Palin Event Cancelled for Safety Reasons

guyser · February 10, 2011

Criticizing people for cancelling an event for security reasons?

Keep digging shady, the humour is getting rave reviews.

The organizers dropped the ticket price in half.....still couldnt sell.

Having a "security" reason to cancel, and yea, we all know thats bullshit, lets them invoke the clause in their insurance policy to re-coup the losses.

But hey , keep digging, or go outside and count the Toronto garbage trucks rolling by.

Bitsy · February 10, 2011

Gifford's shooter threatened to kill her back in 2007.

Would like to see your substantiation for this provided you have any.

Shady · February 10, 2011

It seems to me that the type of information you are suggesting they have would fall under the heading "specific threat."

Not if the threat was anonymous. Are you people seriously this obtuse?

No, we're criticizing a two-bit group for using security reasons as an excuse to cancel an event when there were no actual threats according to both police and the organizers.

Once again, we don't know what the threats might or might not have been. Sad.

Keep digging shady, the humour is getting rave reviews.

Keep speculating guyser, the humour is getting rave reviews.

Would like to see your substantiation for this provided you have any.

If you keep yourself informed, it allows one to post on topics they have a greater knowledge of. It helps quite a bit.

After the shooting, investigators searched a safe connected to the shooting suspect, Jared Lee Loughner, and found a letter apparently sent to him by Ms. Giffords's office thanking him for previously attending a similar "Congress on your corner" event in 2007.
Much remains unknown about what motivated Mr. Loughner, who is in custody. But the initial evidence, including the constituent letter, has led law enforcement officials to think that the suspect had been thinking about the congresswoman for years, according to people familiar with the case.

WSJ

Jan. 12 (Bloomberg) -- Jared Loughner, accused of shooting U.S. Representative Gabrielle Giffords in the Tucson, Arizona, attack that killed six people and wounded 14, wrote “die bitch” and “die cops” on a letter he received from the lawmaker in 2007, officials said.
Bloomberg

Bitsy · February 11, 2011

If you keep yourself informed, it allows one to post on topics they have a greater knowledge of. It helps quite a bit.

I knew you couldn't substantiate your uninformed opinion but courtesy demanded that I asked.

scribblet · February 11, 2011

If you keep yourself informed, it allows one to post on topics they have a greater knowledge of. It helps quite a bit.

Jan. 12 (Bloomberg) -- Jared Loughner, accused of shooting U.S. Representative Gabrielle Giffords in the Tucson, Arizona, attack that killed six people and wounded 14, wrote “die bitch” and “die cops” on a letter he received from the lawmaker in 2007, officials said.

Bloomberg

thanks for the informative link... truth about that event hurts.

It's strange how someone like Sarah Palin brings out the worst in people, such hate and malice, especially from Canadians who aren't invested in her, all we have to do look right here to see how supposedly intelligent people can turn into attack dogs throwing insults when the name Palin is mentioned. Nothing more than Comedy Central theatrics on here. LOL

It also shows how delicate the balance of free speech is when a planned onslaught of personal attacks is successful in silence her. It does show who doesn't believe in free speech, but what is worse, is that it worked, organizers caved in to hate.

Edited February 11, 2011 by scribblet

bloodyminded · February 11, 2011

thanks for the informative link... truth about that event hurts.

It's strange how someone like Sarah Palin brings out the worst in people, such hate and malice, especially from Canadians who aren't invested in her, all we have to do look right here to see how supposedly intelligent people can turn into attack dogs throwing insults when the name Palin is mentioned. Nothing more than Comedy Central theatrics on here. LOL

It also shows how delicate the balance of free speech is when a planned onslaught of personal attacks is successful in silence her. It does show who doesn't believe in free speech, but what is worse, is that it worked, organizers caved in to hate.

Since they said there were no threats, they "caved" to criticism and/or insults. There is no free speech issue here.

Shakeyhands · February 11, 2011

especially from Canadians who aren't invested in her

Everyone is invested in who leads the US, but of course you knew that, which baffles me as to why you would say it. If we were talking about some whacko from Ghana I would agree, but we're talking about a whacko from one of the the most powerful countries on Earth whose every move causes ripples and even waves the world over.

