Guest TrueMetis Posted August 19, 2010 Report Posted August 19, 2010 Yes, because of course the name has the same meaning for Chrysler as it does for Muslims. Because I'm sure if you where to ask a whole bunch on Muslims what Cordoba means they all answer with "Oh it the name of the place we conquered." You much more likely to get something along the lines of "What the hell is Cordoba?" Quote
Jack Weber Posted August 19, 2010 Report Posted August 19, 2010 Apparently, there are still many monuments to peace there. They were talking about it tonight on The Agenda in the Summer on TVO. That's not The Agenda in the Summer on TVO that I watched tonight.... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Guest American Woman Posted August 19, 2010 Report Posted August 19, 2010 Because I'm sure if you where to ask a whole bunch on Muslims what Cordoba means they all answer with "Oh it the name of the place we conquered." You much more likely to get something along the lines of "What the hell is Cordoba?" I'm not referring to "a whole bunch of Muslims" because "a whole lot of Muslims" aren't in charge of this project, so I'm referring to the Muslims who are in charge of this project; you know, the ones who changed the name. For no reason, of course. Quote
Smallc Posted August 19, 2010 Report Posted August 19, 2010 (edited) That's not The Agenda in the Summer on TVO that I watched tonight.... The guy talking about the Confrontation with the Other (Kwame something, I believe) mentioned it when he was talking about diversity. I'm actually watching it right now, because I had it on PVR. Edited August 19, 2010 by Smallc Quote
Guest TrueMetis Posted August 19, 2010 Report Posted August 19, 2010 (edited) I'm not referring to "a whole bunch of Muslims" because "a whole lot of Muslims" aren't in charge of this project, so I'm referring to the Muslims who are in charge of this project; you know, the ones who changed the name. For no reason, of course. As you just said. Yes, because of course the name has the same meaning for Chrysler as it does for Muslims. You were not referring to the people in charge of this project. (Some of whom aren't Muslims at all anyway) Edited August 19, 2010 by TrueMetis Quote
Jack Weber Posted August 19, 2010 Report Posted August 19, 2010 The guy talking about the Confrontation with the Other (Kwame something, I believe) mentioned it when he was talking about diversity. I'm actually watching it right now, because I had it on PVR. That was last nights replay...Kwame Mackenzie is Kwame Something.... Is that the one with Irshad Manji?...Or is it the one where they were talking about the new citizenship document?'Cuase if it is,I'm wrong and it is the show from tonight... Actually,a few months ago.... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Smallc Posted August 19, 2010 Report Posted August 19, 2010 Or is it the one where they were talking about the new citizenship document?'Cuase if it is,I'm wrong and it is the show from tonight... That one. Quote
Jack Weber Posted August 19, 2010 Report Posted August 19, 2010 I'm watching it right now... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Guest American Woman Posted August 19, 2010 Report Posted August 19, 2010 As you just said. You were not referring to the people in charge of this project. (Some of whom aren't Muslims at all anyway) Really? Some who are in charge of the project aren't Muslims?? Who would that be? But my bad for saying "Muslims" instead of "Muslims in charge of this project" when that's what we've been talking about. I'll try to be more like you, who qualifies every time you speak of Christians or whatever. Quote
Smallc Posted August 19, 2010 Report Posted August 19, 2010 I'm watching it right now... It was almost first thing. Quote
Jack Weber Posted August 19, 2010 Report Posted August 19, 2010 It was almost first thing. I know...I was confused!!!! Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Smallc Posted August 19, 2010 Report Posted August 19, 2010 I know...I was confused!!!! It was quite interesting when he talked about the fact that at Cordoba, there's a mosque built on top of a church...and in the centre of the mosque, is a cathedral. I think it says something different about the word than detractors want it to say. Quote
bloodyminded Posted August 19, 2010 Report Posted August 19, 2010 (edited) Well, at least you've conceded that the name is emblematic of Muslim conquest. That's a good start. -k To concede something, I would have had to have disagreed in the first place. At any rate, look at smallc's post directly above this one....boy, it sounds more and more sinister the more we look into it, doesn't it? Edited August 19, 2010 by bloodyminded Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
bloodyminded Posted August 19, 2010 Report Posted August 19, 2010 (edited) Well... The cars name was the Cordoba... The Islamic centre in NYC is going to be called Cordoba House... Ricardo Montalban was Mexican ,and Mexico was settled by the Spanish... And Spain was invaded by Mooorish Muslims... And Cordoba was one of the Spanish cities that fell... So,I guess "YES!" is the answer? Wow....only, what...four degrees of separation! Well done, sir. Edited August 19, 2010 by bloodyminded Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
Jack Weber Posted August 19, 2010 Report Posted August 19, 2010 Wow....only, what...four degrees of separation! Well done, sir. No... I failed... It's 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon...And Kevin Bacon is HITLER!!!! Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
