Toronto Municipal Elections 2010

[Archanfel]

That's good for her, but Canada doesn't need her here. We don't even have enough jobs for ourselves. This is again a 'number's factual thingy' that the far left don't like discussing.

She does a lot of damage by being here that is too long to get into.

Her dreams came true here, but at a cost to a Canadian. We are the only country in the world that allows this 'crime' to happen. (Australia arguably also).

Let's put it this way, I would MUCH rather have welfare indolents from Somalia here than your wife as your wife causes MUCH more damage to our country than the indolents. But that is probably a bit over your head to reason with you exactly why.

(and no it's not your wife in specific of course, I'm just using her as an example.. people like her do not benefit Canada at all, but rather do 'extreme' damage to our country).

Doing something at a cost to a Canadian does not necessarily means that it's not what Canada needs. Don't tell me you don't shave or take showers because you worry about the cost to a particular cell.

Having said that, I am not sure why Rob Ford even expressed an opinion on this as a mayoral candidate (or why we are even discussing this in the "Local Politics" forum). It's simply none of his business as a municipal politician. I wouldn't judge him based on his stance on immigration one way or the other, but I do think he got the classic foot in mouth syndrome.

Edited September 1, 2010 by Archanfel

[Jobin Shabe]

I was listening to Bowie the other day and a parody of Ziggy Stardust popped into my head - focussed on the mayoral election, and how I felt about Ford, Smitherman, Rossi, etc.

Permit me to share - Hope you enjoy:

Ohh, no...

Rob Ford played the part,

rantin' good for 'Burbs and Angry,

who felt taxed too far

He played it Right hand;

a populist star

Became the zeitgeist man,

'spite Miller's still-strong brand

Rob Ford really spun,

lying eyes, Dennehy hairdo

Florida forgotten

Could lick 'em by pandering,

intolerance would stun

He came on so loaded, man

Service cuts with no plan

So where was Smitherman?

while this guy defined the campaign?

Mr. Nice Guy "incumbent"?

We'd prefer George Furious,

'though now Rocco-curious

Rob Ford's playing for time,

jiving with "not perfect" voodoo

The guy is just crass

Low-rent Harris;

such a one-note ass

Can he go all too far,

playing the inch-deep part?

Making love with his ego

Rob Ford believed his own bluster,

like a tax cut Messiah

If George thinks its a cakewalk

then the voters will balk

Ohh, no...

Rob Ford played the part

- Jobin Shabe

@jobinshabe on Twitter

**** THE ORIGINAL BOWIE/ZIGGY STARDUST LYRICS ****

Ohh, yeah

Ziggy played guitar,

jammin' good with Weird and Gilly

And the Spiders from Mars,

he played it left hand

But made it too far

Became the special man,

then we were Ziggy's band

Ziggy really sang,

screwed up eyes and screwed down hairdo

Like some cat from Japan,

he could lick 'em by smiling

He could leave 'em to hang

They came on so loaded man,

well hung and snow white tan

So where were the Spiders?

While the fly tried to break our balls

Just a beer light to guide us

So we bitched about his fans,

and should we crush his sweet hands?

Ziggy played for time,

jiving us that we were voodoo

The kids were just crass, he was the nazz

With God given ass

He took it all too far,

but boy could he play guitar

Making love with his ego

Ziggy sucked up into his mind

Like a leper Messiah

When the kids had killed the man

I had to break up the band

Ohh, yeah

Ziggy played guitar

[Wild Bill]

I was listening to Bowie the other day and a parody of Ziggy Stardust popped into my head - focussed on the mayoral election, and how I felt about Ford, Smitherman, Rossi, etc.

Well, I don't share your political leanings. The last thing I want to see is another leftwing mayor running Toronto! It would only mean they'd waste more money and bleed it out of the taxes of those of us who live in the rest of the province. I'd be happiest if Toronto just disappeared!