It also shows how delicate the balance of free speech is when a planned onslaught of personal attacks is successful in silence her. It does show who doesn't believe in free speech, but what is worse, is that it worked, organizers caved in to hate.

OH... it was a planned onslaught of personal attacks now (kinda like the CPC ads I suppose)that hurt her feelings?? Well no wonder they cancelled the event, don't want to upset Momma Grizz now do we!!!

I bet if, God forbid, she were to win the WH she'd probably have to quit half way through because people were saying mean things about her. Contrast that to Obama btw....

Shady · February 11, 2011

I knew you couldn't substantiate your uninformed opinion but courtesy demanded that I asked.

It's really fun kicking your teeth in, over and over.

Additionally, sources tell CBS News that Loughner had made threats in the past and even interacted with Giffords in 2007.
CBS

Doesn't it suck when your ideology gets crushed by reality! :lol:

Shady · February 11, 2011

I bet if, God forbid, she were to win the WH she'd probably have to quit half way through because people were saying mean things about her. Contrast that to Obama btw....

No doubt. Everyone should take your hypothetical situation as fact. :rolleyes:

Is it that time of the month again? (PDS) :lol:

BubberMiley · February 11, 2011

Doesn't it suck when your ideology gets crushed by reality!

You would certainly know. Keep inventing scenarios you admit yourself you "know nothing about." :lol:

jbg · February 11, 2011

The release says no direct threats were made against the former Alaska governor and vice presidential nominee, but cites last month’s tragic shootings in Tucson along with an “increase in negative rhetoric” that raises concerns for Palin’s safety.

Sadly, one of the problems after a mass attack by a psycho is the likelihood of attacks mimicking the horrendous original incident. After the "Son of Sam" murderer was arrested there were imitation random murders of couples snuggling in cars.

I think any organization without a huge budget and security detail must think twice about the possibility of "copycat carnage".

WIP · February 11, 2011

Since they said there were no threats, they "caved" to criticism and/or insults. There is no free speech issue here.

It's especially infuriating that these Palin worshippers are squawking about contrived threats, while their spokesmodel and other rightwing demagogues fill their speeches with violent rhetoric and threats to use guns if they can't get their way at the ballot box!

Bitsy · February 11, 2011

It's really fun kicking your teeth in, over and over.

Doesn't it suck when your ideology gets crushed by reality!

Only in your dreams, Shady, only in your dreams. Uh oh, is that s where Jared Loughner threatened Gabrielle Giffords? :rolleyes:

If you had bothered to read the rest of the article you linked, you would see that he had never threatened Giffords specifically but of course that does not fit into the altnernate universe you have created for yourself.

bloodyminded · February 11, 2011

Only in your dreams, Shady, only in your dreams. Uh oh, is that s where Jared Loughner threatened Gabrielle Giffords?

If you had bothered to read the rest of the article you linked, you would see that he had never threatened Giffords specifically but of course that does not fit into the altnernate universe you have created for yourself.

Black Dog · February 11, 2011

Not if the threat was anonymous. Are you people seriously this obtuse?

You're reaching badly here. Any actual threat, anonymous or otherwise, would constitute a specific threat. Do you think some psycho is going to send an engraved invitation with their name and time of assasination? :lol:

thanks for the informative link... truth about that event hurts.

It's strange how someone like Sarah Palin brings out the worst in people, such hate and malice, especially from Canadians who aren't invested in her, all we have to do look right here to see how supposedly intelligent people can turn into attack dogs throwing insults when the name Palin is mentioned. Nothing more than Comedy Central theatrics on here. LOL

It also shows how delicate the balance of free speech is when a planned onslaught of personal attacks is successful in silence her. It does show who doesn't believe in free speech, but what is worse, is that it worked, organizers caved in to hate.

Welp, at least you've come around to realize that the security concerns were bogus. I'm not sure this new line of argument makes you look any better, though.

