Colonel Russell Williams

[guyser]

ft, I absolutely agree.

The media who report these things are only doing so to get attention, IMO. It's unnecessary, and also hypocritical in that they're capitalizing on the misery of others, as the murder did.

You are the Editor.....of the Star (horrors).....and you know the Globe,Natl Post,Sun are all running the pics....

What do you do?

You run them too.

I dont have a real problem with it, it is a chance to teach kids about these things. Young kids wont even look nor care about the pics.

[Sir Bandelot]

It is pure titillation and a gross insult to the victims of his crimes, to reduce the unspeakable things he has done to human beings to a freak show on Page 2. The media should be ashamed of themselves.

Couldn't agree more. I am purposely avoiding looking at these pictures, by not opening any links that may show them. Freak show, for freaks.

[Sir Bandelot]

This guy's military pension is a contracted agreement with his employer into which he paid a sizable sum of money over his years with the military. As such the government can't legally refuse to pay it just because he's vermin.

That doesn't seem to be the case at this point in time.

The military acknowledged it cannot do anything about Williams's pension and he is entitled to it unless the government takes steps to strip him of it.

It would be up to the federal government to enact legislation, for example, said Brig.-Gen. Neville Russell, director general of air personnel. The military would not play a role in the pension issue and has no way of removing the pension, he said.

CBC News

[NA Carter]

I love the gung ho types in the media who are demanding the Williams lose his military pension. These people just can't think through their argument. Not only would this punish Williams, but also his wife. Last I checked, she isn't guilty of any crime. The only logic to this argument is that "she had to know what he was up to". Considering the seperate nature of their living arrangement and his controlling nature, it is HIGHLY unlikely she had a clue until he was cuffed. This isn't Israel, we don't punish relatives for the crimes of their kin.

I also have to agree that this is being oversensationalized. Cross dressing and lingerie fetishes aren't that uncommon. Psychologically, such a fetish would only fall outside of normal if there was significant impairment to day-to-day functioning. Sorry folks, but your average crossdresser is not toing to become a homicidal lunatic. And to the Star, Sun, et al. I DON'T NEED TO SEE WILLIAMS JUNK AT 5:30AM WHILE I'M EATING MY WHEATIES!

Russell Williams: Good officer - bad Craigslist date

[bloodyminded]

I also have to agree that this is being oversensationalized. Cross dressing and lingerie fetishes aren't that uncommon. Psychologically, such a fetish would only fall outside of normal if there was significant impairment to day-to-day functioning. Sorry folks, but your average crossdresser is not toing to become a homicidal lunatic.

Quite true. As baffling as the crossdressing urge appears to most of us, it is utterly benign, and quite independent of the Colonel's more terrifying predilections.

The pictures are little more than a highly sensationalistic method of crying--unfairly to crossdressers--"Further evidence of perversion!"

Edited October 20, 2010 by bloodyminded

[PIK]

What is almost as sickening as Williams actions is the media coverage right now. This mornings paper has 3 large photos of Williams dressed in womens lingerie at crime scenes.

I know what a mostly naked man looks like. I know what womens underwear looks like. I do not need to see the two combined in crime scene photos where the clothing may well belong to a raped and bloody corpse a few feet away.

It is pure titillation and a gross insult to the victims of his crimes, to reduce the unspeakable things he has done to human beings to a freak show on Page 2. The media should be ashamed of themselves.

Putting it on the cover is going to far, but my understanding is that the courts release what pictures the media can use ,to show the public what is going on and it is not being done behind close doors.

[fellowtraveller]

You are the Editor.....of the Star (horrors).....and you know the Globe,Natl Post,Sun are all running the pics....

What do you do?

Simple. You show a little respect to the dignity of the families of the victims, and to the several surviving victims themselves by not running the pics of Williams in lingerie, and do not publish the most salacious details of the crimes.

Nobody is obliged to wallow in their own excrement. It is a choice.

