Mosque going up in NYC building

[betsy]

That's the beauty of Free Speech...

This unhinged Islamofascist can spew his drivel here if he likes.He has that right.

We have the right to depict Mohammed with a bomb in his turban(sp)...That is our right that people have shed blood for.

Don't ban him,otherwise you'l fall into the trap that the bedwetters at Uof O did last March when dealing with Anne Coulter...

By the way,I still think it's Lictor,who is also Ratio,trying to use over the top screen names while doing some sort of societal experiment...

Either way,whomever it is,is a kook of the highest order!

Yeah, he got me the first time. Upon reading some more....this guy is actually fun! Couldn't helped but be amused by him. Yep, he's a character alright!

[DogOnPorch]

Thanks DOP. That link's a keeper. I'm halfway down the list of warriors and you can't help pegging some posters here with those descriptions.

http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/

You're most welcome. I found it amusing as well. Now...who is honest enough to admit which one of these arch-types they are?

[punked]

Here is a picture of how much closer this Mosque will be to the site of 9/11 then the one which is there right now. Ohhhhhhhh how scary it is moving 20 feet. Someone please stop it.

Now I see why so many are against it

[Machjo]

I was thinking of Hasegawa Teru yesterday, and it got me thinking of this whole debate over the Islamic centre.

For those who don't know, Hasegawa Teru (AKA Verda Majo, or Green May), was a Japanese woman who decided to help the Chinese in their plight against the Japanese Imperial Army. Chinese forces had provided her with a radio station from which she could communicate to her compatriots in their own language what their army was really doing in China. This of course undermined the Imperial Army's propaganda campaigns and shook the commitment of many Japanese soldiers in the battlefield.

Now while many Chinese even today still hate the Japanese, those who know of Hasegawa Teru generally don't, and even have much respect for Hasegawa. One had even suggested to me that in his opinion, the story of Green May ought to be taught to all Chinese children in school.

How is it that those Chinese are capable of distinguishing between Green May and her compatriots who murdered and pillaged in the name of her country?

How is that some here cannot distinguish between the terrorists who crashed planes in the name of Islam and those who want to build the centre to challenge those terrorists, to undermine them, and to show that freedom of religion is still strong in the US?

Looking at it that way, those Muslims who stand up against terrorism in the name of Islam are essentially the modern Green Mays of Islam today? Should we not respect their efforts rather than undermine them?

Let's look at Green May again for a moment. When she'd first approached the Kuomintang to help them, they'd rejected her because she was Japanese. What a loss for them. Then she'd come across the Communist Party of China, and they'd welcomed her with open arms. Talk about a propaganda victory for the Communist party against Japan, and a lost opportunity for the Kuomintang.

If we do like the Kuomintang and simply ignore those Muslims who want to help us in our plight against terrorism, then we too may miss some opportunities.

[Shady]

It sounds like there's going to be a compromise. The Governor of New York is getting a group together to find an alternative spot for the Islamic Center in New York City.

Hopefully everything gets worked out soon.

[Guest American Woman]

It sounds like there's going to be a compromise. The Governor of New York is getting a group together to find an alternative spot for the Islamic Center in New York City.

Hopefully everything gets worked out soon.

Actually, it doesn't sound that way at all. As I had posted earlier, the governor had made an offer, but it doesn't sound as if there are any plans on the part of the developers to accept it.

[Shady]

Actually, it doesn't sound that way at all. As I had posted earlier, the governor had made an offer, but it doesn't sound as if there are any plans on the part of the developers to accept it.

Looks like you're right. They wouldn't even agree to meet with the Governor.

They've also stated they're accepting money from Saudi Arabia and Iran. Tolerance X2!

Islamic Center Backers Won't Rule Out Taking Funds from Saudi Arabia, Iran

The developers behind the Islamic center planned for a site near Ground Zero won't rule out accepting financing from the Mideast -- including from Saudi Arabia and Iran -- as they begin searching for $100 million needed to build the project.

