If Canada had a new federal party called the Centrist Party of Canada

[GWiz]

What you don't also understand is the Conservatives are neoconservative and not moderate conservative which there is no party in Canada that is moderate conservative like in the rest of the world. In fact that is the alternative we would offer. Also, we would say we are the party of Sir John A. MacDonald and say that we want to stand up for parliamentary democracy which means working together and compromising on the issues and we would fight for fiscal conservatism, social progress and a balanced approach to the issues of the day.

The last "moderate" conservative party was the PCs and they ended up joining the reform party which resulted in what we have today... Why, because the PCs, like the Reform, wanted a shot at power...

I AM a true "certrist" right in the middle, not left, not right... The farther from the center a party is, the less likely I am to vote for them... I don't listen to ambient noise (ads-rhetoric-party vs party), I look and listen to and at party stands and policies, if I see a good reason for a change in party stand or platform, pre or post election, I look at it's relative merit and how it may affect me and/or my family personally, I can't be bought off with a small tax cut that'll buy me a couple of cups of extra coffee a year, I'll gladly pay my taxes to the party in power that spends it the wisest --- there's a lot more, but you get my drift...

Right now that's the Liberals, and it has been for some time...

Ask me some time about FAIR taxation, both Individual and Corporate...

[ccen]

The last "moderate" conservative party was the PCs and they ended up joining the reform party which resulted in what we have today... Why, because the PCs, like the Reform, wanted a shot at power...

I AM a true "certrist" right in the middle, not left, not right... The farther from the center a party is, the less likely I am to vote for them... I don't listen to ambient noise (ads-rhetoric-party vs party), I look and listen to and at party stands and policies, if I see a good reason for a change in party stand or platform, pre or post election, I look at it's relative merit and how it may affect me and/or my family personally, I can't be bought off with a small tax cut that'll buy me a couple of cups of extra coffee a year, I'll gladly pay my taxes to the party in power that spends it the wisest --- there's a lot more, but you get my drift...

Right now that's the Liberals, and it has been for some time...

Ask me some time about FAIR taxation, both Individual and Corporate...

Well the truth is you know how the Liberals are generally centrist but they can be viewed as centre-left on social policies but everyone interprets them as centrist. We as a progressive conservative successor type party would be centre-right economically and centrist on some other matters but on the whole we are viewed generally as centrist. therefore, you can be a centrist party even if you are conservative. in great britain, there is a party like it and it is called the conservative party and they believe in social programs and helping out industries that are suffering and tax cuts is what they use to stimulate growth but it is not their whole policy. therefore they are pragmatic, centrist, moderate and the kind of party we want to become to give Canadians a moderate conservative third choice. Once Canadians realize that there is another party and it is the successor to the old PC party they will come in droves also since Harper's party is negative and wants to become and emulate the Republican party in the United States. We would want the right policies and we wouldn't just put money into things. We would be an intellectual conservative party and base things on facts, research, and studies. Therefore we would be about working together with the other parties, about tax cuts for stimulating growth, about stimulating key sectors, about essential programs, about working on the environment, about cutting the size of programs that work and investing in areas that do work, we want to invest in post secondary education and we believe that Canadians should choose their child care programs.

Lastly, I understand that there are millions of votes but we need to say that Stephen Harper wants to spend the money on misplaced priorities and the Liberals and Conservatives cannot be trusted and we would like to invest in key areas and lower taxes and invest in key industries. We also want a balanced approach on law and order, child care, foreign affairs, security, and many other issues. We also want to keep health care and education as key essential programs and make sure our social programs remain strong. Therefore, we want to by doing this be the party about wanting to reduce the debt and deficit faster than any other party. So ya I think it would be a welcomed change and we could challenge across the country and in every region and being a party that works with others is a step in the right direction so seats in Atlantic Canada and Quebec could come easy.

Edited February 1, 2011 by ccen

[GWiz]

Thatcherism

Already got an attempt at that going on with Harper in Canada and the "Tea Party" in the States...

No Thanks, you lost me...