Edited February 11, 2011 by Black Dog

Bitsy · February 11, 2011

Welp, at least you've come around to realize that the security concerns were bogus. I'm not sure this new line of argument makes you look any better, though.

No way , her free speech argument is as bogus as her security fantasy. Palin is not a victim in any sense of the word, and her free speech certainly has not been curtailed.....her speaking engagements from Jan to March.

Safari International Club, January 29, 2011, Reno, Nev.

Young America's Foundation, February 4, 2011, Santa Barbara, CA.

Long Island Association, Feb.17, 2011, Woodbury, LI, New York

Distinguished Speakers Series, March 23, 2011, Naples, FL

Shakeyhands · February 11, 2011

Distinguished Speakers Series, March 23, 2011, Naples, FL

LOLZZZZZZZ....

Shakeyhands · February 11, 2011

Is it that time of the month again? (PDS)

Such an assinine comment.

Bitsy · February 11, 2011

LOLZZZZZZZ....

agreed!!!

scribblet · February 11, 2011

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Welp, at least you've come around to realize that the security concerns were bogus. I'm not sure this new line of argument makes you look any better, though.

I didn't say they were bogus, obviously there was enough hate mail to raise security concerns for them, enough to cancel the event, supposition about the contents doesn't make it so, neither does it make people look any better for attempting to denigrate and downplay events relating to Palin. If it were anyone else, it would be a big deal.

While you may like the sport of excoriating Palin because you dislike her views it is reprehensible and irresponsible to summarily dismiss the facts of the Gifford case while continuing to hold Palin and supporters responsible for a lone gunman, when in proven fact, they were not.

As to 'worshiping Palin', where has anyone said they worship anyone, they haven't, just because people see the malicious crap and hate being spewed over the very mention of her name, does not mean they 'worship her'.

Bitsy · February 11, 2011

Such an assinine comment.

As was pointed out previously, PDS is the last refuge for those who are unable to offer reasoned analysis. Pass the sick bag, Alice!

scribblet · February 11, 2011

Not to mention the double standards. You can't claim that Palin's images and media messages are the root cause of the Gifford event because the nasty political messages and voices beget violence, then change your minds as soon there are hate messages etc. towards Palin. I suppose when directed at Palin, 'it's different' LOL You can't have it both ways.

Black Dog · February 11, 2011

I didn't say they were bogus, obviously there was enough hate mail to raise security concerns for them, enough to cancel the event,supposition about the contents doesn't make it so, neither does it make people look any better for attempting to denigrate and downplay events relating to Palin. If it were anyone else, it would be a big deal.

Proof?

I also enjoy how you keep circling back to the bullshit "double standard" line in the face of all the arguments and evidence. It's pretty clear at this point that neither security nor free speech issues had any bearing on the cancellation.

While you may like the sport of excoriating Palin because you dislike her views it is reprehensible and irresponsible to summarily dismiss the facts of the Gifford case while continuing to hold Palin and supporters responsible for a lone gunman, when in proven fact, they were not.

Funny thing: I have barely said a word about Palin here. My mockery has been aimed at the organization and folks like you and Shady who continue to miss the point with each and every post. Nor have I ever stated that Palin and her supporters were responsible for Tuscon. That's a hell of a strawman you have there.

As to 'worshiping Palin', where has anyone said they worship anyone, they haven't, just because people see the malicious crap and hate being spewed over the very mention of her name, does not mean they 'worship her'.

I have no idea who you're quoting here.

Black Dog · February 11, 2011

Not to mention the double standards. You can't claim that Palin's images and media messages are the root cause of the Gifford event because the nasty political messages and voices beget violence, then change your minds as soon there are hate messages etc. towards Palin. I suppose when directed at Palin, 'it's different' LOL You can't have it both ways.

Who's claiming that? Quotes or GTFO.

Bitsy · February 11, 2011

Who's claiming that? Quotes or GTFO.

I have to give the scriblett credit, when her original objective is refuted and shown to be bogus, she likes to change the subject...I guess detours work in some forums.