That being said, I loved your parody! I make my living from musicians and have been immersed in that aspect of society since I was very young.

You did a nice job! Just a cheer for the wrong team, as far as I'm concerned.

[mikedavid00]

Doing something at a cost to a Canadian does not necessarily means that it's not what Canada needs

I disagree.

It disrupts the natural law of supply and demand.

[bloodyminded]

Our family has withdrawn voting and supporting our current riding because islamic immigrants have hijacked it. If we move to a normal part of Canada, then we may take part in the process some day.

Yeah, not voting is precisely the way to affect changes.

Also my neighbours are both Liberal supporters (both retired civil servants and immigrants) so a Conservative sign would scare them and create bad blood.

You've got to be kidding. On my street alone, you can see the signs of four parties.

[bloodyminded]

I disagree.

It disrupts the natural law of supply and demand.

Oh Christ. So does advertising.

[Mr.Canada]

No...he is more like a Mike Harris clone with an appearance and the controversial intelligence of Gary McHale.

You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. Have you followed his career beyond what the media has told you in the past couple of weeks?

He is fiscally conservative and socially Liberal. There is a spending problem at city hall in Toronto and a air of entitlement which needs to be curtailed.

[guyser]

Hi mikey !

You obviously didnt spend your time away from here garnering any intelligence did you ?

Still stuck on stupid are you ? Not only that, you parade it. Ever stuck an ice cream cone on your forehead and yelled Unicorn? (psst, they arent real mikey)

That's good for her, but Canada doesn't need her here. We don't even have enough jobs for ourselves.

Yes, we dont need intelligent hardworking people, we have lazy dumb fucks the likes of y....er..umm ...oh lots of those, born right here ! Hi mikey !

This is again a 'number's factual thingy' that the far left don't like discussing.

got some factual thingy's to discuss? Naw....didnt think so.

She does a lot of damage by being here that is too long to get into.

Damn right she does damage ! Spends money reno'ing a home, spends on new cars, furniture, music, entertainment.

Why ...she does damage by helping you count out her change from a 10 spot at McDonalds ! "Why you should have seen the dumb ass I had to help today. Couldnt count change from a $10 spot when the order was $6.25 (tip for ya, count up...3 quarters makes $7 , plus a loonie_those are the gold ones-plus a toonie-those are the shiny ones with a differnt centre.)

Aw dont worry mikey. you will always stand as a beacon of what not to emulate . Why you should tour schools and coach the kids to stay in school....."or you'll be just like me "

Kids would be scared stright in staying in school and working hard.

[mikedavid00]

Kids would be scared stright in staying in school and working hard.

Wow you're so unintelligent. You have the logic of a 15 year old. Like a high school student.

[charter.rights]

Wow you're so unintelligent. You have the logic of a 15 year old. Like a high school student.

And yet that is something you should aspire to.....

[Bonam]

That's good for her, but Canada doesn't need her here. We don't even have enough jobs for ourselves. This is again a 'number's factual thingy' that the far left don't like discussing.

She does a lot of damage by being here that is too long to get into.

Her dreams came true here, but at a cost to a Canadian. We are the only country in the world that allows this 'crime' to happen. (Australia arguably also).

Let's put it this way, I would MUCH rather have welfare indolents from Somalia here than your wife as your wife causes MUCH more damage to our country than the indolents. But that is probably a bit over your head to reason with you exactly why.

(and no it's not your wife in specific of course, I'm just using her as an example.. people like her do not benefit Canada at all, but rather do 'extreme' damage to our country).

What? That's nonsense. I tend to agree with the view that we have too many immigrants coming in and that many of them are a drain on society rather than a benefit. But if you look at an individual like the woman in question, who speaks the language(s), has a good education, holds a good job, etc, then they are exactly the kind of person Canada needs and I see no reason not to welcome them. What kind of "damage" are you talking about?

[Oleg Bach]

Toronto Sun

This guy strikes me like a Rudi Giuliani or a Régis Labeaume.

