Traditional family values.

[Michael Hardner]

Given all the world's time zones end at the North Pole, which 12 noon are you going to use?

Asking that question may indeed cause the computer to explode.

[cybercoma]

Mr. Canada, do you choose not to have gay sex?

[Black Dog]

Mr. Canada, do you choose not to have gay sex?

He only chooses to film it.

[Oleg Bach]

Given all the world's time zones end at the North Pole, which 12 noon are you going to use?

The one agreed too by both parties envolved. That's called a contract.

[Bitsy]

If I tell you I will meet you at the North Pole at 12 noon..on Friday...I will be there at 11:30.............because I have empathy...because I have honour and I actually care about you and the world...Most people these day simply do not even show up or call...because a culture of contempt and disrepect for your fellows is offically institutionalized - and our teaching system thinks it is just fine.

How can you blame the school system if someone does not show up in time for a scheduled meeting? Schools run on the clock, there are consequences for tardiness. I suggest that you look at the family for the scapegoat in that one. Schools also have consequences for disrespecting one's fellow student and teachers; I think you are looking for blame in the wrong places

[Oleg Bach]

Kids are trained not to respect others and not to respect themselves...look at the new family values that are emerging. SIR -- and what a title for Elton John that stubby little man who now calles himself a father and some younger guy his husband...I don't get it...The play "Billy Elliot" - has men dancing in tutus...which are female atire...so make the man a woman - the woman a man the adult a child and the child an adult....and a man a mother...........I imagine that the NEW emerging family values are based on equality and fairness..well we will all be equal under this new system - equally poor - equally disempowered and equally de-sexed.........I don't like it...but I can't say that.....or this new value system will destroy the non-compliant ones that don't want to tolerate what they simply do not like..................THE NEW LAW WILL BE - YOU MUST LIKE EVERYTHING.

[Bitsy]

I have never read so much animosity against gays as I am reading in some of these threads. It makes me question if those expressing these fears know any on a personal basis. I have two cousins, male and female, both gay and they are self-sustaining, productive, loving and caring people; they have no agenda, they only want the same rights as all other citizens. I have known, socialized and worked with gays for 50+plus years and most share the same family vlaues and morals as any straights that I know...actually, they exhibit more than many of the straights that I know.

[Black Dog]

These days, a kid is likely to see a video of a woman having sex with a horse on the internet long before they get to the naughty bits of sex ed Mr. Canada and the Focus on the Fucking (sorry, Family) pals are so up in arms about.

[The_Squid]

If one wants to live by "traditional family values", you are free to do so. Why should I, or anyone else, live by your code of conduct? The "demise of the family" is not leading to moral decay. In fact, I don't even agree that there is some sort of moral decay happening.

And anyone that uses "the gays" as an example of moral decay has their head firmly planted up their arse. That is simply a bigotted, unreasoned example drawn from an opinion.... not from any facts.

It makes me question if those expressing these fears know any on a personal basis.

I don't think that one needs a personal relationship with a gay person for one not to be a bigot. These people would still be arse-holes even if their brother, cousin or mom were gay, I think...

[ToadBrother]

He only chooses to film it.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

[Bitsy]

I don't think that one needs a personal relationship with a gay person for one not to be a bigot. These people would still be arse-holes even if their brother, cousin or mom were gay, I think...

How sad is that

[cybercoma]

He only chooses to film it.

...and keeps it in his personal collection because he sure as heck hasn't shared it yet like he said he would.

[Mr.Canada]

If one wants to live by "traditional family values", you are free to do so. Why should I, or anyone else, live by your code of conduct? The "demise of the family" is not leading to moral decay. In fact, I don't even agree that there is some sort of moral decay happening.

And anyone that uses "the gays" as an example of moral decay has their head firmly planted up their arse. That is simply a bigotted, unreasoned example drawn from an opinion.... not from any facts.

I don't think that one needs a personal relationship with a gay person for one not to be a bigot. These people would still be arse-holes even if their brother, cousin or mom were gay, I think...

Since the 1950's single parent families have sky rocketed. In that same period so has crime. Most of these single parent families are families with absent fathers. These families are also mostly in non white neighborhoods where crime is running rampant with crack dealing and guns. There is certainly a link between single mother families and sky rocketing crime.

The gay population has also exploded during the same period of "social enlightenment". The gay population champion single sex parent families modeled after single mother families. the gay population also embraces a party/rave lifestyle, promiscuous sexual relationships and the HIV is spreading through the homosexual population at an alarming rate compared to the rest of society.

Further more being gay is a choice, they aren't born that way, they choose to live that lifestyle.

These are two examples. If these are an example of a thriving, moral, ethical society then I'm afraid my own view points differ from some of the posters here.

Edited March 3, 2011 by Mr.Canada

[segnosaur]

Since the 1950's single parent families have sky rocketed. In that same period so has crime.

Actually, no it hasn't.

