PoliticalCitizen Posted August 17, 2010 Report Posted August 17, 2010 End links to British monarchy: Australian PM http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2010/08/17/australia-monarchy-end.html#socialcomments Finally - a commonwealth country realizes they're not a colony anymore and don't have to bow to foreign masters! I was hoping Canada would be the first to renounce the ties, but the least we could do is follow the lead. Let's be honest - who needs the English queen here? - The First Nations? They were all but exterminated by the British invaders; - Quebec? I'm sure they're grateful there's no more New France; - Millions of immigrants? Swearing loyalty to the British queen to become a citizen of Canada seems at best absurd. We have grown as a nation and have built our society around values such as FREEDOM and EQUALITY. Monarchy stands for the exact opposite - SERVITUDE and INEQUALITY. It is time for us to relinquish the ties to the dark colonial past and become the nation we are meant to be - a country of the 21st century where immigrants from all nations live peacefully side by side and work together to make their homeland an example for the rest of the world. Quote You are what you do.
Guest American Woman Posted August 17, 2010 Report Posted August 17, 2010 It sounds to me as if the suggestion has been made, not that the decision has been made. Seems to me your thread title is misleading. Quote
M.Dancer Posted August 17, 2010 Report Posted August 17, 2010 Han't happened yet and probabaly won't. They wouldn't be the first commonwealth country to do so either....maybe learning some history forst might allow you a more educated position on the subject. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Smallc Posted August 17, 2010 Report Posted August 17, 2010 Finally - a commonwealth country realizes they're not a colony anymore and don't have to bow to foreign masters! We realized were weren't a colony a long time ago...and it's a good thing we don't have foreign masters. I was hoping Canada would be the first to renounce the ties, but the least we could do is follow the lead. We wouldn't be the first....not by a long shot. Let's be honest - who needs the English queen here? No one. The Canadian Queen though, is rather important. - The First Nations? They were all but exterminated by the British invaders; And the treaties with them are singed...wait for it...in the name of the Crown of Canada. - Quebec? I'm sure they're grateful there's no more New France; They should be. They've done far better with Canada than they would on their own. - Millions of immigrants? Swearing loyalty to the British queen to become a citizen of Canada seems at best absurd. It very much would be absurd. We have grown as a nation and have built our society around values such as FREEDOM and EQUALITY. Well actually, our society was built around the idea of peace, order, and good government. Monarchy stands for the exact opposite - SERVITUDE and INEQUALITY. Maybe absolute monarchy does, but constitutional monarchy certainly doesn't. Norway, Sweden, the UK, Spain, Netherlands, Denmark...etc, etc. Those are all pretty good places if you ask me. It is time for us to relinquish the ties to the dark colonial past and become the nation we are meant to be - a country of the 21st century where immigrants from all nations live peacefully side by side and work together to make their homeland an example for the rest of the world. Well then may I be the first to welcome you to such a country - Canada. Quote
GostHacked Posted August 17, 2010 Report Posted August 17, 2010 Smallc The Queen of Canada is only in name, in fact we have the same queen the Brits have. Quote
segnosaur Posted August 17, 2010 Report Posted August 17, 2010 We have grown as a nation and have built our society around values such as FREEDOM and EQUALITY. Monarchy stands for the exact opposite - SERVITUDE and INEQUALITY. I doubt anybody in Canada day considers the queen someone to be "Subservient" to. The Queen is a figurehead, with very limited powers, and the existence of this figurehead does not really diminish our freedoms in any way. So, to abolish the monarchy, we'd have to do some major constitutional changes (which, as we saw with things like Meech lake, is not easy, and can potentially destroy the country), and the only real 'benefit' would be a symbolic one. There are much more productive ways to spend our time if someone really wants to improve "Freedom and equality". Plus, the existence of the monarchy is a link to our past. Canada is a relatively young country, and frankly I think its rather interesting that we would keep institutions that predate confederation. Quote
Smallc Posted August 17, 2010 Report Posted August 17, 2010 (edited) Smallc The Queen of Canada is only in name, in fact we have the same queen the Brits have. No, it isn't only in name. We choose to allow her to occupy the office, an office completely separate from all others. Only her Canadian ministers can advise her on internal Canadian matters. Edited August 17, 2010 by Smallc Quote