[GWiz]

Well in answering the question about how the party would have to govern is centre to centre-right since that area is currently unoccupied and the current Conservative party is more closer to the Canadian Alliance ideologically than the old red tory Progressive Conservative party which we would try to govern much closer to. Therefore we would be centrist, liberal conservative, one nation conservative, traditionalist conservative, neoliberal, and be for reducing the size of government. I think that is what most Canadians would want in a party.

Wrong... I, for one, am all about GOVERNMENTS SPENDING WISELY not my taxes...

I raised two kids without "child care" working 8-12 hour days, while my wife at the time, an RN, worked 8-12 hr nights... We did it, why can't you?

We have ONE east-west highway across Canada and if you drive it through Northwestern Ontario or through the Rockies in the winter (and sometimes summer too) you're risking your life... It's the east-west - west-east road route "life blood" of trade and commerce in our country, and my question is why is that? In the 1800's we built a railroad across our country and in the 22nd century we can't twin a road?

My "taxes" are fine, just spend the damn money where it benefits the most Canadians the MOST and not to buy votes in the next election...

So how would your party be different, eh... That's right, it wouldn't be...

[ccen]

Well the truth is you know how the Liberals are generally centrist but they can be viewed as centre-left on social policies but everyone interprets them as centrist. We as a progressive conservative successor type party would be centre-right economically and centrist on some other matters but on the whole we are viewed generally as centrist. therefore, you can be a centrist party even if you are conservative. in great britain, there is a party like it and it is called the conservative party and they believe in social programs and helping out industries that are suffering and tax cuts is what they use to stimulate growth but it is not their whole policy. therefore they are pragmatic, centrist, moderate and the kind of party we want to become to give Canadians a moderate conservative third choice. Once Canadians realize that there is another party and it is the successor to the old PC party they will come in droves also since Harper's party is negative and wants to become and emulate the Republican party in the United States. We would want the right policies and we wouldn't just put money into things. We would be an intellectual conservative party and base things on facts, research, and studies. Therefore we would be about working together with the other parties, about tax cuts for stimulating growth, about stimulating key sectors, about essential programs, about working on the environment, about cutting the size of programs that work and investing in areas that do work, we want to invest in post secondary education and we believe that Canadians should choose their child care programs.

Lastly, I understand that there are millions of votes but we need to say that Stephen Harper wants to spend the money on misplaced priorities and the Liberals and Conservatives cannot be trusted and we would like to invest in key areas and lower taxes and invest in key industries. We also want a balanced approach on law and order, child care, foreign affairs, security, and many other issues. We also want to keep health care and education as key essential programs and make sure our social programs remain strong. Therefore, we want to by doing this be the party about wanting to reduce the debt and deficit faster than any other party. So ya I think it would be a welcomed change and we could challenge across the country and in every region and being a party that works with others is a step in the right direction so seats in Atlantic Canada and Quebec could come easy.

[ccen]

After the episode with the arena debacle one could realize that the Conservatives are in bed with big business, big oil and I think that a moderate conservative party would not go there and would also not be in bed with unions and would take that middle ground and cut taxes moderately, protect health care and education, make people choose on child care, be balanced on foreign policy, make sure the priorities are met before expensive pet projects, balance law and order and defend our north, coasts and borders. That is how we can get Canada moving and make sure that centrist and moderate Canadian voters get what they need in a party that works for them.

[cybercoma]

Well our party wants to be strong on law and order and support mandatory minimums

A centrist party seems like a great idea, but mandatory minimums is about as far from centrism as you can get. I don't believe in parliament tying the hands of the judiciary by forcing judges to make particular sentencing decisions. It is wrong both on a practical level and an ethical level.

Practically, the idea is antithetical to your notions of lowering taxes, while still being socially conscious. Mandatory minimums are a burden to the taxpayer, as incarcerations increase. The money has to come from somewhere and if you're lowering taxes, that somehwere is social programs.

Ethically, you're taking sentencing away from judges and giving it to prosecutors. Judges will no longer be able to consider the circumstances of the case. Say you introduce a mandatory minimum of 5 years in prison for any drinking and driving offense. A man and his wife go out for dinner and have a bottle of wine together. On their way home it starts to rain heavily and he loses control of the car, flipping it over the ditch at the side of the road. His wife is killed instantly and he's severely injured and confined to a wheelchair for the rest of his life. Now, if prosecuted, he will be required to spend 5 years in prison. A judge would be able to consider that he has no prior convictions, weather played a role in the accident, the man must live with the death of his wife and his own disabilities as a result of his actions. With your drafting of mandatory minimums, the judges' hands will be tied.