What's up?

Ford is a frugal little rich pig who looks like a cheap pig because he is one - the other candidates are self centred cut throat carreer types tied in with selfish homos...Toronto is a stressed city - the poor are taxed to death - as are the middle class and upper classes - once you stress a city ( the economic brain of Canada) to the point of depressing the population - the whole house of cards will come tumbling down - we have no one fit to be mayor in this city other than me...

[Black Dog]

Ford's transit plan: scrap streetcars for subways; more cars

Coupla things:

1. $1B plus for this plan seems pretty steep coming from a self-proclaimed fiscal conservative who has pledged to slash the city's revenue. Where's the money coming from?

2. How does increasing the volume of cars on the streets help reduce congestion?

I've only just moved to Toronto, but I can already see a Ford win would be bad news bears.

Edited September 8, 2010 by Black Dog

[Dog]

1. $1B plus for this plan seems a little low to stave off the impending grid lock that is about to over whelm Toronto .

2. Car traffic is going to increase short of banning cars in the city just due to the population increase we are going to experince for the next decade . You have to move more cars faster is the idea of the plan .

From one Dog to another who didnt just move here ,Toronto needs Ford right now .

[Black Dog]

1. $1B plus for this plan seems a little low to stave off the impending grid lock that is about to over whelm Toronto .

$1B from a guy who is promising to cut city revenue. Where's the money coming from? (Especially since now that I see it's actually a $4B transit plan.)

2. Car traffic is going to increase short of banning cars in the city just due to the population increase we are going to experince for the next decade . You have to move more cars faster is the idea of the plan .

It won't work. If increasing traffic capacity actually fixed congestion, the L.A. freeways would look like the Autobahn. Taking streetcars and bikes off the downtown roads and replacing them with cars won't do a damn thing to alleviate gridlock. The only cure for gridlock is getting people out of cars. Actually, banning cars isn't a bad idea, though something like a congestion charge would probably be worth considering as well.

From one Dog to another who didnt just move here ,Toronto needs Ford right now .

I may not know much about Toronto, but I know a thing or two about urban planning and Ford's plan, in addition to being a retrograde relic of the '50s (much like the rest of the man's politics it seems), just won't work.

Edited September 9, 2010 by Black Dog

[M.Dancer]

At first I thought Ford might be the kick in the pants that TO needs, but after looking in to him, he's nothing more than a loud mouthed bully with no ideas and no IQ to acquire any.

[Michael Hardner]

At first I thought Ford might be the kick in the pants that TO needs, but after looking in to him, he's nothing more than a loud mouthed bully with no ideas and no IQ to acquire any.

Still. In a scene full of polite and dreadfully boring socialists, who would you like to have show up ?

Dr. David Suzuki ? Or Carl Sagan ? Or John Belushi ?

Imagine the movie, and you'll have your answer.

[Oleg Bach]

Still. In a scene full of polite and dreadfully boring socialists, who would you like to have show up ?

Dr. David Suzuki ? Or Carl Sagan ? Or John Belushi ?

Imagine the movie, and you'll have your answer.

Lost respect for David Suzuki the little coward when he could not bare watching his father die and suggested that uthenasia would have been a good thing in order to remove HIS distress at the expense of his poor father.

[mikedavid00]

then they are exactly the kind of person Canada needs

That's the thing. She's not needed. Remember the key word is needed.

Tell that she's needed to all my educated friends with degree's who can't find work in their field.

Educated immigrants are NOT needed in Canada.

[msdogfood]

They may think that, but the mayor only has one vote and the majority of the council will be from the Liberal/NDP side of things. He'll get nothing he wants done and scream about it through his entire term. Just due to that, if elected, he'll be easily the most divisive mayor of the past generation. Furthermore, he's a one issue candidate. Toronto has so many complex issues, he's just the wrong guy for the job. I'd like a guy who would reign in spending, but there has to be more depth to the platform than just that.