GostHacked Posted August 17, 2010 Report Posted August 17, 2010 No, it isn't only in name. We choose to allow her to occupy the office, an office completely separate from all others. Only her Canadian ministers can advise her on internal Canadian matters. Ok, tell me who is the Queen of Canada? Can you name her? Quote
DogOnPorch Posted August 17, 2010 Report Posted August 17, 2010 Her majesty is a pretty nice girl... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoC9DuZZKF0 Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Guest TrueMetis Posted August 17, 2010 Report Posted August 17, 2010 They keep talking about it but they aren't going to do it because there is zero benefit in doing it, and potentially a lot of detriment. Quote
Smallc Posted August 17, 2010 Report Posted August 17, 2010 Ok, tell me who is the Queen of Canada? Can you name her? The fact that we're in personal union with 15 other countries doesn't mean that the offices in all 16 countries aren't completely separate. Quote
M.Dancer Posted August 17, 2010 Report Posted August 17, 2010 Smallc The Queen of Canada is only in name, in fact we have the same queen the Brits have. Same with the Queen of Scotland and Wales....it's a green issue....queen pooling reduces carbon output Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
ToadBrother Posted August 17, 2010 Report Posted August 17, 2010 End links to British monarchy: Australian PM http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2010/08/17/australia-monarchy-end.html#socialcomments Finally - a commonwealth country realizes they're not a colony anymore and don't have to bow to foreign masters! I was hoping Canada would be the first to renounce the ties, but the least we could do is follow the lead. Let's be honest - who needs the English queen here? - The First Nations? They were all but exterminated by the British invaders; Ah, I see, so the quick solution to the obvious problem that most First Nations are in fact Monarchists is to say most of 'em are dead, so who cares. What an auspicious start to the new Republic, by a little Indian stomping. - Quebec? I'm sure they're grateful there's no more New France; That's certainly not the way their ancestors felt. I have no idea how the Quebecois feel about that. Neither, I suspect, do you. - Millions of immigrants? Swearing loyalty to the British queen to become a citizen of Canada seems at best absurd. They're swearing loyalty to the Canadian Queen. There is a pretty substantial difference. We have grown as a nation and have built our society around values such as FREEDOM and EQUALITY. And? Monarchy stands for the exact opposite - SERVITUDE and INEQUALITY. I don't recall the Queen demanding me lick Her boots. And, by definition, heads of state are hardly equal with average citizens, no matter how much we may pretend otherwise. It is time for us to relinquish the ties to the dark colonial past and become the nation we are meant to be - a country of the 21st century where immigrants from all nations live peacefully side by side and work together to make their homeland an example for the rest of the world. Can you name one solid structural reason to move away from the Monarchy. I'm not talking about the pretensions and hyperbole you put forward, but pure political mechanics. I want to know why we should open the Constitution, put at risk our national unity, just to name someone else head of state. Are you proposing a different kind of republic; presidential, semi-presidential, otherwise? Give me something other than anti-monarchist platitudes. Quote
Jack Weber Posted August 17, 2010 Report Posted August 17, 2010 Same with the Queen of Scotland and Wales....it's a green issue....queen pooling reduces carbon output EnviroMarxist!!!!! Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
g_bambino Posted August 17, 2010 Report Posted August 17, 2010 Finally - a commonwealth country realizes they're not a colony anymore and don't have to bow to foreign masters! I'm pretty sure a Commonwealth country knew before now that it wasn't a colony anymore. In fact, Canada did just that quite some time ago. Given such facts: if we're not a colony and don't bow to foreign masters, why are you slobbering on about the monarchy being foreign and us living in servitude? Quote
g_bambino Posted August 17, 2010 Report Posted August 17, 2010 The Queen of Canada is only in name, in fact we have the same queen the Brits have. No, we have as our queen the same person the Brits have as their queen. The positions she holds - Queen of Canada being one - are quite separate and distinct. Quote
Jack Weber Posted August 17, 2010 Report Posted August 17, 2010 I thought the Queen of Canada was our very own Miss Regina Wheat Festival Queen??? Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
PoliticalCitizen Posted August 17, 2010 Author Report Posted August 17, 2010 Han't happened yet and probabaly won't. They wouldn't be the first commonwealth country to do so either....maybe learning some history forst might allow you a more educated position on the subject. We'll see about that. Who are they going to bow to? King Charles? Queen Camilla? What about us? Are we going to bow to any of the above? The lack of knowledge of history didn't prevent anyone from making history. The Canadian allegiance to British Monarchy should be history. Quote You are what you do.