I don't think you're a centrist party at all. I think you're a right-wing party that's trying to distance itself from the religious right. That has its merits, but it will alienate you from your base and certainly won't convince those left of centre to vote for you.

[ccen]

This page has to do with raising awareness that Canadian politics has reached the point where a new party is needed between the Liberals and Conservatives. On my sites I have talked about Canada needing a successor to the old Progressive Conservative party and this party would lie between the two major parties.

It would be a moderate conservative party that would also be a blue liberal / red tory party whose purpose is to try to get people in the party who are pragmatic, centrist, moderate and willing to try something new.

I have already created a website and many people have expressed interest and I feel now is the time on the federal scene for a party who does not pick a niche like the Green Party which is environmentalism but is an actual centrist party between the two parties which has a real shot of forming government, being about middle grounds and compromise and wanting to be a positive voice and inspiring voice for all Canadians. This party would work in the tradition of Sir John A. MacDonald and would want to work with any party and help to raise voter turnout. I believe that this party would get support all over the country.

To check out the platform for this party check out this website: http://centristparty.piczo.com/platform?cr=5.

This party would be a beacon of hope for people who have lost faith in our current political system and this party wants to also get the best policies from the two major parties and create an even better third party between the two parties. With your help we can get it done and Canada can have a positive political future.

[ccen]

This is why a moderate Conservative a la a Progressive Conservative type party is needed check out this page to see what we stand for and believe that integrity, accountability and transparency are needed. Harper's government is full of incompetents and people who think that if they blame the Liberals for all of their mistakes will get them sympathy but it won't you need to own up for your actions. The site for our platforms are: http://centristparty.piczo.com/?cr=5 The site to see our facebook site is: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=34708647457 We believe a moderate conservative option is better than this Canadian Alliance type party which has been completely dominated by their kind and red tories and blue liberals need to stand up and have their voices heard and claim the centre between the two parties. To see the story on this site check out: http://forums.canadiancontent.net/canadian-politics/98546-centrist-party-canada-2.html

Thank you and I look forward to comments about this story.

Edited February 15, 2011 by ccen

[ccen]

This is further proof that the Conservatives are being dictated everything by the PMO and Stephen Harper's government. He wants to make sure nothing can go wrong right now but when things start to get bad with his government he will take action and it will seem like he has everything under control. The current Conservatives are a very corrupt bunch. This is why we need a centre to centre-right party resembling the old Progressive Conservatives.

[ccen]

Our democracy is being eroded because of the incompetence of the Harper government. If the Liberals and Conservatives have failed it does not have to be this party but how about creating a Canada party in the centre since we may need a new party and this name could be popular and for all Canadians hence the name Canada Party.

Thank you!

[ccen]

Well yes but you said even the platform page on this website is not good enough for you if you have read it or not.

The site is: http://centristparty.piczo.com/?g=1&cr=5

Of course if you read this page I just listed you might be like the people who commented on it and say that I don't list specifics of it is not worded well. I have even heard people say I should get someone to edit it like a professional writer.

Me and the rest of the people in the party have to agree with the rest of the issues but of course we need people to actually get the party created. Remember the most important thing is try to get the electors, the team people and to ensure that all other areas are satisfied and resolved. That is what needs to happen first and then we can get the other stuff.

The final thing I would like to say is once we get the 250 members/electors and get the team ready then I believe the party will be huge and Canadians will know who we are.

Edited February 15, 2011 by ccen

[ccen]

Well yes but you said even the platform page on this website is not good enough for you if you have read it or not.

The site is: http://centristparty.piczo.com/?g=1&cr=5

Of course if you read this page I just listed you might be like the people who commented on it and say that I don't list specifics of it is not worded well. I have even heard people say I should get someone to edit it like a professional writer.

Me and the rest of the people in the party have to agree with the rest of the issues but of course we need people to actually get the party created. Remember the most important thing is try to get the electors, the team people and to ensure that all other areas are satisfied and resolved. That is what needs to happen first and then we can get the other stuff.

