M.Dancer Posted January 13, 2011 Report Posted January 13, 2011 I can remember being in Washington state with my son on his 19th birthday thinking that if we lived there I could legally buy him a handgun but here is no way I could legally take take him into a bar and buy him a beer. That's bizarre. It is one for the shrinks. Better to be stone cold sober while armed and adolescent. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 13, 2011 Report Posted January 13, 2011 Better to be stone cold sober while armed and adolescent. That's my motto....you can't do this drunk: Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Bonam Posted January 13, 2011 Report Posted January 13, 2011 "Lets buy the government security force thousands of nukes, ships, tanks, fighters, bombers etc." "OH and... Were gonna need handguns to make sure that government doesnt get out of line!" True, handguns are not particularly effective against a government that would be willing to use advanced weaponry against its own people. The US constitution doesn't actually limit what kind of arms citizens are allowed to bear. In fact, one could argue that restricting the types of arms that citizens are allowed to have IS infringing on their right to bear arms. At the time of its creation, muskets/rifles were pretty much the state of the art weapons that could be carried and used by an individual. Today, that is no longer the case. Perhaps citizens should have the right to possess weapons that would be effective in modern warfare. I wouldn't mind some anti-missile systems mounted on my property to shoot down incoming rockets and projectiles. Maybe instead of just handguns and assault weapons we should have handheld anti-tank rocket launchers and anti-helicopter rocket launchers too. I got my pilot's license so maybe I should mount some gatling cannons and AMRAAMs on my plane? I could see driving around a tank instead of a car as well, though gas mileage isn't quite as good. Quote
Wilber Posted January 13, 2011 Report Posted January 13, 2011 Better to be stone cold sober while armed and adolescent. Guess it doesn't matter if you're 21. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
M.Dancer Posted January 13, 2011 Report Posted January 13, 2011 Perhaps citizens should have the right to possess weapons that would be effective in modern warfare. I have in the past stated that as a collector who appreciates the artistry and beauty..why can't I as a law abiding cotizen own a few pounds of anthrax? Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
dre Posted January 13, 2011 Report Posted January 13, 2011 True, handguns are not particularly effective against a government that would be willing to use advanced weaponry against its own people. The US constitution doesn't actually limit what kind of arms citizens are allowed to bear. In fact, one could argue that restricting the types of arms that citizens are allowed to have IS infringing on their right to bear arms. At the time of its creation, muskets/rifles were pretty much the state of the art weapons that could be carried and used by an individual. Today, that is no longer the case. Perhaps citizens should have the right to possess weapons that would be effective in modern warfare. I wouldn't mind some anti-missile systems mounted on my property to shoot down incoming rockets and projectiles. Maybe instead of just handguns and assault weapons we should have handheld anti-tank rocket launchers and anti-helicopter rocket launchers too. I got my pilot's license so maybe I should mount some gatling cannons and AMRAAMs on my plane? I could see driving around a tank instead of a car as well, though gas mileage isn't quite as good. Perhaps citizens should have the right to possess weapons that would be effective in modern warfare. I wouldn't mind some anti-missile systems mounted on my property to shoot down incoming rockets and projectiles. Maybe instead of just handguns and assault weapons we should have handheld anti-tank rocket launchers and anti-helicopter rocket launchers too. I got my pilot's license so maybe I should mount some gatling cannons and AMRAAMs on my plane? I could see driving around a tank instead of a car as well, though gas mileage isn't quite as good. I assume youre being facetious, but really thats not any more crazy and silly than Americans who think they need their small arms to protect themselves from their own government and its security apparatus. If the constitution gave Americans access to any real means to resist the government rule of law they would simply change it. One thing both parties CAN agree on is that the citizens should shut the fuck up and buy non durable consumer goods. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
dre Posted January 13, 2011 Report Posted January 13, 2011 I have in the past stated that as a collector who appreciates the artistry and beauty..why can't I as a law abiding cotizen own a few pounds of anthrax? No shit. After all Anthrax doesnt kill people! People do! Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
dre Posted January 13, 2011 Report Posted January 13, 2011 That's my motto....you can't do this drunk: You wouldnt BOTHER to do it if you werent! Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 13, 2011 Report Posted January 13, 2011 You wouldnt BOTHER to do it if you werent! Wrong sport....I think you mean seal clubbing. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Pliny Posted January 13, 2011 Report Posted January 13, 2011 Like every other militia in countries that don't have the right to carry, the government supplies the weapons. If the right to carry was necessary to form a militia, it would be mandatory for all. It's not. Mandatory to carry or mandatory to have access? Maybe it's time the US grew up. If it's so afraid of its own government that it's citizens need to be armed to the teath, it hasn't come very far. It's more afraid of other forms of government supplanting their form of government. What do you think the big partisan divide is about? The American people...or the majority of them are American, and do not wish the US to move any further down the socialist road than they already have. Until we can fully trust each other and there is no more insanity in the world can we drop our vigilance for freedom and liberty. Quote I want to be in the class that ensures the classless society remains classless.