[Sir Bandelot]

This has become a sad travesty, especially for victims families, but also for the military. The courts should impose a publication ban. Although, it is too late for what has already been released. The judge should be reprimanded for his lack of foresight into the impact of the case on the general public. Welcome to "freedom of expression", and freedom of information. Freedom is not worth what people think it is, when it is unrestrained by common decency. Nor is it healthy for the general public to know everything about such horrific and sick individuals as this. Do you think that this guy is the first one ever to be so sadistic and evil, as he is? Hardly. But previously, we were spared the gory details and full colour graphics. Liberals, how do you like that with your morning coffee? Did any of your little kids get to see these pictures, and ask questions? How would you answer that.

This just shows what whores we have become, for the buck. If money us all that really matters to these folks, revoke your subscription.

[guyser]

Simple. You show a little respect to the dignity of the families of the victims, and to the several surviving victims themselves by not running the pics of Williams in lingerie, and do not publish the most salacious details of the crimes.

Nobody is obliged to wallow in their own excrement. It is a choice.

And the next morning you are fired for horrible sales.

It isnt rocket science, and frankly the survivor families can not read the paper, they were afterall for the most part in the courtroom hearing it so....

I dont understand the sense of rage I guess

[capricorn]

You show a little respect to the dignity of the families of the victims, and to the several surviving victims themselves by not running the pics of Williams in lingerie, and do not publish the most salacious details of the crimes

I totally agree. I would also add that the dignity of the two slain women must be considered. They can no longer speak for themselves except for the evidence presented in court. I read that one the slain women (sorry to say I can't remember which of the two) asked her killer to not put any of the photos he took of her on the internet. Wow! I would think this victim would not want a photo of Williams posing in her underwear splashed on the front pages of newspapers. I understand that the public needs to know and see what a monster this person is. But when the victims speak, their voices should be heard not just by the public but by the media at large.

[Saipan]

You would assume that when McKay was proudly hanging out with military murder boy that he might have had a fleeting thought in regards to the Colonels over all vibes..perhaps like...."there is something amiss with this fellow"

That didn't answer the questions. Peter McKay wasn't "hanging out with military murder boy" any more than anyone else did. He's not police profiler.

Where's any evidence Peter McKay hired him or anyone else in the military????

WHEN did Russell Williams start his military career???

Who hired mass murderer Denis Lortie into military????

Who let him out of prison????

[August1991]

The Canada Pension and Old Age Security are geared to providing the necessities of life to seniors with no other income. It can be legitimately argued the state is already providing the necessities of life to Olsen and his ilk and thus has no responsibility to provide him with further money.

This guy's military pension is a contracted agreement with his employer into which he paid a sizable sum of money over his years with the military.

I tend to agree with your logic, Argus.

At issue is whether we should charge prisoners for their lodging. If we do, we make their reinsertion into society even more difficult. In this case of course, this guy will likely never be free.

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As to his military pension, it is his wife who will in fact receive it - not him. What is the point in penalizing her? Moreover, if pending civil cases go through and are successful, it is the victims and their families who stand to benefit from his wealth/pension/income. It is a small mercy that they have horribly suffered at the hands of a wealthy psychopath. Should we deny them his assets?

Simple. You show a little respect to the dignity of the families of the victims, and to the several surviving victims themselves by not running the pics of Williams in lingerie, and do not publish the most salacious details of the crimes.

One of the arguments used to justify releasing this information to the public is so that in the distant future, in 20 years or so, when this guy applies for parole, the facts around the case will be in the public domain.

In a sense, we either live in a democracy or we don't. In civilized societies, the actions of the State are transparent, or as nearly so as possible. I think the judge, the Crown prosecutors and the police investigators have handled this potentially difficult case very well.

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Has the defence minister, public safety minister or PM been as vocal about removing the pension of the killer Colonel as they have other criminals?

I can't recall reading anything about their outrage that the Colonel will continue to receive his $60,000 annual pension.

That didn't answer the questions. Peter McKay wasn't "hanging out with military murder boy" any more than anyone else did. He's not police profiler.

Rick & Saipan, can you give it a rest? Must you view every issue in a federal partisan light? Surely this story (of all stories) has nothing to do one's opinion of Stephen Harper.