I agree!!.

[Oleg Bach]

Between the numero uno homo - and Rob Ford the human pig..it seems that we are in trouble....one code my dad taught me is "there are others" - Ford eats too much - which means that he is not generous and an energy glutton - I wish that black guy from Scarborough would run - he has good advisors - likes science and education...and is a Chrisitian ...BUT Toronto might not be ready for a black mayor - to bad - Instead all we have are careerists...selfish jerks who want the lime light but will shed no light on any real economic or social issue.

[Count Ziggy Layton]

Not His Brother's Keeper - Smitherman's Own Brother Opts For Ford!

- After starting out with a big lead of roughly 35% of decided voters six months ago and with none of the other candidates into even the 20s, George Smitherman started to slowly loose support as Rob Ford gained in the polls, lost the lead to Ford by a couple of points three months ago and now trails Rob Ford by 34-22% as a distant second.

- Tuesday was to be a Smitherman Day because Slippery Smitherman in classic Lieberal fashion had figured out that the public was pissed with Toronto's high taxes, new fees, high spending and big debt and wanted a conservative solution to this economic and fiscal crisis.

- So Slippery Smitherman decided to channel and even echo Rob Ford, promising voters that he would invoke a tax and fees freeze and a hiring freeze and consider also a spending freeze in Toronto for at least his first year as mayor.

- This, the Lieberal Smitherman team calculated, was something that would finally get George rising in the polls again instead of slowly declining in public support.

- But alas, George's big day of momentum building turned out to be his big day of embarrassment.

- Turns out that Slippery Smitherman's only brother Arthur is running for Toronto council and is endorsing Rob Ford for mayor. Arthur says its not a family feud, he simply doesn't subscribe to left wing policies as the way to extricate Toronto from its fiscal fiasco and he met Rob Ford at a barbecue a few weeks ago, they hit it off like gangbusters, and he is suitably impressed by Ford's conservative credentials and approach to the city's problems.

- Now there may be some element of a family feud in this bizarre situation in that he and George have barely spoken to each other since the early 90s when their father died and George was a coke addicted gay sex enthusiast hitting all the bars and bathouses in Toronto's gay district.

- But I think that it is primarily because Arthur is wisely, as he says, un impressed with left wing approaches to the problems the city faces, believes in Ford's integrity and his determination to aggressively tackle the waste, inefficiencies, corruption and entitlement culture at Socialist Silly Hall, and doesn't trust his brother for a nanosecond to keep his promises anymore than when he was Premier McGuilty's deputy and they broke their promise not to raise taxes by introducing the biggest single tax hike since WWII.

- Anyhow, this latest development should put the last nail in Smitherman's campaign coffin.

- Meanwhile, Rob Ford's older brother is working his ass off as campaign manager for, naturally, Rob Ford and also running for council to be part of the new Ford team at City Hall.

- Its great when a family comes together like this!

- As for the horse race overall, Ford and Rossi will finish 1-2, probably with Ford slightly ahead, Smitherman 3rd, Thompson 4th and the Miller and monopoly public sector union apologist Joe Pantalone running dead last where he belongs.

[daniel]

It's hard to beat a campaign that's cliched the demographic of drunk-drivers, wife-beaters and slumlords. That's a lot of people.

[bloodyminded]

What? That's nonsense. I tend to agree with the view that we have too many immigrants coming in and that many of them are a drain on society rather than a benefit. But if you look at an individual like the woman in question, who speaks the language(s), has a good education, holds a good job, etc, then they are exactly the kind of person Canada needs and I see no reason not to welcome them. What kind of "damage" are you talking about?

Miscegenation, presumably.

[bloodyminded]

Still. In a scene full of polite and dreadfully boring socialists, who would you like to have show up ?

Dr. David Suzuki ? Or Carl Sagan ? Or John Belushi ?

Imagine the movie, and you'll have your answer.

"I'm a zit!"

Yeah, you might be right.