Shwa Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 (edited) Yep....the Americans continued a tradition of actually applying such ideas, and changing them up as well. But not in any much more significant way than Brazil or Australia. Yes I have....several times...including the "likes of" how such information was/is applied. This aspect continues to escape you. America has co-opted your elite icons into mere popcorn. Their not my "elite icons" since I don't aspire to the likes of. You are misapplying your view as mine again, and that simply isn't the case. The only "answer" (a generous term in this case) you have given is one about production values. Seriously, a typical response, but hardly worthy of someone who is so adept at oggling others in equal measure. Your description of American "culture". LOL, I don't think so: Furthermore, your reduction of American culture to a self serving fiction only highlights the import and relationships Canadians have developed and express after years of "exposure" despite any shortcomings. To which I replied: And if you believe that American culture is somehow reduced by its self-referential national myths, your wheels have come off the track. Previous to that we had been discussing the narrow fictional context of American pop culture through exported film - i.e. "Errol Flynn as Robin Hood." So how you arrived at me describing "American culture" as "all fiction" is in itself a fiction and the result of... self-referential thinking. I accept that Americans - generally - don't really need to prove what they believe and are more than adept at deriving their beliefs from very well crafted stories about a particular topic that interests them. In the least, I am glad you find this topic generally interesting! Edited August 18, 2010 by Shwa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 But, but.... it has modified its radical beliefs... you just SUSPECT that they haven't in their heart-of-hearts from the sound of it. So how could they satisfy you ? They probably couldn't. The NDPs core values are all about minorities and looking after their well-being. Their primary concerns are always with alleged discrimination, with advancing the agendas for gays and lesbians, for affirmative action on behalf of visible minorities,and for heavy taxation of the middle class in order to transfer that wealth tot he poor. The NDP is all about causes. And it pays little attention to realities. If doing what they want to do for the environment throws millions out of work, well that's a sacrifice they're prepared to make. It's not like those working people are important anyway - unless they're visible minorities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratio Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 The NDPs core values are all about minorities and looking after their well-being. Their primary concerns are always with alleged discrimination, with advancing the agendas for gays and lesbians, for affirmative action on behalf of visible minorities,and for heavy taxation of the middle class in order to transfer that wealth tot he poor. what kind of monster are you? "alleged discrimination"!?!?!? affirmative action is absolutely just and transferring the wealth of the rich classes to the poor is a positive thing... Oh I get it, youd rather be oppressing people... k k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capricorn Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 The NDP is all about causes. And it pays little attention to realities. The NDP's latest cause is Sri Lanka. NDP MP Paul Dewar said the government should focus on helping Sri Lanka to rebuild after a long civil war, instead of trying to block Tamils from entering Canada. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/harper-vows-to-toughen-laws-as-tamils-zip-through-hearings/article1676616/ Canada's NDP - nation builder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capricorn Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 transferring the wealth of the rich classes to the poor is a positive thing... How many classes does the rich class have? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 ....But not in any much more significant way than Brazil or Australia. Says you, but that isn't the topic here. Canadians do not cite Australian or Brazilian references in equal measure compared to the Americans, which was/is the topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 Except for 'President of the Assembly' and the name 'National Assembly' which are similar to the names used in France. It doesn't matter what the names of the things are, it's still based on the Westminster System. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g_bambino Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 Ok, so... what was the reason in your mind ? I don't know enough about Scotland to say. Maybe it was the resources and land available to Americans ? What percentage of Scots owned their own land versus farming on leased land ? Oh, I'm not saying public education wasn't a factor in America's development; merely that America didn't invent it. As for Scotland, the country is the size of a postage stamp. Most Scots took their gained education and made something out of themselves in other parts of the Empire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shwa Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 Says you, but that isn't the topic here. Canadians do not cite Australian or Brazilian references in equal measure compared to the Americans, which was/is the topic. But Australia and Brazil were 'for example' outside references (but it could as easily be Britain or Germany or Japan or China) which is completely on-topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shwa Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 It doesn't matter what the names of the things are, it's still based on the Westminster System. Oh but it does matter "what the names of the things are" if you were actually following the topic of that particular discussion. So do you want to give us some insight into why those names are as they are in la belle province, or does that not fit in with the role you have chosen here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 Oh, I'm not saying public education wasn't a factor in America's development; merely that America didn't invent it. As for Scotland, the country is the size of a postage stamp. Most Scots took their gained education and made something out of themselves in other parts of the Empire. ...or America as was pointed out. No. America didn't invent education, science or agriculture but they invented the American Way, which is a framework for individuals to prosper based on their skills and work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shwa Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 No. America didn't invent education, science or agriculture but they invented the American Way, which is a framework for individuals to prosper based on their skills and work. When was the "American Way" invented, do you have an approximate date for that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 When was the "American Way" invented, do you have an approximate date for that? God did it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodyminded Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 When was the "American Way" invented, do you have an approximate date for that? As I understand it, it began in 1776, and ended at the election of Jimmy Carter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 Oh but it does matter "what the names of the things are" if you were actually following the topic of that particular discussion. And it doesn't matter what the topic was. The Quebec National Assembly is a Westminster style parliament. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shwa Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 As I understand it, it began in 1776, and ended at the election of Jimmy Carter. I would have thought it ended May 4th, 1970 at Kent State. But why Jimmy Carter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 I would have thought it ended May 4th, 1970 at Kent State. But why Jimmy Carter? It ended when Dale Earnhardt died. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shwa Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 And it doesn't matter what the topic was. The Quebec National Assembly is a Westminster style parliament. To a degree... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shwa Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 It ended when Dale Earnhardt died. And here I thought you were going to say it ended when God died. Whew! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodyminded Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 I would have thought it ended May 4th, 1970 at Kent State. But why Jimmy Carter? I dunno....I thought Jimmah was (or is) often despised as "too liberal" and so forth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 When was the "American Way" invented, do you have an approximate date for that? When some Europeans decided to leave their superior and enlightened paradise for something different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 When some Europeans decided to leave their superior and enlightened paradise for something different. Well said! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Weber Posted August 19, 2010 Report Share Posted August 19, 2010 (edited) How many classes does the rich class have? The Bourgoisie and the Petit Bourgoisie... Have'nt you read The Communist Manifesto? Edited August 19, 2010 by Jack Weber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted August 19, 2010 Report Share Posted August 19, 2010 The Bougoisie and the Petit Bourgoisie... Have'nt you read The Communist Manifesto? No no no There are the rich the filty rich Thwe Wealthy The fabulously wealthy The independantly Wealthy The nouveau rich The Old Money The Landed Gentry The Money Bags The Loaded The Well to Do Well Heeled The Idle Rich ....and so on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shwa Posted August 19, 2010 Report Share Posted August 19, 2010 No no no There are the rich the filty rich Thwe Wealthy The fabulously wealthy The independantly Wealthy The nouveau rich The Old Money The Landed Gentry The Money Bags The Loaded The Well to Do Well Heeled The Idle Rich ....and so on Don't forget the Stinking Rich, who are related to the Filthy Rich in a way. Then there are the lottery winners... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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