ABC News

So they expect people to accept the idea of a mosque being built near Ground Zero, which might be partially or significantly funded by Saudi Arabia and Iran?

Are these people insane?

[punked]

Looks like you're right. They wouldn't even agree to meet with the Governor.

They've also stated they're accepting money from Saudi Arabia and Iran. Tolerance X2!

So they expect people to accept the idea of a mosque being built near Ground Zero, which might be partially or significantly funded by Saudi Arabia and Iran?

Are these people insane?

As soon as the Bush Family can say the same I will care.

[BubberMiley]

So they expect people to accept the idea of a mosque being built near Ground Zero, which might be partially or significantly funded by Saudi Arabia and Iran?

Are these people insane?

I don't think they expect people to accept anything. I think they're just going ahead with their plans anyway.

[dre]

Looks like you're right. They wouldn't even agree to meet with the Governor.

They've also stated they're accepting money from Saudi Arabia and Iran. Tolerance X2!

So they expect people to accept the idea of a mosque being built near Ground Zero, which might be partially or significantly funded by Saudi Arabia and Iran?

Are these people insane?

Not sure about Iran but the Saudis fund Mosques all over the United States. Dont see why thats an issue at all.

[dre]

I don't think they expect people to accept anything. I think they're just going ahead with their plans anyway.

Nobody has come up with a good reason for them not to, so I dont see why they should cancel this project now.

Just about every major realestate development pisses off a certain ammount of people... you just gotta ignore them and make sure youre acting in accordance with the law.

[Guest American Woman]

Looks like you're right. They wouldn't even agree to meet with the Governor.

They've also stated they're accepting money from Saudi Arabia and Iran. Tolerance X2!

So they expect people to accept the idea of a mosque being built near Ground Zero, which might be partially or significantly funded by Saudi Arabia and Iran?

Are these people insane?

I think what makes it odd is their insistence that the mosque/center is supposed to be about building bridges between Muslims and non-Muslims. If that were really their concern, the biggest, most impressive thing they could do is show that they understand how so many people feel about the mosque being built on this property.

As for Saudi money, some of the Saudis funding the mosque could be the same Saudis who help fund terrorism/teach hatred in the Saudi schools, so I don't understand, in light of over half of the people's feelings, the project directors believing that they are going to accomplish their goal by building there. Seems to me they are obviously setting Muslim--Non-Muslims relations back, not moving them forward.

Polls show that while the majority oppose the mosque on that property, the majority believe they have the right to build it there. They just feel as if they should build elsewhere, and had the the project directors chosen to do that, there would have been no more ill feelings than there have been regarding the other 100 mosques in MYC; the number, I think, speaks for itself. So again, if they chose to abandon this property and build elsewhere, I think they would be taking a big step towards building good will towards moderate Muslims, which is what they are claiming they hope to do.

Edited August 18, 2010 by American Woman

[DogOnPorch]

Not sure about Iran but the Saudis fund Mosques all over the United States. Dont see why thats an issue at all.

Because Wahhabism is the most puritanical (and literal re: The Koran/Haddiths) of all the Islamic sects and is decidedly anti-Western in its outlook. They pay for the mosque, the Imam, the literature...the whole magilla.

Wahhabi means 'bestow', btw. Al-Wahhab (The Bestower) being one of the 99 names of Allah. They are the main missionaries of the Islamic faith.

[Guest American Woman]

Because Wahhabism is the most puritanical (and literal re: The Koran/Haddiths) of all the Islamic sects and is decidedly anti-Western in its outlook. They pay for the mosque, the Imam, the literature...the whole magilla.

Wahhabi means 'bestow', btw. Al-Wahhab (The Bestower) being one of the 99 names of Allah. They are the main missionaries of the Islamic faith.

Even the Muslim Canadian Congress can see why Saudi money would be an issue.

[DogOnPorch]

Even the Muslim Canadian Congress can see why Saudi money would be an issue.

