scribblet Posted January 13, 2011 Report Posted January 13, 2011 This is a relatively 'stiff sentence' - sounds to me like she got off light considering it's not the first time. http://dailycaller.com/2011/01/12/acorn-leader-avoids-prison-for-voter-fraud-conspiracy/ A Las Vegas judge has spared senior ACORN executive Amy Adele Busefink jail time for her role in a notorious voter fraud conspiracy. Judge Donald Mosley sentenced Busefink to two years imprisonment but suspended the jail time provided that she abides by the terms of her probation. She was also fined a total of $4,000 and ordered to perform 100 hours of community service. Prosecutors had argued for a fine of just $1,000. Voter fraud, sometimes called electoral fraud, is a blanket term encompassing a host of election-related improprieties. This isn’t the first time Busefink was involved in shady electoral dealings. Even while under indictment in Nevada she ran the 2010 national voter drive for Project Vote, which was President Obama’s employer in 1992. Project Vote and ACORN have long been indistinguishable. Project Vote still operates out of ACORN’s offices in Washington, D.C. Busefink also ran ACORN’s fraud-ridden 2008 voter registration drive. In that drive, officials chucked an astounding 400,000 bogus registrations . Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
punked Posted January 13, 2011 Report Posted January 13, 2011 This is a relatively 'stiff sentence' - sounds to me like she got off light considering it's not the first time. http://dailycaller.com/2011/01/12/acorn-leader-avoids-prison-for-voter-fraud-conspiracy/ A Las Vegas judge has spared senior ACORN executive Amy Adele Busefink jail time for her role in a notorious voter fraud conspiracy. . Actually because of her plea, her lawyer will be appealing the constitutional merit of the law under which she was convicted. You see under NV law it is illegal to offer reward for signing up voters, this law will be challenged because of her plea deal by her lawyer in supreme court and has a good chance of being struck down. Thanks for the very little details and horrible spin though. It is always good to see the right refusing to read the facts and only reports what they feel. Always makes me feel I picked the right team. Quote
scribblet Posted January 13, 2011 Author Report Posted January 13, 2011 Lots of other sources if you don't like that one. While I wouldn't throw the whole org. under the bus, this could be the tip of the iceberg, the magnitude of the fraud is pretty big. Not to mention that the judge has some issues here too what's the fine now, a penny a vote, pretty cheap to get your candidate elected. Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
Shady Posted January 14, 2011 Report Posted January 14, 2011 To people like punked, ACORN can do no wrong. He's used to defending their illegal behavior. Quote
Shakeyhands Posted January 14, 2011 Report Posted January 14, 2011 http://dailycaller.com/2011/01/12/acorn-leader-avoids-prison-for-voter-fraud-conspiracy/ . oh my... About Us Founded by Tucker Carlson, a 20-year veteran of print and broadcast media, and Neil Patel, former chief policy adviser to Vice President Cheney, The Daily Caller is a 24-hour news site providing original reporting from an experienced team of professional reporters, thought-provoking commentary and breaking news. In addition to hard news reporting and commentary, Read more: http://dailycaller.com/footer/about-us/#ixzz1B2GBI6S7 Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
sharkman Posted January 14, 2011 Report Posted January 14, 2011 Isn't that just typical? a liberal gets convicted for something and then says the law is wrong. It's good to see they have a law for signing up voters and I hope it survives. Quote
Shakeyhands Posted January 14, 2011 Report Posted January 14, 2011 Isn't that just typical? a liberal gets convicted for something and then says the law is wrong. It's good to see they have a law for signing up voters and I hope it survives. I hear you on that one... it's kind of like the elections finance laws here. Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
GostHacked Posted January 14, 2011 Report Posted January 14, 2011 Actually because of her plea, her lawyer will be appealing the constitutional merit of the law under which she was convicted. You see under NV law it is illegal to offer reward for signing up voters, this law will be challenged because of her plea deal by her lawyer in supreme court and has a good chance of being struck down. It should be illegal to offer a reward to signing up voters. If she really engaged in voter fraud she should have a longer sentence. I am not sure why you favour this law being struck down. Thanks for the very little details and horrible spin though. It is always good to see the right refusing to read the facts and only reports what they feel. Always makes me feel I picked the right team. You've got your own spin on this right here. Quote
dre Posted January 14, 2011 Report Posted January 14, 2011 It should be illegal to offer a reward to signing up voters. Why? Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
dre Posted January 14, 2011 Report Posted January 14, 2011 (edited) You can't see it? Not really... its a pay for play system where money is used by virtually every entity involved. If your worried about money corrupting the political system then theres way bigger fish to fry. Edited January 14, 2011 by dre Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Bitsy Posted January 15, 2011 Report Posted January 15, 2011 In response to this being a light sentence, this might clear up a few things for those confused by voter fraud, which is a very serious offense and different than registration fraud. I think the sentence received was in line with other sentences. "By structuring employment and compensation around a quota system, ACORN facilitated voter registration fraud," Masto said. She accused ACORN executives of hiding behind and blaming employees, and vowed to hold the national nonprofit corporation accountable for training manuals that she said "clearly detail, condone and ... require illegal acts."Nevada Secretary of State Ross Miller emphasized the case involved "registration fraud, not voter fraud," and insisted that no voters in Nevada were paid for votes and no unqualified voters were allowed to cast ballots. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30567548/ns/politics-more_politics/Republican charged and convicted …..first he was charged with voter fraud but it appears he pled it down to registration fraud. http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/20/gop-voter-fraud/ http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/06/owner-of-registration-company-pleads-guilty-to-voter-fraud.html Quote