Pliny Posted January 13, 2011 Report Posted January 13, 2011 I can remember being in Washington state with my son on his 19th birthday thinking that if we lived there I could legally buy him a handgun but here is no way I could legally take take him into a bar and buy him a beer. That's bizarre. It is one for the shrinks. If you could buy him a beer then maybe that would be a reason for not being able to legally buy him a gun. Quote I want to be in the class that ensures the classless society remains classless.
pinko Posted January 13, 2011 Report Posted January 13, 2011 Boys talking about their toys and the goofy system created in the land of fear where lunatics are allowed to buy lethal weapons and cause carnage in the streets. These monkeys seem to take pride in this highly dysfunctional system in place south of us here in Canada. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 13, 2011 Report Posted January 13, 2011 Boys talking about their toys and the goofy system created in the land of fear where lunatics are allowed to buy lethal weapons and cause carnage in the streets. These monkeys seem to take pride in this highly dysfunctional system in place south of us here in Canada. Yes...it is so much more civilized to decapitate bus passengers and eat eyeballs. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Wilber Posted January 13, 2011 Report Posted January 13, 2011 If you could buy him a beer then maybe that would be a reason for not being able to legally buy him a gun. Guess that means it is far more important to be able to buy a gun than buy a beer. It's like telling a 19 year old Canadian that drinking and driving isn't just as big a deal after he turns 21 as it is before. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Yukon Jack Posted January 13, 2011 Report Posted January 13, 2011 Last night's so-called "Memorial Service" was the kick-off of Obama's re-election campaign. Quote
Wilber Posted January 13, 2011 Report Posted January 13, 2011 Mandatory to carry or mandatory to have access? Take your pick. It's more afraid of other forms of government supplanting their form of government. What do you think the big partisan divide is about? The American people...or the majority of them are American, and do not wish the US to move any further down the socialist road than they already have.Until we can fully trust each other and there is no more insanity in the world can we drop our vigilance for freedom and liberty. In other words, you don't trust yourselves. You don't believe you can function in a democratic fashion without the ability to take your assault weapon to Washington and tell your elected representatives they have it wrong. Which buy the way is the antithesis of democracy. it's might makes right and mob rule. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 13, 2011 Report Posted January 13, 2011 Guess that means it is far more important to be able to buy a gun than buy a beer. It's like telling a 19 year old Canadian that drinking and driving isn't just as big a deal after he turns 21 as it is before. You are conflating different issues....a legal drinking age of 18 was tried with bad results. Youngsters are encouraged to learn firearms safety, hunting, shooting sports, etc. well before the age of 21. In some states a kid as young as 10 can legally use firearms with adult supervision. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Wilber Posted January 13, 2011 Report Posted January 13, 2011 Yes...it is so much more civilized to decapitate bus passengers and eat eyeballs. Just think how much more damage he could have done with an automatic weapon. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Wilber Posted January 13, 2011 Report Posted January 13, 2011 You are conflating different issues....a legal drinking age of 18 was tried with bad results. Youngsters are encouraged to learn firearms safety, hunting, shooting sports, etc. well before the age of 21. In some states a kid as young as 10 can legally use firearms with adult supervision. They are not different issues, they both concern drinking and operating a device that can kill people. There is no age where that is OK. Drinking age has been 19 in Canada for around 40 years. 18 in most European countries. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