The final thing I would like to say is once we get the 250 members/electors and get the team ready then I believe the party will be huge and Canadians will know who we are.

I wanted to add the extra line since I thought it sounded good and felt it had to be added.

[Wild Bill]

I wanted to add the extra line since I thought it sounded good and felt it had to be added.

You still seem to believe that you will get huge numbers to sign up and THEN you will tell them what the party stands for! Your website lists virtually nothing specific. It really lists your party's ATTITUDES, not specific policies.

That is why I don't think you can be successful. The typical voter wants to know what he's getting into FIRST!

You're like an energy broker knocking at a door and saying "We promise we can save you money on your natural gas bill! Just sign up and trust us, later we will tell you how much you will save and how long will be the term of your contract! You can trust us because we SAY we're different from the other guys!"

I would NEVER sign up for such a deal and I can't imagine very many other people doing the same!

[ccen]

What we want to do is build a strong compassionate conservative yes and I said compassionate conservative and not neoconservative like the current Conservatives and that means protecting health and education and making them essential services which can never be touched, making sure law and order are issues which get dealt with using all party support and in a way that is not overly politicized. We need a party that is also about middle grounds and compromise. This party is about red tory/blue liberalism as our party's main ideology. We want to be a liberal conservative policy like the old PC party.

We think a party in the tradition of Sir John A. MacDonald is wanted and would get a lot of support across the country but of course a lot of discussions with people is needed first but our party has the ideas to build a strong party between the two major parties and we feel a lot of people want a pragmatic, centrist and moderate conservative party between the two major parties.

Check out http://www.centristparty.piczo.com/?cr=5 and see what we are all about.

[Michael Hardner]

There was a party called the National party in the early 90s that garnered a fair amount of support but they were similarly vague in what they stood for, from the outset. In the end, they turned out to be solely supported by a celebrity leader, and were ill equipped to work as a cohesive party. I remember getting newsletters wherein the in-fighting that was happening was pretty obvious. They split apart.

[myata]

Tweedledum and Tweedledee is the only theoretically possible outcome of the this constitutional system. And the longer it stays firmly entrenched and entirely unmovable from political realities of 19th century (today is 21st, just in case), the stronger the eventual shockwave from its de/reconstruction will be.

That is of course, on presumption that political system would still remain a democracy in the long run. Which, given the realities of the day doesn't look as being a given.

Edited February 17, 2011 by myata

[ToadBrother]

What we want to do is build a strong compassionate conservative yes and I said compassionate conservative and not neoconservative like the current Conservatives and that means protecting health and education and making them essential services which can never be touched, making sure law and order are issues which get dealt with using all party support and in a way that is not overly politicized. We need a party that is also about middle grounds and compromise. This party is about red tory/blue liberalism as our party's main ideology. We want to be a liberal conservative policy like the old PC party.

We think a party in the tradition of Sir John A. MacDonald is wanted and would get a lot of support across the country but of course a lot of discussions with people is needed first but our party has the ideas to build a strong party between the two major parties and we feel a lot of people want a pragmatic, centrist and moderate conservative party between the two major parties.

Check out http://www.centristparty.piczo.com/?cr=5 and see what we are all about.

Sir John A. was no stranger to scandal, and he remains the only Canadian Prime Minister to be censured by Parliament.

[Jack Weber]

There was a party called the National party in the early 90s that garnered a fair amount of support but they were similarly vague in what they stood for, from the outset. In the end, they turned out to be solely supported by a celebrity leader, and were ill equipped to work as a cohesive party. I remember getting newsletters wherein the in-fighting that was happening was pretty obvious. They split apart.

I voted for that party...

Mel Hurtig was the party leader...

I am still a fan of Mr. Hurtig...Part of the party became the Canadian Action Party under Paul Hellyer.That was a rational party that couldn have got some traction.It has descended into a bunch of tinfoil hat conspiracy wacko's,however...

Edited February 17, 2011 by Jack Weber

[Saipan]

Our democracy is being eroded because of the incompetence of the Harper government.