punked Posted January 15, 2011 Report Posted January 15, 2011 It should be illegal to offer a reward to signing up voters. If she really engaged in voter fraud she should have a longer sentence. I am not sure why you favour this law being struck down. You've got your own spin on this right here. She paid something 10 people 5 dollars for signing up more then 21 voters. Real voter fraud going on here for sure. Huge deal something to create a hug post about. Quote
Shady Posted January 15, 2011 Report Posted January 15, 2011 She paid something 10 people 5 dollars for signing up more then 21 voters. Real voter fraud going on here for sure. Huge deal something to create a hug post about. Illegal is illegal. Stop defending law breaking. Quote
punked Posted January 15, 2011 Report Posted January 15, 2011 Illegal is illegal. Stop defending law breaking. We will see how the supreme court feels about the law before I call it a law. If it is struck down then you are dead wrong. PS have you seen Obama's approval ratings looking almost identical to Reagan's bounce 2 years into his term don't they? Quote
Shady Posted January 15, 2011 Report Posted January 15, 2011 We will see how the supreme court feels about the law before I call it a law. If it is struck down then you are dead wrong. But I'm not wrong. It's the current law, therefore illegal. Now you've resorted to hoping the law is changed, so that that illegal behavior is made legal, in which I would then be dead wrong. Quote
punked Posted January 16, 2011 Report Posted January 16, 2011 But I'm not wrong. It's the current law, therefore illegal. Now you've resorted to hoping the law is changed, so that that illegal behavior is made legal, in which I would then be dead wrong. Their have been plenty of laws which were unconstitutional but which can not change until they were challenged in court. It is a flaw in the system I will wait for the supreme court challenge on this one seems like they have a good case. Quote
Pliny Posted January 16, 2011 Report Posted January 16, 2011 (edited) Actually because of her plea, her lawyer will be appealing the constitutional merit of the law under which she was convicted. You see under NV law it is illegal to offer reward for signing up voters, this law will be challenged because of her plea deal by her lawyer in supreme court and has a good chance of being struck down. Thanks for the very little details and horrible spin though. It is always good to see the right refusing to read the facts and only reports what they feel. Always makes me feel I picked the right team. Most people realize that voters should have the opportunity, and be encouraged to vote. So settingup voluntary booths to register voters is acceptable but paying someone to get a quota is not proper. The law won't be struck down. If this was in Canada, then maybe. Glad you feel so much at home on your "team". Your contirbution is something you can be proud of and it helps to make it what it is. Edited January 16, 2011 by Pliny Quote I want to be in the class that ensures the classless society remains classless.
punked Posted January 16, 2011 Report Posted January 16, 2011 Most people realize that voters should have the opportunity, and be encouraged to vote. So settingup voluntary booths to register voters is acceptable but paying someone to get a quota is not proper. The law won't be struck down. If this was in Canada, then maybe. Glad you feel so much at home on your "team". Your contirbution is something you can be proud of and it helps to make it what it is. But money is free speech remember? It wasn't a Canadian court that ruled that, it was an American. BTW the quota system isn't one which was created by ACORN it is one which has been used by both sides for a long time. Don't see this law standing not because it isn't a good law but because much better laws then this have fallen to even weaker arguments addressing the same problem. Sorry. Quote
dre Posted January 22, 2011 Report Posted January 22, 2011 Most people realize that voters should have the opportunity, and be encouraged to vote. So settingup voluntary booths to register voters is acceptable but paying someone to get a quota is not proper. The law won't be struck down. If this was in Canada, then maybe. Glad you feel so much at home on your "team". Your contirbution is something you can be proud of and it helps to make it what it is. Spending zillions of dollars worth of corporate money on advertising campaigns designed to trick voters isnt proper either. Its a PAY FOR PLAY system... If you want to address the fact that money plays way to big a role at literally every level then GREAT, but this is a pretty petty place to start. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 22, 2011 Report Posted January 22, 2011 Spending zillions of dollars worth of corporate money on advertising campaigns designed to trick voters isnt proper either. Its a PAY FOR PLAY system... If you want to address the fact that money plays way to big a role at literally every level then GREAT, but this is a pretty petty place to start. It's no place to start...."pay for play" is very American. Did you forget that? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
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