Edited October 21, 2010 by August1991

[CANADIEN]

Rick & Saipan, can you give it a rest? Must you view every issue in a federal partisan light? Surely this story (of all stories) has nothing to do one's opinion of Stephen Harper.

Agreed.

Trying to pin responsibility forthese horrible crimes on either current or past government is not even cheap politics. It's lunacy.

[fellowtraveller]

And the next morning you are fired for horrible sales.

It isnt rocket science, and frankly the survivor families can not read the paper, they were afterall for the most part in the courtroom hearing it so....

I dont understand the sense of rage I guess

??? What rage? Ypou don't understand why the families are upset? Is your name Dr Lecter? It is unlikely the survivors families are unable to read.

And let us examine your notion that anybody will get fired. Porn is very popular and very profitable. Yet daily newspapers do not print porn. There is no reason to think they cannot simply report the situation without the nasty photos and nastier details of the torment of these poor women, and their families.

The papers crossed a line they cannot uncross.

Something simialr nearly happened, the papers lawyers campaigned long and hard to get the snuff movies made by Bernardo and Homolka. They'd have been on the internet in hours. Credit to the courts for keeping these dead children from an eternity of exploitation. On the other hand, the courts owed the families big time after screwing up the prosecution.

[bloodyminded]

This has become a sad travesty, especially for victims families, but also for the military. The courts should impose a publication ban. Although, it is too late for what has already been released. The judge should be reprimanded for his lack of foresight into the impact of the case on the general public. Welcome to "freedom of expression", and freedom of information. Freedom is not worth what people think it is, when it is unrestrained by common decency. Nor is it healthy for the general public to know everything about such horrific and sick individuals as this. Do you think that this guy is the first one ever to be so sadistic and evil, as he is? Hardly. But previously, we were spared the gory details and full colour graphics. Liberals, how do you like that with your morning coffee? Did any of your little kids get to see these pictures, and ask questions? How would you answer that.

This just shows what whores we have become, for the buck. If money us all that really matters to these folks, revoke your subscription.

What does this have to do with "liberals" again?

[Sir Bandelot]

This has become a sad travesty, especially for victims families, but also for the military. The courts should impose a publication ban. Although, it is too late for what has already been released. The judge should be reprimanded for his lack of foresight into the impact of the case on the general public. Welcome to "freedom of expression", and freedom of information. Freedom is not worth what people think it is, when it is unrestrained by common decency. Nor is it healthy for the general public to know everything about such horrific and sick individuals as this. Do you think that this guy is the first one ever to be so sadistic and evil, as he is? Hardly. But previously, we were spared the gory details and full colour graphics. Liberals, how do you like that with your morning coffee? Did any of your little kids get to see these pictures, and ask questions? How would you answer that.

This just shows what whores we have become, for the buck. If money us all that really matters to these folks, revoke your subscription.

What does this have to do with "liberals" again?

Quite a lot. But I bolded the main point for you.

[bloodyminded]

Quite a lot. But I bolded the main point for you.

So you think the fact that it was splashed on the front pages, showing a lack of "common decency," has something to do with "liberals."

Aside from the fact that we could expose a legion of manifest deviations from "common decency" in the hands of conservatives quite easily--and no doubt you're 100% aware of this--in what other ways does it have to do with "liberals"? ("Quite a lot," you posited...so, what else?)

Edited October 21, 2010 by bloodyminded

[Saipan]

Rick & Saipan, can you give it a rest? Must you view every issue in a federal partisan light? Surely this story (of all stories) has nothing to do one's opinion of Stephen Harper.

I'm glad the fog is beginning to lift.

[Oleg Bach]

Some say that McKay "is not a police profiler" - true..but as Minister Of Defence he surely must have some instinctive power in regards to profiling and understanding a hostile force?

Looking at the video of Williams with his little patch of hair on his military head and that smile that shows the maturity of a 12 year old boy interested in naive farm animals ...I got to thinking...This poor son of a bitch is and was and will be - a pitiful weak little worm of a creature.

IF this is any indication of military leadership - such great immaturity - great lack of wisdom and understanding - great selfishness to the ultmate extreme - great and empty pride - along with a great need to kill...well we are in trouble.

