Republican wants the US to be more like Saudi Arabia

[bloodyminded]

This is someone who is very aware of what the name means in Islam, so I find it odd that you so easily and completely dismiss what he has to say, knowing nothing about it yourself.

You assume so bloody much, don't you?

I DID know what the name meant, in regards to Spain.

What I didn't know was nothing more than an opinion, which is not shared by everyone.

At any rate, I'm an ex-Christian; and I daresay you wouldn't take my opinions on that faith as declarative truth.

[Sir Bandelot]

I was referring to what the name originally given to this project meant in regards to this project; the context of it in regards to this project.

This is someone who is very aware of what the name means in Islam, so I find it odd that you so easily and completely dismiss what he has to say, knowing nothing about it yourself. The name WAS changed. That's a fact.

So does this mean that you believe the mosque is being built by its developers, as a symbol of the conquest of America? I am only asking.

[DogOnPorch]

So does this mean that you believe the mosque is being built by its developers, as a symbol of the conquest of America? I am only asking.

How do you think your average Taliban will view it?

[bloodyminded]

How do you think your average Taliban will view it?

They'd view this Imam as an apostate.

[Sir Bandelot]

How do you think your average Taliban will view it?

No more than your average Christian liked Waco.

[DogOnPorch]

No more than your average Christian liked Waco.

The Taliban = your average Christian? Man, I think you OD'd on your relativist pills this morning. Seek medical attention.

Edited August 12, 2010 by DogOnPorch

[Guest American Woman]

So does this mean that you believe the mosque is being built by its developers, as a symbol of the conquest of America? I am only asking.

Really? Is that what you're doing? Good thing you clarified, or I'd have wondered.

[kimmy]

Most names carry symbolism, either explicitly or metaphorically.

But if it's not insensitive, then there is no issue.

When people choose a name that has clear historical significance, it invites speculation as to the intent.

If the name raised outrage, then yes, a poor decision.

"Cordoba house" is not raising outrage. A few conservative commentators desperate for a shotgun blast in the dark, and that's it. I daresay New Yorkers are not up in arms about the name, know nothing of its symbolism, and couldn't care less.

The average New Yorker might not recognize the significance of the name, but many Islamists apparently hold it to be very significant.

Your argument that there's nothing wrong with the name because most people don't know the significance of it is comparable to arguing that there's nothing wrong with somebody calling their new center for race relations the "William Luther Pierce Institute", since hardly anybody knows who William Luther Pierce is.

So, not an issue.

If it was a non-issue, why'd they change the name?

-k

[Guest American Woman]

You assume so bloody much, don't you?

I'm not assuming a bloody thing. You made this comment:

"Cordoba house" is not raising outrage. A few conservative commentators desperate for a shotgun blast in the dark, and that's it. I daresay New Yorkers are not up in arms about the name, know nothing of its symbolism, and couldn't care less.

So, not an issue.

I responded with it's not just "a few conservative commentators desperate for a shotgun blast in the dark, and that's it," and I gave an example.

I DID know what the name meant, in regards to Spain.

I don't believe I ever stated otherwise. And so did I. Yet you apparently assumed otherwise.

What I didn't know was nothing more than an opinion, which is not shared by everyone.

I never said it was shared by everyone. I said it's not an opinion shared by "a few conservative commentators desperate for a shotgun blast in the dark, and that's it." So obviously, you didn't know that. Which is the comment/issue I have been responding to.

At any rate, I'm an ex-Christian; and I daresay you wouldn't take my opinions on that faith as declarative truth.

Did I SAY it was a "declarative truth??" No. I posted it as proof that it's not just ....

Oh, bloody hell. I'm not going repeat it yet again.

But I will repeat that the name WAS changed. You think that just happened out of the blue? For no reason? From a controversial name to a name with no meaning behind it whatsoever, just because?

Edited August 14, 2010 by American Woman

[Sir Bandelot]

Must be hard to be misunderstood, so often.

[Guest American Woman]

Must be hard to be misunderstood, so often.

Yes, being more intelligent than most of the posters I've been dealing with here is a difficult cross to bear.

[DogOnPorch]

Yes, being more intelligent than most of the posters I've been dealing with here is a difficult cross to bear.

[Sir Bandelot]

Indeed. Super Genius

LOL

[dre]

Yes, being more intelligent than most of the posters I've been dealing with here is a difficult cross to bear.

