GWiz Posted February 23, 2011 Report Posted February 23, 2011 I think I did pretty well. I believe you have your fingers in your ears. I don't use my ears to read... You seem to... Might be the reason you lost... Seems you can't hear or see what YOU wrote either... Again, you lost... Live with it and move on to that reservation you are sentenced to... Live the life you advocate... Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
Jack Weber Posted February 23, 2011 Report Posted February 23, 2011 What was the crime I committed against them? What is the crime you are sentencing me for? Criminals do not have the right to the sanctity of person and property. Apparently I had my Utopian house inthe burbs and they moved in? How did I go to their space? We know that Jack Weber is a big Union rep so his position, his political viewpoint, is explainable from that perspective. Are you employed by the government, perhaps? Could you explain my political viewpoint?? I assume you mean,"The Lib/lib Left"? Because,other than my opposition to the free market,and the death penalty...I'm having a hrad time understanding where you're coming from?? Could you elucidate your opinion on my "political viewpoint"??? Please...Be specific... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
GWiz Posted February 23, 2011 Report Posted February 23, 2011 Could you explain my political viewpoint?? I assume you mean,"The Lib/lib Left"? Because,other than my opposition to the free market,and the death penalty...I'm having a hrad time understanding where you're coming from?? Could you elucidate your opinion on my "political viewpoint"??? Please...Be specific... Seriously... What is Pliny, like 10 yo and no education? I don't want to play with kids, they can easily get hurt you know... Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
Jack Weber Posted February 23, 2011 Report Posted February 23, 2011 (edited) Seriously... What is Pliny, like 10 yo and no education? I don't want to play with kids, they can easily get hurt you know... From what I've gleaned,(and he can disabuse of this notion if I'm incorrect),he seems to feel that if anyone is NOT a conservative libertarian espousing the "personal freedom" angle in all forms,is a memeber of the "socialist left"... He has previously stated that even Fascism comes out of the leftist mindset of gov't control... In other words,all totalitarian movements are "leftist" in their genesis...That's patently ridiculous,of course...And I can only chalk it up to someone who is ashamed to admit that the political right has a few totalitarian skeletons in its collective closet that some on that side are afraid to admit to... I don't think Generalissimmo Fransisco Franco was ever a memder of the "Republican Left" in Spain... He also does not seem to be cogniscent of the fact that unfettered Capitalism,in any form, is a form of totalitarianism...Unfettered Capitalism is as an egregious an economic nightmare as any extreme Marxist nightmare I can think of... Edited February 23, 2011 by Jack Weber Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
GWiz Posted February 23, 2011 Report Posted February 23, 2011 From what I've gleaned,(and he can disabuse of this notion if I'm incorrect),he seems to feel that if anyone is NOT a conservative libertarian espousing the "personal freedom" angle in all forms,is a memeber of the "socialist left"... He has previously stated that even Fascism comes out of the leftist mindset of gov't control... In other words,all totalitarian movements are "leftist" in their genesis...That's patently ridiculous,of course...And I can only chalk it up to someone who is ashamed to admit that the political right has a few totalitarian skeletons in its collective closet that some on that side are afraid to admit to... I don't think Generalissimmo Fransisco Franco was ever a memder of the "Republican Left" in Spain... He also does not seem to be cogniscent of the fact that unfettered Capitalism,in any form, is a form of totalitarianism...Unfettered Capitalism is as an egregious an economic nightmare as any extreme Marxist nightmare I can think of... Is there an age barier on this forum? Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
Jack Weber Posted February 23, 2011 Report Posted February 23, 2011 Is there an age barier on this forum? I'm not sure...But clearly there is'nt one for those with ideological blinders on... Giddyup!!! Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
GWiz Posted February 23, 2011 Report Posted February 23, 2011 I'm not sure...But clearly there is'nt one for those with ideological blinders on... Giddyup!!! The reason I asked was that I've been on a lot of (mainly American) boards and on this one a lot of the time it's like watching a Kindergarden Class debating who's turn it is to play with a certain toy... SOME of the people here seem OK and I've got no problem with them (you for example and BC, maybe up to a dozen others)... But beyond that I'm starting to think Canada may be in deep trouble much like the US already is because of a lack of common-sense by the public and Corporate control over Government by either US party... Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 23, 2011 Report Posted February 23, 2011 ....But beyond that I'm starting to think Canada may be in deep trouble much like the US already is because of a lack of common-sense by the public and Corporate control over Government by either US party... Well, look at the bright side: The vast majority of Americans don't know what happens in Canada, don't care, and don't care that they don't know! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
GWiz Posted February 23, 2011 Report Posted February 23, 2011 Well, look at the bright side: The vast majority of Americans don't know what happens in Canada, don't care, and don't care that they don't know! Ditto, and you got 15 less days than we do before the taxman cometh... Get busy, eh... Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
maple_leafs182 Posted February 23, 2011 Report Posted February 23, 2011 It isn't that totalitarianism comes from the left, the left encourages a welfare state and the right encourages a warfare state or a more coercive government. Both lead to bigger government which then has the potential to become a totalitarian state. You can't have totalitarianism if there isn't a strong central government already in place, that is where libertarianism comes in. Libertarians see decentralization as a good thing because it spreads power amongst more people instead of consolidating it. A stronger central government means a greater potential for having tyranny of the majority. An example of tyranny of the majority is marijuana prohibition, I know many people who enjoy smoking weed, they are productive members of society and do not harm others, yet due to the strong central government and tyranny of the majority, their liberties are taken away. Do you understand what I am saying? Quote │ _______ [███STOP███]▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ :::::::--------------Conservatives beleive ▄▅█FUNDING THIS█▅▄▃▂- - - - - --- -- -- -- -------- Liberals lie I██████████████████] ...◥⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙'(='.'=)' ⊙
