted March 11, 2011 Author Report Posted March 11, 2011 All holy books are works of fiction. Even the Christian bible. This thread is about how Radical Muslims interpret their Holy Book. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
GostHacked Posted March 11, 2011 Report Posted March 11, 2011 This thread is about how Radical Muslims interpret their Holy Book. No this thread is about how you hate Muslims and Islam in general. In FACT many of these threads about the same topic you started, prove that. You don't want to debate, you just want a venue to rant. At least be honest with yourself, if you can't then, you really are hopeless. Quote
Shwa Posted March 11, 2011 Report Posted March 11, 2011 You keep mentioning the Koran is a Holy Book fraught with fiction. Radical Muslims do not consider it fiction which is much more important then what you or I think. I answered you from the get-go and now I am just repeating myself. But, oh well... The overwhelming proof given by the sum total of the worldwide population of peaceful Muslim practioners deems that "violence in the name of Allah" is an abberation or certainly not more of a common practice derived from the whole than any other major religious group. Quote
Shakeyhands Posted March 11, 2011 Report Posted March 11, 2011 It's obvious really. Linky We have too many threads/posts of the same type. Why encourage it? Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Mr.Canada Posted March 11, 2011 Author Report Posted March 11, 2011 I answered you from the get-go and now I am just repeating myself. But, oh well... What percentage of Muslims would say are Radical? Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
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