LonJowett Posted January 3, 2011 Report Posted January 3, 2011 I agree, Bonam. Canadians are quick to expect the government to solve some problem. This is very true in Quebec where the Quebec government has replaced the Catholic Church as the protector of the French Fact in North America. I agree that Quebec is largely socialist, but that has nothing to do with the rest of Canada. English Canada is culturally much, much closer to the U.S. than it is to Quebec. Quote Oliver: Now why did you get two tickets to Chicago when you know that I wanted to spend my honeymoon in Saskatchewan? Stanley: Well, the man said there was no such place as sus - -Swee - Sas...
Scotty Posted January 3, 2011 Report Posted January 3, 2011 I guess you don't need brains to comment in online forums. BE POLITE AND RESPECT OTHERS NO TROLLING/FLAMING NO PERSONAL ATTACKS Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted January 3, 2011 Report Posted January 3, 2011 Those programmes are just that: examples of the tyranny of teh majority. The individual is not free to opt out of welfare or medicare. In Canada, it is illegal in many cases to hire a private doctor. Leftists would argue that this restriction on liberty is for a greater good but I wonder about that in the long run. Most attempts or experiments in collective choice have eventually run amok. In the United States, your house can be taken by local government and then sold to a private company or institution which wants to locate there because the government thinks it can get more money out of them than from you. That's not respecting individual liberty as far as I'm concerned. And to be honest the American fetish for individual liberty gets out of hand, as does their paranoid distrust of government. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
LonJowett Posted January 3, 2011 Report Posted January 3, 2011 BE POLITE AND RESPECT OTHERS NO TROLLING/FLAMING NO PERSONAL ATTACKS Wannabe mods are annoying. Quote Oliver: Now why did you get two tickets to Chicago when you know that I wanted to spend my honeymoon in Saskatchewan? Stanley: Well, the man said there was no such place as sus - -Swee - Sas...
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 3, 2011 Report Posted January 3, 2011 (edited) In the United States, your house can be taken by local government and then sold to a private company or institution which wants to locate there because the government thinks it can get more money out of them than from you. That's not respecting individual liberty as far as I'm concerned. mminent domain takings are provided for in the US constitution with compensation. According to some here, such property rights don't even exist in Canada because of the Crown. And to be honest the American fetish for individual liberty gets out of hand, as does their paranoid distrust of government. Thank you...that's just how we like it. Edited January 3, 2011 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Scotty Posted January 7, 2011 Report Posted January 7, 2011 Wannabe mods are annoying. I like a comfortable environment wherever I go. If it isn't comfortable I may sometimes try to make it more comfortable. This is my way of making this environment more comfortable, and as I appear to be interpreting the rules correctly I will stop saying anything but will simply report conduct which goes against the rules. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted January 7, 2011 Report Posted January 7, 2011 mminent domain takings are provided for in the US constitution with compensation. I took you to have libertarian type leanings. You don't think Eminent domain has been carried to extremes when cities expropropriate people's houses not in order to build roads but to then sell their property to companies which want to build condominiums or big box stores? Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 7, 2011 Report Posted January 7, 2011 I took you to have libertarian type leanings. You don't think Eminent domain has been carried to extremes when cities expropropriate people's houses not in order to build roads but to then sell their property to companies which want to build condominiums or big box stores? Yep...happens all the time...and may the best team of lawyers win. Courts have adjudicated in favor of cities because the public good (e.g. redevelopment) outweighs the private property interest. As long as fair market compensation is paid, all is well. Try that in Canada. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Michael Hardner Posted January 7, 2011 Report Posted January 7, 2011 (edited) As long as fair market compensation is paid, all is well. Try that in Canada. Weird. You're defending American Communism based on the fact that US property holders get a better payoff ? My country right or wrong, I suppose. And where do you get the impression that the payoff is better ? Edited January 7, 2011 by Michael Hardner Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
guyser Posted January 7, 2011 Report Posted January 7, 2011 (edited) As long as fair market compensation is paid, all is well. Try that in Canada. Try what, fair market value? Sure, its the same here. Why would you think otherwise? Edited January 7, 2011 by guyser Quote
Shwa Posted January 7, 2011 Report Posted January 7, 2011 Those programmes are just that: examples of the tyranny of teh majority. The individual is not free to opt out of welfare or medicare. In Canada, it is illegal in many cases to hire a private doctor. Leftists would argue that this restriction on liberty is for a greater good but I wonder about that in the long run. Most attempts or experiments in collective choice have eventually run amok. Opt out how? By not paying your taxes? Come on now, that angle has been beaten to death - I want to opt out of paying for roads I will never use. But if you choose to opt out of using welfare, you are most certainly free to do so. And if you choose to opt out of medicare you are free to do so. Hire a private doctor? There are plenty within a few hundred miles of most Canadians. Hire away. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted January 7, 2011 Report Posted January 7, 2011 Weird. You're defending American Communism based on the fact that US property holders get a better payoff ? My country right or wrong, I suppose. And where do you get the impression that the payoff is better ? Wait - no response B_C ??? Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