Crime rates did increase for a while, but since the early 90s there has been a pretty steady decrease in property crimes and larceny.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Propertycrime-us.svg

[wyly]

Since the 1950's single parent families have sky rocketed. In that same period so has crime. Most of these single parent families are families with absent fathers. These families are also mostly in non white neighborhoods where crime is running rampant with crack dealing and guns. There is certainly a link between single mother families and sky rocketing crime.

the crime link is not single mothers but poverty...and crime is decreasing because most of our criminals are non immigrants and as the population ages the rate of crime decreases most of our criminals were from the canadian boomer generation...

The gay population has also exploded during the same period of "social enlightenment". The gay population champion single sex parent families modeled after single mother families. the gay population also embraces a party/rave lifestyle, promiscuous sexual relationships and the HIV is spreading through the homosexual population at an alarming rate compared to the rest of society.

the number of gays in the population is constant the only change is that gays no longer fear being in the open...

Further more being gay is a choice, they aren't born that way, they choose to live that lifestyle.

despite your uninformed facts being gay is an absolutely natural biological state, I defy you to present evidence to the contrary...

[Mr.Canada]

Actually, no it hasn't.

Crime rates did increase for a while, but since the early 90s there has been a pretty steady decrease in property crimes and larceny.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Propertycrime-us.svg

Look at crime rates for Canada from the 1960's to today. It is 300% higher now then it was in 1960.

Just my opinion. Some may agree some may disagree. I'm not here to change anyones mind just to put my own views out there to curb my boredom while working.

Edited March 3, 2011 by Mr.Canada

[cybercoma]

Since the 1950's single parent families have sky rocketed. In that same period so has crime.

post hoc

the HIV is spreading through the homosexual population at an alarming rate compared to the rest of society.

Actually, HIV spreads because people engage in particular risky behaviours. Women, babies and drug-users are all at risk. It's not a "gay disease"... welcome to 1990.

Further more being gay is a choice, they aren't born that way, they choose to live that lifestyle.

If being gay is a choice, do you consciously make the choice to be not gay?

[wyly]

Look at crime rates for Canada from the 1960's to today. It is 300% higher now then it was in 1960.

Just my opinion. Some may agree some may disagree. I'm not here to change anyones mind just to put my own views out there to curb my boredom while working.

I question your 300% increase do you have something to back that up?....no coincidence there was an increase from 1960 to 1995, those were our Canadian boomer generation not immigrants at work...and the rate falls as the boomers age and die off...

[cybercoma]

Fear and ignorance lead to hate and that's not very Christian.

[Black Dog]

The gay population has also exploded during the same period of "social enlightenment".

So what caused this sudden rainbow explosion?

The gay population champion single sex parent families modeled after single mother families.

So in your view, two same sex parents=one hetero parent?

[Mr.Canada]

Society benefits when the complete family unit is together. That unit being one woman, one man and child. Society degrades when the number of complete family units falls.

This is all imho. Some of you may agree with me and some may disagree. I am here to voice my views on the issues.

Edited March 3, 2011 by Mr.Canada

[cybercoma]

Actually, society benefits when a child is in a loving and supporting environment, regardless of the gender, sexual orientation or number of parents in his/her life. In other words, it has nothing to do with how the family is structured and everything to do with the functionality of the family and the family environment.

Edited March 3, 2011 by cybercoma

[segnosaur]

Society benefits when the complete family unit is together. That unit being one woman, one man and child. Society degrades when the number of complete family units falls.

Actually, its been found that children raised in households run by homosexuals are just as well adjusted socially as those raised in your traditional 'nuclear family'.

From: http://www.canada.com/theprovince/news/story.html?id=38cc20ce-7f14-44ea-b4d9-d4cd16d7a269&k=9378

the strongest conclusion that can be drawn from empirical literature is that the vast majority of studies show that children living with two mothers and children living with a mother and father have the same levels and qualities of social competence. "A few studies suggest that children with two lesbian mothers may have marginally better social competence than children in ‘traditional nuclear’ families..."

From: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/living-single/200901/children-single-mothers-how-do-they-really-fare

What about grades? Relationships with siblings and friends? There's research on those questions, too. In a nationally representative sample of many different kinds of households...there were no differences at all. What mattered was NOT how many parents there were....Instead, whether children had problems with their grades or with their siblings or friends depended on whether there was a lot of conflict within families, high levels of disagreements between parents, or endless arguments between parents and kids.

Yeah, there are plenty of studies that show single parent households sometimes do worse than 2 parent households, but you seem to have the cause and effect wrong. Its not the "single parent" issue that's causing the problems, its the initial conflict, which would have been there whether the parents stayed together or got divorced.

[CANADIEN]

Since the 1950's single parent families have sky rocketed. In that same period so has crime.

And you have the stats to suport this claim?

The gay population has also exploded during the same period of "social enlightenment".

Correction. The number of gay people who live in the closet and pretend to be who they are not has increased.

The gay population champion single sex parent families modeled after single mother families.

News to you. A family with two parents, regardless of their gender or sexual orientation, is different from families with one parent.

Further more being gay is a choice, they aren't born that way, they choose to live that lifestyle.

Nope. How people deal with their sexual orientation is a choice. What their orientation is isn't.

[capricorn]

I'm not here to change anyones mind just to put my own views out there to curb my boredom while working.

You're bored? Are you a telemarketer by any chance?