Mosque going up in NYC building

[Shady]

If we look at it that way, then not all the terrorists are Muslim anymore.

Nobody has ever said that all terrorists are Muslim. Or that all Muslims are terrorists. That's part of the many strawman arguments you and your ilk like to perpetuate ad nausem. But facts are facts. At the present time, if you're a terrorist, you're more likely to be Muslim. The statistics prove that point. You can post 6 or 7 incidents WORLD WIDE all you want. It doesn't discount reality.

If the perpetrators of these attacks on Muslims and firebombings were directly motivated by the 9/11 attacks

Are you a mind reader? Perhaps they were motivated by the train bombings in Madrid in 2004, or the bus bombings in London 2005. Or the murder of Theo Van Gogh. Or the rise of radical Muslim extremists immigrating to European countries.

[punked]

Nobody has ever said that all terrorists are Muslim. Or that all Muslims are terrorists. That's part of the many strawman arguments you and your ilk like to perpetuate ad nausem. But facts are facts. At the present time, if you're a terrorist, you're more likely to be Muslim. The statistics prove that point. You can post 6 or 7 incidents WORLD WIDE all you want. It doesn't discount reality.

The facts also say that if you a MUSLIM IN NEW YORK you are less likely to be a terrorist then a southern white Christan Hmmmmmmm. Convenient you forgot mention that Shady.

[Guest American Woman]

I see. So they all have to be doctors and be killed all at once or it doesn't count.

Yes, that's what I said. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Well, I guess the KKK is OK then, since they'd never killed 3,000 doctors at once.

They were a group, an organized group, who declared the desire to terrorize and go after Blacks! Unlike the murderers who killed abortion doctors, who were acting on their own; they were individual, independent acts. Unlike the terrorist attacks and the KKK. Are you starting to get the difference yet?

They killed off regular folk over time, kind of like the anti-Muslim attacks today.

Who is supporting those attacks? You think *I* am? I think Bush, by saying this is NOT a war against Muslims, NOT to take it out on Muslims, WAS being "empathetic" towards them. And the vast majority of Americans reacted accordingly. At a time when were were hurting over what had happened. All I'm asking is the same. Because it should be a two way street.

Are you starting to get it yet?

So, should we not be sensitive towards Muslims in return? Were are the anti-Mosque burning and anti-murder protesters? Oh yes, Molotov and baseball bat experts are likely among the protesters' main funders. Don't bite the hand that feeds you.

What, exactly, are we supposed to be protesting??

Edited August 23, 2010 by American Woman

[Machjo]

What, exactly, are we supposed to be protesting??

I don't know. Islam or terrorism? Personally I'd rather protest for friendlier relations rather than against a religious community claiming that it's nothing personal but they share the same religion.

[Guest American Woman]

I don't know. Islam or terrorism? Personally I'd rather protest for friendlier relations rather than against a religious community claiming that it's nothing personal but they share the same religion.

Well, if you don't know either, I'm afraid you can hardly blame the rest of us for not protesting.

[Machjo]

Well, if you don't know either, I'm afraid you can hardly blame the rest of us for not protesting.

You're not protesting? So you do not associate the local Muslim community with the events of 9/11 in any way beyond the fact that thy'd lost members like many others on that fateful day and have no problem with a religious community centre being built on that site regardless of tis religious affiliation any more than the other religious centres in that area?

[Guest TrueMetis]

So with all the mosque burnings, murders after 9/11, and still today, could we just not call it even and let the local NYC community build their mosque near Ground Zero? After all, they're not calling for a ban on the building of Christian churches near where their mosques have been firebombed or their members murdered now are they? Likewise with abortion doctors. I'm not aware of any call for a ban on Christian churches near where abortion doctors are killed (then again, one was killed in a church). So why the double standard?

As Churchill once said, though I may be paraphrasing here:

When one person dies, it's a tragedy. When a million die, it's statistics.

I thought that was Stalin?

[Machjo]

I thought that was Stalin?

I just looked it up and it seems it had been misattributed to Stalin:

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin

But looking into it further, there is no evidence that it comes from Churchill either. I may stand corrected.

[Guest TrueMetis]

I just looked it up and it seems it had been misattributed to Stalin:

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin

But looking into it further, there is no evidence that it comes from Churchill either. I may stand corrected.

Either way it's a good quote.

[Guest American Woman]

It's a wonderful quote. Wonder what else Stalin has for us.

[Guest TrueMetis]

It's a wonderful quote. Wonder what else Stalin has for us.

When you right your right, doesn't matter what type of person you were.

[Guest American Woman]

When you right your right, doesn't matter what type of person you were.

So you agree with him?

[Guest TrueMetis]

So you agree with him?

He's right. One person dying doesn't mean anything, it's an anecdote. Thousands or millions dying is statistically significant.

[scribblet]

I thought this was about the Mosque... did you notice that it's no longer called Cordoba it's now Park 51 wonder why -

[Smallc]

I thought this was about the Mosque... did you notice that it's no longer called Cordoba it's now Park 51 wonder why -

Because people are whining about it.

[Jack Weber]

Because people are whining about it.

No...

Because it was deliberately inflammatory...

[dre]

No...

Because it was deliberately inflammatory...

OBJECTION! Calls for speculation.

[Jack Weber]

OBJECTION! Calls for speculation.

OK...

It was suspiciously inflammatory...

[Guest American Woman]

He's right. One person dying doesn't mean anything, it's an anecdote. Thousands or millions dying is statistically significant.

This is what he said: "A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic."

Sounds to me as if he's saying the opposite. That one death is a tragedy, while millions is nothing more than a statistic. I don't understand how you could interpret "one person dying doesn't mean anything" from "a single death is a tragedy." And of course you added the "significant" to it, which completely changes the meaning of that part of the quote.

[Guest American Woman]

I thought this was about the Mosque... did you notice that it's no longer called Cordoba it's now Park 51 wonder why -

Because they want to focus on the community part of it, not the religious.

[dre]

OK...

It was suspiciously inflammatory...

Withdrawn

[DogOnPorch]

This is what he said: "A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic."

Sounds to me as if he's saying the opposite. That one death is a tragedy, while millions is nothing more than a statistic. I don't understand how you could interpret "one person dying doesn't mean anything" from "a single death is a tragedy." And of course you added the "significant" to it, which completely changes the meaning of that part of the quote.

Your interpretation of this supposed Stalin quote is correct. A million deaths means nothing.

[jbg]

OK...

It was suspiciously inflammatory...

"Inflammatory" is a great word to describe what happened in that area-literally.

[Bonam]

This is what he said: "A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic."

Sounds to me as if he's saying the opposite. That one death is a tragedy, while millions is nothing more than a statistic.

Yeah that's the correct interpretation.

[Jack Weber]

"Inflammatory" is a great word to describe what happened in that area-literally.

I know I'm not the first to ask this,but

Why is this the best place for this Mosque???

To me,the mosque is'nt the problem,it's the time and place(emphasis on place)