Now for my instictive less cerebral approach to this issue - Colonel Williams should have had a good look at himself years ago - the day he decieded to distance himself from the responsiblity of relating to woman - and men..the day he jerked off while sniffing aunt Marthas soiled panties...eeeeh...........that - is pretty instinctive..and base...I guess when you have power over a thousand men and woman - the last thing you want to do if you are Colonel Williams is to veiw them as living human beings ---------every thing is an object to this man...and heaven forbid that he was NOT deployed too Afhanistan - our reputation would have suffered greatly by the effect of his stupidity..which is evil.

[bush_cheney2004]

and heaven forbid that he was NOT deployed too Afhanistan - our reputation would have suffered greatly by the effect of his stupidity..which is evil.

Yea....your "reputation" is intact because all of the panty raids, sexual assaults, and murders happened only in Canada!

[guyser]

??? What rage?

The rage here on MLW, the rage against these pics and info being released.

It is unlikely the survivors families are unable to read.

The family would know this makes the papers , warts and all.

And let us examine your notion that anybody will get fired. Porn is very popular and very profitable. Yet daily newspapers do not print porn.

True, they don't. But if it is news they sure as hell will.

You didn't see pics of Tiger Woods' mistresses?

Pics released of Kristen Mahaffey from Bernardo trial?

Pics of the soldiers strung from the bridge?

I could go on you know.

Something similar nearly happened, the papers lawyers campaigned long and hard to get the snuff movies made by Bernardo and Homolka. They'd have been on the internet in hours. Credit to the courts for keeping these dead children from an eternity of exploitation. On the other hand, the courts owed the families big time after screwing up the prosecution.

The court will keep Williams tape from the public too, but like they did in St Kitts w Bernardo, pics were released.

Edited October 21, 2010 by guyser

[Sir Bandelot]

So you think the fact that it was splashed on the front pages, showing a lack of "common decency," has something to do with "liberals."

Because the immoralist relativist believes that there is no abolute definition of right and wrong, and the only thing that matters is what suits your personal preference. This is seen in many ways in our western liberal society, in the media, in movies, on TV. In songs. In clothing styles, and in the attitude towards family life.

--> Aside from the fact that we could expose a legion of manifest deviations from "common decency" in the hands of conservatives quite easily--and no doubt you're 100% aware of this

I am 100% aware that that the biggest challenge in almost every debate and problem in society is finding the appropriate balance between the two seemingly opposite viewpoints. Conservatism left unchecked leads to harsh rules imposed in a theocracy. The question always must be, where to draw the line.

--> in what other ways does it have to do with "liberals"? ("Quite a lot," you posited...so, what else?)

Not necessarily a number, but an extent. In the things I just wrote, the permissiveness, the porn. Sex and horror were this mans gods. Considering he already plead guilty there is no need to delve into every detail and expose it fully and graphically to the public. It does not further the case. Arguments that it will keep him locked up longer are pure horseshit, not substantiated by other similar cases. Promoting these visually disturbing images can only give others like him a rise.

[bush_cheney2004]

Because the immoralist relativist believes that there is no abolute definition of right and wrong, and the only thing that matters is what suits your personal preference. This is seen in many ways in our western liberal society, in the media, in movies, on TV. In songs. In clothing styles, and in the attitude towards family life.

Don't worry....the CRTC will protect you! ROFLMAOL! Go join the Taliban bro.

Edited October 21, 2010 by bush_cheney2004

[guyser]

Sex and horror were this mans gods. Considering he already plead guilty there is no need to delve into every detail and expose it fully and graphically to the public. It does not further the case. Arguments that it will keep him locked up longer are pure horseshit, not substantiated by other similar cases. Promoting these visually disturbing images can only give others like him a rise.

Yes, we know nothing about the Bernardo case.

Know nothing about the Picton case

Know nothing about the Olsen case

Know nothing about the Dahmer case

Know nothing about.,....shall I go on?

[GostHacked]

Don't worry....the CRTC will protect you! ROFLMAOL! Go join the Taliban bro.

Like how Karzai is?