kimmy Posted August 20, 2010 Report Posted August 20, 2010 To concede something, I would have had to have disagreed in the first place. So ... to sum up... we both agree that the name is emblematic of Muslim conquest of Christian lands... and yet you don't understand why that might be a poor choice of name for a project that claims to be dedicated to "building bridges" between Muslims and the west. okeee... You've suggested at least a couple of times that the Muslim conquest of Spain shouldn't cause offense to anyone because it was so long ago. When I'm raising funds for my new center for western-Muslim relations, do you think "Crusader House" would be a good name? At any rate, look at smallc's post directly above this one....boy, it sounds more and more sinister the more we look into it, doesn't it? Well, why don't we have a look at that... It was quite interesting when he talked about the fact that at Cordoba, there's a mosque built on top of a church...and in the centre of the mosque, is a cathedral. I think it says something different about the word than detractors want it to say. The mosque was not exactly "built on top of a church". The church was knocked down and the materials were used in the construction of the mosque. Hundreds of years later, when King Ferdinand III finished retaking Spain from the Muslims, the Roman Catholic Church took over the mosque. They didn't destroy the building, but rest assured it stopped being a mosque (and I somehow doubt that the Catholics of that time had much tolerance for the followers of Islam, either.) Muslims conquered the city in bloody fashion, knocked down the church, and built a majestic monument. Centuries later, Catholics conquered the city in bloody fashion, took the mosque, and turned it into a Catholic cathedral. So what's this fuzzy-wuzzy message we're supposed to get from this? Might makes right? -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
DogOnPorch Posted August 20, 2010 Report Posted August 20, 2010 When I'm raising funds for my new center for western-Muslim relations, do you think "Crusader House" would be a good name? I was thinking along similar lines. http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=16337&view=findpost&p=569695 Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Smallc Posted August 20, 2010 Report Posted August 20, 2010 So what's this fuzzy-wuzzy message we're supposed to get from this? Might makes right? -k And what about now? The place (and the mosque) are monuments to peace. Quote
bloodyminded Posted August 20, 2010 Report Posted August 20, 2010 (edited) So ... to sum up... we both agree that the name is emblematic of Muslim conquest of Christian lands... and yet you don't understand why that might be a poor choice of name for a project that claims to be dedicated to "building bridges" between Muslims and the west. It's more that I think it extremely irrelevant...as do, secretly, the hypocrites who eagerly support every current act of Western aggression.... ...oh, wait, I forgot; to speak of "western aggression" is just crybaby leftist political correctness. You've suggested at least a couple of times that the Muslim conquest of Spain shouldn't cause offense to anyone because it was so long ago. Not quite. I'm suggesting it doesn't cause offense to anyone because it was so long ago. That the argument is disingenuous. So what's this fuzzy-wuzzy message we're supposed to get from this? Might makes right? I take your point. Edited August 20, 2010 by bloodyminded Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
kimmy Posted August 21, 2010 Report Posted August 21, 2010 It's more that I think it extremely irrelevant... It's not irrelevant, because the symbolism of the name invites skepticism as to their intent. as do, secretly, the hypocrites who eagerly support every current act of Western aggression.... ...oh, wait, I forgot; to speak of "western aggression" is just crybaby leftist political correctness. If you keep waving around red herrings, you're going to start to smell funny. Not quite. I'm suggesting it doesn't cause offense to anyone because it was so long ago. That the argument is disingenuous. If it was the passage of time that makes the offense less, then the word "Crusades" wouldn't still be used in the Muslim world to rally the faithful against Western aggression, now, would it. What you're really arguing is that the name "Cordoba House" didn't cause widespread offense because most North Americans aren't familiar with the history of the name or what it represents. The organizers changed the name because they realized that once people *did* start finding out, they weren't going to like the symbolism. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
DogOnPorch Posted August 21, 2010 Report Posted August 21, 2010 kimmy: What you're really arguing is that the name "Cordoba House" didn't cause widespread offense because most North Americans aren't familiar with the history of the name or what it represents. Bingo. Most folks in the Canada and US have a rather casual view of history. As was pointed out by several posters, they view "Cordoba" as a fine Chrysler product of the late 1970s endorsed by Mr Fantasy Island due to its leather interior rather than a city in Spain. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Guest American Woman Posted August 21, 2010 Report Posted August 21, 2010 (edited) And what about now? The place (and the mosque) are monuments to peace. What's your point? That what happened at the time was a-ok because now it's a monument to peace? So why did they change the name, if that's how "Cordoba" is perceived in Islam? Edited August 21, 2010 by American Woman Quote
DogOnPorch Posted August 22, 2010 Report Posted August 22, 2010 What's your point? That what happened at the time was a-ok because now it's a monument to peace? So why did they change the name, if that's how "Cordoba" is perceived in Islam? Yup...it was like Mr Rauf thought: They're too stupid to make the connection...dumb-asses. Oh...oh...somebody Googled it... Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Smallc Posted August 22, 2010 Report Posted August 22, 2010 (edited) What's your point? I would have hoped that my point was completely obvious, but, I should have known better. If you don't get the point, you won't get the point. Oh, and why would they have changed it? Maybe because people are acting like a bunch of idiots. Edited August 22, 2010 by Smallc Quote
Guest American Woman Posted August 22, 2010 Report Posted August 22, 2010 I would have hoped that my point was completely obvious, but, I should have known better. If you don't get the point, you won't get the point. And I would have hoped you'd be able to explain your point, but, I should have known better. If you can't explain it, you likely either don't have one or ....... Oh, and why would they have changed it? Maybe because people are acting like a bunch of idiots. So, are you saying "Cordoba" has no religious meaning? They changed it simply to pacify the idiots? Quote
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