nicky10013 Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 (edited) Fantastic Article from Germany's conservative leaning leading magazine. It's an attempt to try and bring down the overheated rhetoric. http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,724418,00.html And that is necessarily the implication. Germans are not worried that using Nazi comparisons are overly offensive to those targeted. Rather, the concern is that such flippant uses of the most horrible chapter in human history, in the case of the Hitler comparisons, and the shocking overreach of a totalitarian state, in the case of East Germany, unavoidably relativizes that history. It makes it easier for people to say "maybe it wasn't all that bad." In the case of Nazism, it makes it easier to ignore the monstrous scale of the crimes committed in the name of a misguided ideology.With Germany's 20th century crimes fading into the past, that is a dangerous path to take. It is a path that all politicians, whatever their leanings, should avoid. The Tea Party should keep their hands off German history. Edited October 24, 2010 by nicky10013 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 (edited) Great....more German arrogance...."worst in human history"...no wonder the rest of Europe hates them! Edited October 24, 2010 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CANADIEN Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 Fantastic Article from Germany's conservative leaning leading magazine. It's an attempt to try and bring down the overheated rhetoric. http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,724418,00.html I remember one year ago or so seeing on TV a woman comparing Obama's health care plan to the Holocaust. Sheer lunacy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 I remember one year ago or so seeing on TV a woman comparing Obama's health care plan to the Holocaust. Sheer lunacy. I remember seven years ago when a woman on TV compared President Bush and the invasion of Iraq to the Holocaust. Sheer comedy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicky10013 Posted October 24, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 I remember one year ago or so seeing on TV a woman comparing Obama's health care plan to the Holocaust. Sheer lunacy. I saw something similar. There was a nutjob on CNN who called Obama a Stalinist. The interviewer rightly called her out on it. She was asked whether or not Obama was going to kill 40 million Americans in the same fashion Stalin did. She WOULD NOT answer the question. The implicit yes nature of her response was nauseating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribblet Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 They do have a point, comparing anyone to Hitler does tend to lessen what actually happened. There are lots of nut jobs out there who like to compare Bush to Hitler too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 They do have a point, comparing anyone to Hitler does tend to lessen what actually happened. There are lots of nut jobs out there who like to compare Bush to Hitler too. Yep...American policies were fascist under Bush, but the exact same policies are not labeled as such under Obama. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicky10013 Posted October 24, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 They do have a point, comparing anyone to Hitler does tend to lessen what actually happened. There are lots of nut jobs out there who like to compare Bush to Hitler too. Of course, but they were the marginalized fringe. Protestors that in the end never really got much attention. Though the act itself is just as bad, the right wingers today doing the same thing have much more pull in the media. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribblet Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 Of course, but they were the marginalized fringe. Protestors that in the end never really got much attention. Though the act itself is just as bad, the right wingers today doing the same thing have much more pull in the media. IMO they were not the marginalized fringe, it was a regular occurrence, left wingers today do it a lot too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Weber Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 (edited) IMO they were not the marginalized fringe, it was a regular occurrence, left wingers today do it a lot too. As do a large proportion of con's who think that Obama is a: 1.Marxist 2.Fascist 3.Not born in the US 4.Muslim However,I find it disconcerting that so many people throw the terms "NAZI" AND "Stalinist" around so easily... It shows a complete lack of an even simple grasp of history... Edited October 24, 2010 by Jack Weber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 Isn't the tea party wing of the Republicans running a Nazi war reactor as an SS officer and his take on it is "You don't understand the Nazi's are misunderstood." Oh and isn't he a "star" candidate for the republicans too? Weird the Republicans and their love for Nazis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribblet Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 Isn't the tea party wing of the Republicans running a Nazi war reactor as an SS officer and his take on it is "You don't understand the Nazi's are misunderstood." Oh and isn't he a "star" candidate for the republicans too? Weird the Republicans and their love for Nazis. Weird the liberals/democrats/left and their love for nazi analogy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 Weird the liberals/democrats/left and their love for nazi analogy It isn't an analogy he literally dresses and acts as a Nazi, and his acted out SS is the very SS that was once lead by one of the worst Nazi Doctors of all time. http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jm06PGA2O4fmLCPDM7IAyk-LH2PA?docId=CNG.aca2a7d7280bbf622f6d149ae826bb52.b41 By the way I enjoy you turning this on Democrats because when someone in the Republican Party said that acting like a Nazi was unacceptable for a Republican candidate to do that candidate said "That sounds like something a Democrat would say". HAHAHAHAHAHA. Peas in a pod eh you and this Nazi guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicky10013 Posted October 24, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 IMO they were not the marginalized fringe, it was a regular occurrence, left wingers today do it a lot too. Do they have Glenn Beck, an organization like Fox News or Sarah Palin (All cited in the article), or in otherwords, people who have a captive audience of millions? The answer is indisputably no. The "regular" occurences under Bush were protestors that carried no political weight. The fact that these concepts are being accepted in popular media and by politicians give them credence and people will think it's ok. How many people in the Democratic party endorsed Hitler references? Seriously? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 How many people in the Democratic party endorsed Hitler references? Seriously? The same number of people in the Republican party that endorse the Hitler references. Is MoveOn.org a Republican or Democrat organization? What about MSNBC? Is comparing Bush to Hilter on network television endorsed by the Democrats? Because an awful lot of them appear on that network, and support that host. Anyways. You Johnny-come-latelies apparently have severe cases of amnesia. Or, you were just pretty silent, and therefore accepting of the one billionth Bush is Hilter comparisons. However, it's all very rich of you to now all of a sudden be so very concerned. Pathetic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 Anyways. You Johnny-come-latelies apparently have severe cases of amnesia. Or, you were just pretty silent, and therefore accepting of the one billionth Bush is Hilter comparisons. However, it's all very rich of you to now all of a sudden be so very concerned. Yep... a very bad case of political amnesia..... "MoveOn.org informed potential ad makers that 'we're not going to post anything that would be inappropriate for television.' Two of the ads posted on the group's Web site compared Adolf Hitler to George W. Bush. One ad morphed an image of Hitler into President Bush and says that, '1945's war crimes' are '2003's foreign policy.'" Rosen says MoveOn.org is "using the memory of that genocide as a political prop. Their comparison diminishes the reality of what happened, and their actions cheapen the memory of a horrific crime. http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/advehsrt.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 Looks like there's an even more recent example. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXEb0ANoKbw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 Looks like there's an even more recent example. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXEb0ANoKbw Yah but in that case Shady there is a Tea partier who is running in AZ who dresses up as a Nazi and pretends to be in the SS. It is a little different. Oh right we ignore that because it does not fit you narrative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicky10013 Posted October 24, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 (edited) The same number of people in the Republican party that endorse the Hitler references. Is MoveOn.org a Republican or Democrat organization? Deplorable, but I don't think they're a Democratic organization. Indeed, they've been blasted by everyone including Democrats. If you read the article, which I know you didn't because you didn't even watch your own video below, Candidates of the Republican Party have been making these comparisons left and right. What about MSNBC? Is comparing Bush to Hilter on network television endorsed by the Democrats? Because an awful lot of them appear on that network, and support that host. Anyways. You Johnny-come-latelies apparently have severe cases of amnesia. Or, you were just pretty silent, and therefore accepting of the one billionth Bush is Hilter comparisons. However, it's all very rich of you to now all of a sudden be so very concerned. Pathetic. As I mentioned above, you didn't even watch the video. You just saw the title of the video, went gee, this is exactly what I need, and posted it. If you still don't know, MSNBC nor Keith Olbermann actually chose that title. Nowhere did Olbermann reference Bush to Hitler in that video. You'll probably claim he did, but why watch? Hell, it's almost 9 minutes long! I don't got that much time! Edited October 24, 2010 by nicky10013 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicky10013 Posted October 24, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 Looks like there's an even more recent example. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXEb0ANoKbw When was the last time anyone took Rob Reiner seriously? He's a walking joke. How many people take Palin and Beck seriously? There's the difference right there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitsy Posted October 25, 2010 Report Share Posted October 25, 2010 The same number of people in the Republican party that endorse the Hitler references. Is MoveOn.org a Republican or Democrat organization? What about MSNBC? Is comparing Bush to Hilter on network television endorsed by the Democrats? Because an awful lot of them appear on that network, and support that host. Anyways. You Johnny-come-latelies apparently have severe cases of amnesia. Or, you were just pretty silent, and therefore accepting of the one billionth Bush is Hilter comparisons. However, it's all very rich of you to now all of a sudden be so very concerned. Pathetic. Shady, Shady, Shady, I cannot believe you fell for the Move-On video. Obviously, you were not paying attention when this first appeared on the conservative outrage screen. In 2004, Move-On ran a contest, Bush in 30 Seconds, the winning video would be featured in a national ad. They received over 1500 amateur videos, and the one you posted was among them. All the videos were posted on their website for members to vote on and when this ad was discovered, it was immediately removed from their website. Move-On apologized for this video and another one they discovered that they deemed to be offensive. How about showing me where Keith Olbermann, MSNBC, compared Bush to Hitler? That was a great clip, and I agree with everything said by Olbermann but Hitler was never mentioned. I never heard a Hitler comparison from MSNBC and unless you can provide a better link that this one, I fear you are as wrong about MSNBC as you were about Move-On. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitsy Posted October 25, 2010 Report Share Posted October 25, 2010 What a lame stretch implying Reiner was calling Teabaggers Nazi's. How do you feel about the ad comparing Obama to the Angel of Death? You don't have to stretch to know who that references. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 25, 2010 Report Share Posted October 25, 2010 What a lame stretch implying Reiner was calling Teabaggers Nazi's. How do you feel about the ad comparing Obama to the Angel of Death? You don't have to stretch to know who that references. The "Angel of Death" is not Hitler....besides...the AoD is a Democrat! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicky10013 Posted October 25, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2010 The "Angel of Death" is not Hitler....besides...the AoD is a Democrat! No, it's not Hitler. Josef Mengele (German pronunciation: [ˈjoːzef ˈmeŋələ],[1] 16 March 1911 – 7 February 1979), also known as the Angel of Death (Todesengel in German), was a German SS officer and a physician in the Nazi concentration camp Auschwitz-Birkenau. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 25, 2010 Report Share Posted October 25, 2010 No, it's not Hitler. Yea..that's what I said. Is there an echo in here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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