The Agenda Of Islam

[Shwa]

Pinko,

Not sure what you are talking about. Regardless, I believe it is in the common good and interest to both resist Islam when or if it attempts to make gains, and repudiate Islam or myths about Islam when discovered. Traditionally it has always been a very violent and oppressive religion, and nothing today gives us any reason to imagine this underlying animus has changed.

Pax,Tim

You are completely wrong, I have watched 'Little Mosque on the Prairie' and if anything, Muslims are amicable, peaceful people and humourous in a low-keyed Canadian Corner Gas kind of way. In fact, I think Sharia Law might be a nice change from time to time. If you end up in court, before you go in, you spin a wheel-of-fortune that includes Common Law, Civil Law, Sharia Law, Tribal Law, and a Get Off Free. That would make our system so cool. I mean, you might end up getting a 20 dollar fine or you might end up getting your hand cut off. But the really cool part is that you just might get off free.

[Michael Hardner]

The agenda of Islam is for all Islamic nations to band together under one flag and crush the western way of life.

Search Hizb ut-Tahrir and you'll the see the true nature of Islam and its true aims.

Don't be blinded by the Political correctness of the CBC. We are very much under siege.

Do you know any Muslims ? Do they tell you this ? I think you're really over-reacting.

[Jonsa]

Its all spelled out in the Qu'ran.

For judgement day to arrive, the world must be dar-al-salaam (house of peace) and all within must submit to the will of Allah. that's what ALL pious muslims believe or they aren't muslim.

The radical Islamists believe the path to that is thru violence. The wahabbis also beleive this and are not adverse to violence when applied strategically. (those staunch american allies the Saudis are particularly to blame for the spread of that school of Islamic thought).

So it is not incorrect to say that Islam as a religion envisages an end game where the world is muslim. Now you have to say to yourself, is this a practical and achievable goal? Certainly not before Islam goes through its own reformation and reconciliation. And not bloody likely even then.

It makes sense to keep an eye on the loonies, but it aint worth being afraid of them.

[Michael Hardner]

We've already gone over the errors of basing assessments of Islam on excerpts from their holy book. That standard doesn't work for Christians or Jews.

We were talking about that here years ago, I think.

Edited February 14, 2011 by Michael Hardner

[cybercoma]

Seems like every other religion that tries to "save" people. Believe in their mythologies or the moderates will show contempt for your unclean/sinful life, while the extremists call for your death and wage war. The space between the moderates and extremists is such that moderates can turn a blind eye to the horrible injustices done by exremists because those that are not "saved" have merely brought God/Allah's judgment upon themselves.

Edited February 14, 2011 by cybercoma

[Mr.Canada]

I used to speak about my religion all the time on here until I realized it has no bearing on a rational conversation so I stopped doing it, some of you may have noticed. Some here would agrue that I've never been a part of rational conversation in my life but none the less. I am still fairly devout, nothing has changed in that aspect but I don't bring it here in a conversation about politics. These should be separate, I've come to learn and appreciate.

Islamic/Jihadists don't do this. They believe that all aspects of public life should be dictated by their Holy book including politics. Just look at Saudi Arabia, soon they will run out of oil and they'll return to being a third world hell hole no one cares about.

Which is why I cannot understand why the left in this country and elsewhere has this love affair for the Islamists like Hamas and Hezzbollah and shuns Israel and Jewish people in general.

The socialists like the NDP of Canada made this deal with the devil and it's going to come back to bite them in the arse at some point.

[DogOnPorch]

Someone forwarded me a link to this guy Pat Condell:

http://www.patcondell.net/

He's a Brit who did a youtube clip commenting on the recent kerfluffle in Britain over some politico's criticism of official multiculturalism. He comments that in practice it is merely "giving muslims whatever they want and being careful not to offend them, or else you're called racist! And it never works the other way around!"

Unlike some critics, he talks calmly and sensibly. He doesn't seem to be a wingnut or a racist himself at all. He's just a man who believes that multiculturalism has failed in his country because it got perverted into political correctness for the benefit of one faith alone.

He's got some evidence on his side. I thought that although we are not as far down that path as Britain we certainly seem to have taken a few steps that way at times.