pinko Posted February 23, 2011 Report Posted February 23, 2011 Thanks for making my point... If YOUR hypothethis for small government and individual autonomy were ever to occur that would be the result... The difference IS the Goverment along with the ENTIRE system of Government... Thanks for playing... You must have me confused with someone else. From my point of view government should play a very active role in our society. Quote
pinko Posted February 23, 2011 Report Posted February 23, 2011 What are collective rights? The only thing I can think of is the right of individuals to have freedom of association. What collective exists that should have more rights than another collective under the same government? The collective is the people all together and the people are individuals. There is no necessity for collective rights as long as individuals respect he sanctity of person and property. Here are two concepts I would like you to consider. 1. The Public Interest 2. The Greater Good Please explain to me your undertsanding of these concepts. Quote
pinko Posted February 23, 2011 Report Posted February 23, 2011 Damage caused by the action of others must be addressed for what they are. If there is damage then obviously, justice must be served. If a corporation is dumping effluents into the environment as a specific example, then they must compensate those who have suffered a loss or damage and be held accountable. No different than you would expect. I believe your concern is with "externalities". You can goolge that for an understanding of it if you need to and here is an excellent article on externalities although I think government intervention is not as necessary as it states. The people are the ones that need to bring, and are bringing, externalities to the attention of corporations so they are being dealt with as concerns. I appreciate the link but perhaps you could highlight the point you wish to emphasize. Quote
pinko Posted February 23, 2011 Report Posted February 23, 2011 (edited) So what is different from whom you are cozying up to now? Just whoever you think takes your interests to heart. If I understand you correctly I would pick the party(neighbour) I perceived to have interests similar to mine. By the way I have noted your comments concerning the role of the police and certainly don't exclude such considerations. Edited February 23, 2011 by pinko Quote
GWiz Posted February 23, 2011 Report Posted February 23, 2011 You must have me confused with someone else. From my point of view government should play a very active role in our society. Indeed, perhaps I did just that, and I apologize if I did, you are definitely not Pliny to whom that should have been directed... Again, sorry for the misdirection to you, it was completely unintentional... Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
pinko Posted February 23, 2011 Report Posted February 23, 2011 Indeed, perhaps I did just that, and I apologize if I did, you are definitely not Pliny to whom that should have been directed... Again, sorry for the misdirection to you, it was completely unintentional... No problem. Quote
GWiz Posted February 23, 2011 Report Posted February 23, 2011 No problem. I just had a look back through the thread and I think this is where I got "confused" between you and Pliny in the middle of the debate between Pliny and myself by a couple of quotation marks (you quoting Pliny)... http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=17890&view=findpost&p=630445 Senior moment... Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
MapleLeafAlliance Posted February 23, 2011 Report Posted February 23, 2011 It isn't that totalitarianism comes from the left, the left encourages a welfare state and the right encourages a warfare state or a more coercive government. Both lead to bigger government which then has the potential to become a totalitarian state. You can't have totalitarianism if there isn't a strong central government already in place, that is where libertarianism comes in. Libertarians see decentralization as a good thing because it spreads power amongst more people instead of consolidating it. A stronger central government means a greater potential for having tyranny of the majority. An example of tyranny of the majority is marijuana prohibition, I know many people who enjoy smoking weed, they are productive members of society and do not harm others, yet due to the strong central government and tyranny of the majority, their liberties are taken away. Do you understand what I am saying? Good post. Quote mapleleafalliance.blogspot.com Join Maple Leaf Alliance group on Facebook!
GWiz Posted February 23, 2011 Report Posted February 23, 2011 It isn't that totalitarianism comes from the left, the left encourages a welfare state and the right encourages a warfare state or a more coercive government. Both lead to bigger government which then has the potential to become a totalitarian state. You can't have totalitarianism if there isn't a strong central government already in place, that is where libertarianism comes in. Libertarians see decentralization as a good thing because it spreads power amongst more people instead of consolidating it. A stronger central government means a greater potential for having tyranny of the majority. An example of tyranny of the majority is marijuana prohibition, I know many people who enjoy smoking weed, they are productive members of society and do not harm others, yet due to the strong central government and tyranny of the majority, their liberties are taken away. Do you understand what I am saying? Democracy by a majority is bad? Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
Jack Weber Posted February 23, 2011 Report Posted February 23, 2011 In the words of Toadbrother.... Libertarians are the useful idiots of the conservative movement.... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
GWiz Posted February 23, 2011 Report Posted February 23, 2011 In the words of Toadbrother.... Libertarians are the useful idiots of the conservative movement.... Ahhh, gottcha, just a little right of the Tea Partiers and 6 leagues till Sunday... Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
maple_leafs182 Posted February 23, 2011 Report Posted February 23, 2011 Democracy by a majority is bad? It can be if others freedoms are taken away. In the words of Toadbrother....Libertarians are the useful idiots of the conservative movement.... You do not have to be conservative to be a libertarian, you can still be on the left and still be a libertarian. I am a libertarian socialist. Quote │ _______ [███STOP███]▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ :::::::--------------Conservatives beleive ▄▅█FUNDING THIS█▅▄▃▂- - - - - --- -- -- -- -------- Liberals lie I██████████████████] ...◥⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙'(='.'=)' ⊙
GWiz Posted February 23, 2011 Report Posted February 23, 2011 I am a libertarian socialist. Pliny! Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
Jack Weber Posted February 23, 2011 Report Posted February 23, 2011 Pliny! Pretty much.... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
GWiz Posted February 23, 2011 Report Posted February 23, 2011 Pretty much.... Surely no one else could come up with that... Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
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