Saudi money is rumored to be behind the (almost super) mosque going-up in my small city. Like in NYC, our City Hall jumped at the thought of any new construction of any type. The size of the place might be an attempt to out-do the two rather large Sikh temples also located here...as well as the realtively puny Christian churches. Just a guess.

Edited August 19, 2010 by DogOnPorch

[bloodyminded]

duplicate post

Edited August 19, 2010 by bloodyminded

[GostHacked]

I really don't like or trust the Saudi's. This is where most of the 9/11 hijackers came from, they offered no help and no sympathy for the attacks as far as I can tell. But the Saudis do invest quite a bit into the US through various means. I will say all this started in Saudi Arabia, and Iraq and Afghanistan paid the price for it. And the US does not even want to consider any negative action against the Saudis.

If you really want to stop the crazy extremism within Islam, Saudi Arabia needs to be dealt with.

Iran on the other hand is not a threat. Iran helped the US right after 9/11 with border patrols along the Iran Afghanistan borders. Iran actively wanted to help the US. We rarely hear about that. If they really wanted to help the US then, why are they considered a threat to the US?

[bloodyminded]

Even the Muslim Canadian Congress can see why Saudi money would be an issue.

Why "even" them? They're a liberal group, who has spent a lot of time and effort decrying suicide bombings, terrorist attacks, and so on.

I've mentioned them a thousand times, and I've been told they're "probably" some sort of sneaky Islamists, a fifth column pretending to be moderates (along the same lines that Kimmy and Bonam feel the lack of evidence of violence in most mosques is itself a sinister development...that one about the Muslims holding an interfaith Thanksgiving dinner in honour of the local Christians shows us just how devious these murderous jihadists are).

But the MCC sure is convenient when the issue is right, isn't it?

Anyway, since they are self-evidently correct, you obviously have now quite a different view of Israel.

Edited August 19, 2010 by bloodyminded

[DogOnPorch]

Note how he asks you a question...answers it himself...then criticizes "your answer"...lol.

[Machjo]

Why not focus our attacks where they are deserved?

The men who flew the planes into the buildings were followers of Bin Laden. So instead of wasting time trying to curtail the freedom of religion of fellow citizens who suffered just a much as we did on 9/11 if not more so, by exercising an illegitimate freedom of expression to undermine another's freedom of religion (when one freedom is used to trump another, it is illegitimate in my opinion), why not focus instead of striking down Al-Qaeda and breaking US military ties with Saudi Arabia.

The builders of that mosque lost loved ones on 9/11 too, and as such a just as much right to sympathy for the buildin of their mosque and living their lives as anyone else.

If the 9/11 attackers manage to create a wedge between Americans, then they shall have won, exactly what they wanted.

[Machjo]

Also, a great cause is always one to fight for, not against. The Allies were not fighting against Nazism or the Japanese. They were fighting for peace and justice. The mosque protesters, what are they fighting for? If you have nothing to fight for, then you have nothing worth fighting for.

[DogOnPorch]

Also, a great cause is always one to fight for, not against. The Allies were not fighting against Nazism or the Japanese. They were fighting for peace and justice. The mosque protesters, what are they fighting for? If you have nothing to fight for, then you have nothing worth fighting for.

What a load of subjective shinola.

[bloodyminded]

Note how he asks you a question...answers it himself...then criticizes "your answer"...lol.

Hyuk hyuk.

[jbg]

Here is a picture of how much closer this Mosque will be to the site of 9/11 then the one which is there right now. Ohhhhhhhh how scary it is moving 20 feet. Someone please stop it.

Now I see why so many are against it

It's the unnecessary symbolism that makes it a bad idea. I happen to think that if local laws (and trust me NYC land use laws ae chaotic, confusing and not straightforward) allow the mosque, under the NY and US constitutions they have a right to build it. I also think that if they're a religion and not a cult or political movement they should realize why it's a terrible idea.

[Machjo]

What a load of subjective shinola.

So tellme, what are they fighting for? Or is it that hard to answer? Here's your chance to educate me here.