Exactly the opposite. Liberals will no longer be able to turn lawabiding firearm owners into criminals.

No more arbitrary confiscastion of private property.

[ccen]

the party me and others want to create is a blue liberal / red tory party which lies between the two major parties and wants to make a compromise party. I say it allows for moderate conservatism to trump far-right conservatism.

Canada needs a moderate right party like the old PCs. The blog site to comment is here http://centristparty.piczo.com/blog?cr=5. Therefore, if you have comments about a new party or about another middle party between the two parties being added just comment.

[ccen]

the party me and others want to create is a blue liberal / red tory party which lies between the two major parties and wants to make a compromise party. I say it allows for moderate conservatism to trump far-right conservatism.

Canada needs a moderate right party like the old PCs. The blog site to comment is here http://centristparty.piczo.com/blog?cr=5 Therefore, if you have comments about a new party or about another middle party between the two parties being added just comment.

Email me at [email protected] if you want to know anything about the party I can even send you party documents to fill you in which have just been created. Me and others have been able to finish some.

In essence it is a summary of our issues page of the site: http://centristparty.piczo.com/issues?cr=5 with some information about our strategy of standing up for constituents.

Edited February 18, 2011 by ccen

[ccen]

Sir John A. was no stranger to scandal, and he remains the only Canadian Prime Minister to be censured by Parliament.

Hey Toadbrother long time no see. Anyways, I heard Sir John A. was a drunk but to go past his bad side I think we ought to think about the actual party which wanted to build a society that was fair and just for all.

Also, since the last time I saw you I have gotten a lot of people together and the only thing we need to finish off is just the 250 electors/members.

To let those of you who do not know who I am I once brought up a story about the Centrist Party but that was in late 2009. Anyways, I just want to see if there are those who want to help build a strong third option for Canada. All info is on the site: http://www.centristparty.piczo.com/?cr=5 and the email is on the main page if you wish to contact and find more about the party.

[ccen]

Exactly the opposite. Liberals will no longer be able to turn lawabiding firearm owners into criminals.

No more arbitrary confiscastion of private property.

Which is exactly why I believe this party needs to move in the same direction as the government on law and order issues but be compassionate conservatives on social issues. That is what Canadians truly need. We also believe small business is the engine of the economy and that is where I believe a party needs to go to get a lot of support. Also, we think having free votes and standing up for constituents will win us a lot of votes and that is something all the parties could lose a lot of support on. Remember all the parties on private members' bills just whip the votes but actually listening to constituents on the long gun registry, marijuana, military spending on big ticket items and other issues is the direction a party should pursue and we found a good balance as a centrist party. We just won't engage in the kind of Harper populism he likes to do.

[ccen]

I voted for that party...

Mel Hurtig was the party leader...

I am still a fan of Mr. Hurtig...Part of the party became the Canadian Action Party under Paul Hellyer.That was a rational party that couldn have got some traction.It has descended into a bunch of tinfoil hat conspiracy wacko's,however...

Well you can't call a party that wants to stand up for constituents or centrists, moderates, conservatives and progressives a party that is fringe or people who are on extreme parts of the spectrum but we just need to find the right people in order to grow and the best way to do that is to also listen to Canadians and see what they want in a new political party between the two major parties. That is how you get to be something as big as the Reform party was in the early 90s. Remember there is no liberal conservative party in Canada at the present time and this country has no political party currently for centrist international. This moderate conservative party's ideologies would be centrist, liberal conservative, one nation conservative, neoliberal and socially conservative and for conservative liberalism. We want this party to be in the British tory tradition. That is something this country does not have as ideologies representing the middle between the two major parties. We just have a progressive liberal party who is centre-left and a conservative party that is centre-right to right and their ideologies are social conservatism, neoconservatism, neoliberalism, conservative liberalism, and christian right. We want to be centre to centre-right like the old PC party and we want to be right centrists just like the liberals are left-centrists which since we are right-centrists that would place us between the two major parties.

Speaking of which, I have Mel Hurtig as a friend on facebook.

If you have anymore info about the party check out the site http://www.centristparty.piczo.com/?cr=5 and if you wish to find out more info email us at [email protected].

Thank you!

Edited February 18, 2011 by ccen