scribblet Posted January 13, 2011 Report Posted January 13, 2011 I don't suppose there will be any apologies forthcoming over the rhetoric and incorrect assumptions, in particular the New York Times. http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/jared-loughners-friend-says-suspect-did-not-watch-tv-disliked-the-news_b48040 Osler says his friend wasn’t shooting at people, “he was shooting at the world.” Regarding the high-pitched talk radio and cable news political rhetoric, Osler says his friend didn’t even watch the news. He did not watch TV. He disliked the news. He didn’t listen to political radio. He didn’t take sides. He wasn’t on the left. He wasn’t on the right. I'm sure the rhetoric will be toned down for a while, but not for long. Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
M.Dancer Posted January 13, 2011 Report Posted January 13, 2011 They are not different issues, they both concern drinking and operating a device that can kill people. There is no age where that is OK. Drinking age has been 19 in Canada for around 40 years. 18 in most European countries. 18 in Quebec. I got my FAC at 13. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Oleg Bach Posted January 13, 2011 Report Posted January 13, 2011 Yes I am aggressive and make no apology for it. You should at least try to rise above being a pushy barbarian..I can be agressive..but I was brought up the eastern way...I will never offend or attack - BUT if I am attacked....I remove the threat...and this is called civilized aggression - In my youth I used to street fight - I never lost...apparently America is on one hell of a losing streak..because they attack like mad dogs...and mad dogs are easily contained as we see the quagmires that have developed under your imperialism...Time for you to civlize you nation....You can't keep going on like jerks.. and YES - American culture likes death and violence to much..this is the final sign of a fading empire...to bad - YOU could have been great. Quote
pinko Posted January 13, 2011 Report Posted January 13, 2011 Yes...it is so much more civilized to decapitate bus passengers and eat eyeballs. Not at all but the potential for harm is exponentially greater when a deranged person has unfettered access to a rapid fire weapon and ammunition. Quote
Pliny Posted January 13, 2011 Report Posted January 13, 2011 (edited) Guess that means it is far more important to be able to buy a gun than buy a beer. I agree. Far more important. It's like telling a 19 year old Canadian that drinking and driving isn't just as big a deal after he turns 21 as it is before. Happens all the time with our juveniles. They don't get a criminal record until they are adults. The perception is they can get way with pretty much anything as a juvenile. Generally they have already developed a pattern of criminal behavior, if they are inclined that way, by the time they are adults. Hopefully, he has reached a level of maturity to realize the importance of not doing so - and that's the point. One shouldn't get to play with matches until he understands the benefits and dangers. Drinking and driving and drinking and guns do not go together. He should learn about driving and guns, which will inhance his ability to lookafter himself before he learns the effects of drinking which will not particularly extend his life. Edited January 13, 2011 by Pliny Quote I want to be in the class that ensures the classless society remains classless.
pinko Posted January 13, 2011 Report Posted January 13, 2011 (edited) You should at least try to rise above being a pushy barbarian..I can be agressive..but I was brought up the eastern way...I will never offend or attack - BUT if I am attacked....I remove the threat...and this is called civilized aggression - In my youth I used to street fight - I never lost...apparently America is on one hell of a losing streak..because they attack like mad dogs...and mad dogs are easily contained as we see the quagmires that have developed under your imperialism...Time for you to civlize you nation....You can't keep going on like jerks.. and YES - American culture likes death and violence to much..this is the final sign of a fading empire...to bad - YOU could have been great. Thanks for offering your opinion. As a point of clarification I am a Canadian. Would you please elaborate on "the eastern way". Edited January 13, 2011 by pinko Quote
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