dre Posted January 8, 2011 Report Posted January 8, 2011 I guess one point of my OP is that we in the West rely on Americans. For example, we Canadians can live freely and experiment foolishly with socialism because ordinary Americans assume the cost of liberty. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
bloodyminded Posted January 9, 2011 Report Posted January 9, 2011 Wait - no response B_C ??? That is odd. Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
August1991 Posted January 9, 2011 Author Report Posted January 9, 2011 (edited) "I guess one point of my OP is that we in the West rely on Americans. For example, we Canadians can live freely and experiment foolishly with socialism because ordinary Americans assume the cost of liberty." Dre, I will set aside the very real costs of the Cold War. I will even set aside the lives of 50,000 young Americans in Vietnam --- And if you choose to opt out of medicare you are free to do so. Hire a private doctor? There are plenty within a few hundred miles of most Canadians. Hire away.No Shwa, it is illegal in general to hire a private doctor in Canada. This principle is the basis of the Canada Health Act.Shwa, you are admitting a "two tier system" that in theory does not exist in Canada. Edited January 9, 2011 by August1991 Quote
eyeball Posted January 9, 2011 Report Posted January 9, 2011 ...I will set aside the very real costs of the Cold War. Costs? Price is more like it. I can't help but wonder how you'd feel if America decided to hand us a bill one day for all the peace and security it's provided us? Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
bloodyminded Posted January 9, 2011 Report Posted January 9, 2011 Dre, I will set aside the very real costs of the Cold War. The lion's share, as you know, incurred by poor, innocent peasants caught between the two Giant Gangsters fighting it out. I will even set aside the lives of 50,000 young Americans in Vietnam Unlike the relatively trivial incident of 2 - 4 million Vietnamese. As Carter said, "The destruction was mutual." Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 9, 2011 Report Posted January 9, 2011 ....I can't help but wonder how you'd feel if America decided to hand us a bill one day for all the peace and security it's provided us? You've already paid the bill...with your economic and cultural soul. Thank you and please come again. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Michael Hardner Posted January 9, 2011 Report Posted January 9, 2011 You've already paid the bill...with your economic and cultural soul. Thank you and please come again. Did you walk away from my question on post #37 ? If so, then great - I'll take that. Where is Eminent Domain in the public zeiteist now anyway ? Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
Shwa Posted January 9, 2011 Report Posted January 9, 2011 No Shwa, it is illegal in general to hire a private doctor in Canada. This principle is the basis of the Canada Health Act. Shwa, you are admitting a "two tier system" that in theory does not exist in Canada. Are you admitting that Canadians can't go to the US to get treatment? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 9, 2011 Report Posted January 9, 2011 Did you walk away from my question on post #37 ? If so, then great - I'll take that. Where is Eminent Domain in the public zeiteist now anyway ? Not sure what your question is, but of course the payoff is better in the US. Just ask TransCanada Ltd. as it tries to secure easements through public and private property in American states. And of course, there is always this... Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Michael Hardner Posted January 9, 2011 Report Posted January 9, 2011 (edited) Not sure what your question is, but of course the payoff is better in the US. Just ask TransCanada Ltd. as it tries to secure easements through public and private property in American states. And of course, there is always this... A fairly context-free video, that comprises a lament... not proof of anything, even proof of their own claims made in the video as they don't source them. Your impression that US Eminent Domain pays out better than Canadian remains an impression, and not fact. Up to you to prove that. And, again, the extremely Communistic nature of this law seems to be above comment by you. What would Bush and Cheney say ? Edited January 9, 2011 by Michael Hardner Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 9, 2011 Report Posted January 9, 2011 A fairly context-free video, that comprises a lament... not proof of anything, even proof of their own claims made in the video as they don't source them. Your impression that US Eminent Domain pays out better than Canadian remains an impression, and not fact. Up to you to prove that. I am not qualified nor am I interested in teasing out the CanAm differences for fair market value, market value, assessed value, tax treatment, etc. However, I am willing to claim that the average value per acre is less in Canada. And, again, the extremely Communistic nature of this law seems to be above comment by you. What would Bush and Cheney say ? The US Constitution codifies such "communistic" provision....take it up with the "Founding Fathers". Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Michael Hardner Posted January 9, 2011 Report Posted January 9, 2011 I am not qualified nor am I interested in teasing out the CanAm differences for fair market value, market value, assessed value, tax treatment, etc. However, I am willing to claim that the average value per acre is less in Canada. "I am not qualified nor interested in supporting my statements here, however I am willing to make such statements" The US Constitution codifies such "communistic" provision....take it up with the "Founding Fathers". Sure thing, comrade. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 9, 2011 Report Posted January 9, 2011 "I am not qualified nor interested in supporting my statements here, however I am willing to make such statements" OK....prove me wrong. It's your time....have fun. Sure thing, comrade. Go back and research property ownership in the Soviet Union. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
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