maple_leafs182 Posted August 17, 2010 Report Posted August 17, 2010 Well apperently the queen owns the Bank of Canada. The capital of the bank is divided into one hundred thousand shares with a par value of $50.00 each. (Section 17.1 and 17.2) and the shares are held by the Minister on behalf of Her Majesty in right of Canada! (Section 17.3 of the BoC Act.) It would seem that the BoC is owned by the Queen, a foreign head of state and not owned by the Government of Canada. http://www.members.shaw.ca/theultimatescam/The%20Bank%20of%20Canada.htm We should lose the Queen and become a republic, not the American way of a republic, they have given the Administrator or Executive far too much power. Quote │ _______ [███STOP███]▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ :::::::--------------Conservatives beleive ▄▅█FUNDING THIS█▅▄▃▂- - - - - --- -- -- -- -------- Liberals lie I██████████████████] ...◥⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙'(='.'=)' ⊙
PoliticalCitizen Posted August 17, 2010 Author Report Posted August 17, 2010 (edited) We realized were weren't a colony a long time ago...and it's a good thing we don't have foreign masters. Yet we still bow to them. We wouldn't be the first....not by a long shot. As long as we're not the last... No one. The Canadian Queen though, is rather important. You mean someone who was born in Canada, lives in Canada and is of Canadian ancestry? And the treaties with them are singed...wait for it...in the name of the Crown of Canada. That changes nothing. They should be. They've done far better with Canada than they would on their own. You go tell them that It very much would be absurd. And so it is. Well actually, our society was built around the idea of peace, order, and good government. So is a penitentiary, without the FREEDOM part. Maybe absolute monarchy does, but constitutional monarchy certainly doesn't. Norway, Sweden, the UK, Spain, Netherlands, Denmark...etc, etc. Those are all pretty good places if you ask me. The places are good. That doesn't change what monarchy symbolizes, which is the opposite of democratic values. Well then may I be the first to welcome you to such a country - Canada. Thank you. With the help of millions of new immigrants that have the same ideas about monarchy as I do, we'll shape it to fit the described image. Edited August 17, 2010 by PoliticalCitizen Quote You are what you do.
PIK Posted August 17, 2010 Report Posted August 17, 2010 Lets just get rid of everything to do with out history, to hell with our ancesters. Lets get rid of hockey and football and we will just play soccor. Lets open up this country to every person in the world and we will all rape and pilliage this place till there is nothing left. Who's in? Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
g_bambino Posted August 17, 2010 Report Posted August 17, 2010 The Canadian allegiance to British Monarchy should be history. Could you answer my question, please? Quote
bloodyminded Posted August 17, 2010 Report Posted August 17, 2010 Lets just get rid of everything to do with out history, to hell with our ancesters. Lets get rid of hockey and football and we will just play soccor. Lets open up this country to every person in the world and we will all rape and pilliage this place till there is nothing left. Who's in? ....Um....rape and pillage, you say? I call shotgun! Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
g_bambino Posted August 17, 2010 Report Posted August 17, 2010 We should lose the Queen and become a republic... Highly unlikely: The Crown is too deeply embedded in our constitution and is too central to the way our federation is set up. Removing it will require nation-wide reorganisation that will see the provinces lose their equal status with the federal sphere. Good luck getting all ten to agree to that, especially for no good reason. Quote
PoliticalCitizen Posted August 17, 2010 Author Report Posted August 17, 2010 I doubt anybody in Canada day considers the queen someone to be "Subservient" to. The Queen is a figurehead, with very limited powers, and the existence of this figurehead does not really diminish our freedoms in any way. So, to abolish the monarchy, we'd have to do some major constitutional changes (which, as we saw with things like Meech lake, is not easy, and can potentially destroy the country), and the only real 'benefit' would be a symbolic one. There are much more productive ways to spend our time if someone really wants to improve "Freedom and equality". Plus, the existence of the monarchy is a link to our past. Canada is a relatively young country, and frankly I think its rather interesting that we would keep institutions that predate confederation. What about slavery? Should we keep some institutions related to it? Destroy the country? I don't think so. If anything - that would strenghten our ties with Quebec... and maybe loosen them with BC. Quote You are what you do.
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