[DogOnPorch]

Indeed. Super Genius

LOL

You takes this all far too seriously.

[Smallc]

Yes, being more intelligent than most of the posters I've been dealing with here is a difficult cross to bear.

[bloodyminded]

I'm not assuming a bloody thing. You made this comment:

Wrong. When I said "You assume so bloody much," it was a direct response to this:

knowing nothing about [Cordoba house] yourself

.

So...that's not an assumption? You have some inside knowledge that I never heard anything about the name until you brought it up?

I responded with it's not just "a few conservative commentators desperate for a shotgun blast in the dark, and that's it," and I gave an example.

??? Yeah...you gave an example of a Christian conservative, commenting on it.

I don't believe I ever stated otherwise. And so did I. Yet you apparently assumed otherwise.

Hmmm. So when you said I "[knew] nothing about it [myself]," I shouldn't assume you mean it? What?

I never said it was shared by everyone. I said it's not an opinion shared by "a few conservative commentators desperate for a shotgun blast in the dark, and that's it." So obviously, you didn't know that.

It's not my fault when you're unclear; i can't read your mind.

So yes, you have shown that it's not only a few conservative commentators," by posting a link to another conservative commentator.

Did I SAY it was a "declarative truth??" No. I posted it as proof that it's not just ....

You said that the fact he was an ex-Muslim should perhaps make us take his opinions seriously.

By the same token--exactly the same, not a whit of difference--the fact that I'm an ex-Christian mewans you should take anything I have to say on Christianity seriously...perhaps linkiung my elevated opinions to others during a debate....

I daresay you don't agree.

But I will repeat that the name WAS changed. You think that just happened out of the blue? For no reason? From a controversial name to a name with no meaning behind it whatsoever, just because?

Of course there was a reason; a few people started saying: "Hey, this name was about a many-centuries-old conquest...so let's use this as rhetorical tool, as if Western nations haven't committed far worse conquests far more recently....."

So, to avoid this foolishness, they changed the name.

[bloodyminded]

If it was a non-issue, why'd they change the name?

Presumably because they knew that plenty of hypocrites who cherish Western violent conquests would suddenly become anti-imperialists over some centuries-old outrage.

[kimmy]

Presumably because they knew that plenty of hypocrites who cherish Western violent conquests would suddenly become anti-imperialists over some centuries-old outrage.

Well, at least you've conceded that the name is emblematic of Muslim conquest. That's a good start.

-k

[Guest TrueMetis]

Well, at least you've conceded that the name is emblematic of Muslim conquest. That's a good start.

-k

The name is emblematic of a lot of things, as are most names. Cordoba was also a centre of learning and knowledge but everyone is focusing on the conquering aspect, because apparently Muslims conquering somewhere 1300 years ago is really bad. While who cares about the more recent stuff that actually matters now.

[Jack Weber]

The name is emblematic of a lot of things, as are most names. Cordoba was also a centre of learning and knowledge but everyone is focusing on the conquering aspect, because apparently Muslims conquering somewhere 1300 years ago is really bad. While who cares about the more recent stuff that actually matters now.

It was also the name of a car that Ricardo Montelban did commercials for...

"Chrysler Cordoba..With rich Corinthian leather!!!!"

[Guest TrueMetis]

It was also the name of a car that Ricardo Montelban did commercials for...

"Chrysler Cordoba..With rich Corinthian leather!!!!"

Does this mean Chrysler is working for the Islamic extremists? Bet Chrysler is the one making all the car bombs.

[Guest American Woman]

Does this mean Chrysler is working for the Islamic extremists? Bet Chrysler is the one making all the car bombs.

Yes, because of course the name has the same meaning for Chrysler as it does for Muslims.

[Jack Weber]

Does this mean Chrysler is working for the Islamic extremists? Bet Chrysler is the one making all the car bombs.

Well...

The cars name was the Cordoba...

The Islamic centre in NYC is going to be called Cordoba House...

Ricardo Montalban was Mexican ,and Mexico was settled by the Spanish...

And Spain was invaded by Mooorish Muslims...

And Cordoba was one of the Spanish cities that fell...

So,I guess "YES!" is the answer?

Edited August 19, 2010 by Jack Weber

[Smallc]

The name is emblematic of a lot of things, as are most names. Cordoba was also a centre of learning and knowledge

Apparently, there are still many monuments to peace there. They were talking about it tonight on The Agenda in the Summer on TVO.