Might be some grounds for discussion.

Yup...Pat is a popular fellow. Been following his vids for several years. Have you read the 'feedback' section @ his website?

[Jonsa]

We've already gone over the errors of basing assessments of Islam on excerpts from their holy book. That standard doesn't work for Christians or Jews.

We were talking about that here years ago, I think.

I Can't remember the last time a jew or Christian rioted over an percieved insult to the bible or torah in a place thousands of miles away from the riot. Can't remember jews or Christians rioting over a cartoon of moses or jesus published in a place thousands of miles away.

So perhaps you can go over the errors once more. The assessment of Islam is not just made on excerpts from their holy book, its made on their holy book, the words of their prophet, their religious law, their political treatises and on the actions of muslims themselves. (I concede to the generalization)

There is absolutely no debate in Muslim circles wrt judgement day and its prerequisites. To dismiss muslim desires (and actions of a few) to bring this about because of some false equivalency to Christian or Jewish attitudes toward their own holy books and teachings is foolish and ignores facts.

[Shwa]

I Can't remember the last time a jew or Christian rioted over an percieved insult to the bible or torah in a place thousands of miles away from the riot. Can't remember jews or Christians rioting over a cartoon of moses or jesus published in a place thousands of miles away.

So perhaps you can go over the errors once more. The assessment of Islam is not just made on excerpts from their holy book, its made on their holy book, the words of their prophet, their religious law, their political treatises and on the actions of muslims themselves. (I concede to the generalization)

There is absolutely no debate in Muslim circles wrt judgement day and its prerequisites. To dismiss muslim desires (and actions of a few) to bring this about because of some false equivalency to Christian or Jewish attitudes toward their own holy books and teachings is foolish and ignores facts.

Are you sure? Well, not riots, how about book burnings?

New Testaments in city of Or Yehuda, Israel

Harry Potter books (in various American cities)

Of course you could say that those Harry Potter books were published in the US and thus not "thousands of miles away." Thus I concered the generalization.

[The_Squid]

A peace loving bunch alright....

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31958998/ns/world_news-mideast/n_africa/

Smoldering trash cans and broken glass littered Jerusalem streets Friday morning as police prepared for a fourth day of rioting by ultra-Orthodox Jews enraged at the arrest of a mentally ill Hasidic woman who authorities say was starving her child.

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In recent weeks, ultra-Orthodox Jews and authorities have clashed repeatedly over a decision by Jerusalem Mayor Nir Barkat to open a municipal parking lot on the Sabbath. Ultra-Orthodox Jews oppose the idea because driving is forbidden on the Sabbath.

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[Shwa]

A peace loving bunch alright....

And let's not forget all those Irish Catholics who rioted and set off bombs in England and stuff. Oh wait, that wasn't because of "a place thousands of miles away from the riot" just a few hundred miles. Sorry about that...

[Michael Hardner]

I Can't remember the last time a jew or Christian rioted over an percieved insult to the bible or torah in a place thousands of miles away from the riot. Can't remember jews or Christians rioting over a cartoon of moses or jesus published in a place thousands of miles away.

So perhaps you can go over the errors once more. The assessment of Islam is not just made on excerpts from their holy book, its made on their holy book, the words of their prophet, their religious law, their political treatises and on the actions of muslims themselves. (I concede to the generalization)

There is absolutely no debate in Muslim circles wrt judgement day and its prerequisites. To dismiss muslim desires (and actions of a few) to bring this about because of some false equivalency to Christian or Jewish attitudes toward their own holy books and teachings is foolish and ignores facts.

This "thousands of miles away" part may be relevant. Do Muslims in Canada riot when something happens in Europe perhaps ? You see, you're selecting religion as THE reason for something that has a lot of factors behind it.

[The_Squid]

Did Canadian Muslims riot over the Muhamed cartoons? Or did they just protest? I don't recall, so likely there weren't riots. I think I would remember that...

[scouterjim]

The end result for Christianity, like Islam, is "world dominance". Christians dream of an all Christian Earth. When it comes to fundamentalists of both faiths, the end result is only that: the name of the faith.

Edited February 19, 2011 by scouterjim