Mosque going up in NYC building

[Sir Bandelot]

Women are generally kept seperate/segregated in Islam re: mosques...including in the West. In my city for example.

A brilliant observation. In my city there is an all-boys school in one area, and an all-girls school in another. Not muslim though, they just seem to like it that way.

Let's hunt them down and bomb them into the stone ages, right Dog? Come one! Woof woof woof

[DogOnPorch]

A brilliant observation. In my city there is an all-boys school in one area, and an all-girls school in another. Not muslim though, they just seem to like it that way.

Let's hunt them down and bomb them into the stone ages, right Dog? Come one! Woof woof woof

So you're saying Islam treats women as equals?

[Shady]

Let's hunt them down and bomb them into the stone ages, right Dog? Come one! Woof woof woof

Strawman, woof, woof, woof!

[GostHacked]

Oops, forgot the link again.

Link to Full Article

Good read, sums up my sentiments on the whole thing.

[Shady]

So you're saying Islam treats women as equals?

It's funny how our liberal minded forum friends set aside anti-women and anti-gay behavior when muslims are involved.

Everybody has to be understanding and accommodating. Except of course Islam.

[DogOnPorch]

It's funny how our liberal minded forum friends set aside anti-women and anti-gay behavior when muslims are involved.

Everybody has to be understanding and accommodating. Except of course Islam.

Many religions are anti-women, however, Islam takes the whole segregation thing to new heights. No wonder the old South Park skit rings true re: Muslism on a Friday night.

Mr. Garrison: Welcome to Muslim-Sensitivity Training. It is important for us to understand why the Muslim feel the way they do, and why we can never show an image of Muhammad….

Mr. Garrison: Let's all look at why Muslims are upset: [turns and picks up a stick of chalk] First of all, in the Muslim religion, you're not allowed to have what? [no response] Sex. Good. [writes "NO SEX" on the board] There's no sex until marriage in the Muslim world. Now, this would be fine except that in the Muslim religion you also can't... Anybody? [no response] Jack off. [writes "NO JACKING OFF" on the board] Okay, jacking it is strictly forbidden in the Muslim religion. And what do we know about the places Muslims live? They live in? [no response] Good, sand. [writes "SAND" on the board] Now put yourself in the shoes of a Muslim. It's Friday night, but you can't have sex, and you can't jack off. There's sand in your eyes and probably in the crack of your ass, and then some cartoon comes along from a country where people are getting laid, and mocks your prophet. Well you know what? I'd be pretty pissed off too!

[DogOnPorch]

[DogOnPorch]

Strawman, woof, woof, woof!

Yes...that's really all the Sir Bitchalots and bloodystools are really good for.

[GostHacked]

It's funny how our liberal minded forum friends set aside anti-women and anti-gay behavior when muslims are involved.

Everybody has to be understanding and accommodating. Except of course Islam.

We also seem to set aside anti-woman anti-gay behavior when we are involved. Women's rights are relatively new to our culture, and the gays still have yet to be fully accepted in our own societies. But we can keep blaming Islam for our own shortcomings, that seems to be working so far.

[Shady]

Yes...that's really all the Sir Bitchalots and bloodystools are really good for.

It's interesting how their tune changes when it comes to legal rights, when muslims are on the receiving end.

I see no reason why certain elements of the degenerate western media insist on pouring gasoline on a fire. To what end is it useful to be the antagonist here? Because it is our legal right to do so?

See, when it's non-muslims exercising their rights, it's antagonistic and pouring gasoline. Even tough it's a legal right. But when it's them being antagonistic and pouring gasoline, we all need to be more understanding, etc.

but I see that it upsets a great many people. So I ask myself, why should I offend these people

When it's non-muslims that are upsetting many people, we need to ask ourselves why we should offend? But when it's mulims that are upsetting and offending people, we need to be more understanding, etc.

You try and figure out that logic.

(On a side note, at least bloodyminded is being consistent in both situations)

[Guest American Woman]

A brilliant observation. In my city there is an all-boys school in one area, and an all-girls school in another. Not muslim though, they just seem to like it that way.

If you honestly believe that's a relevant comparison, I have to wonder just how much you understand.

I'm sure, to begin with, that it's a choice to go to an all boys or an all girls school. It's not a practice of your school system to force the girls into a separate area, which is often inferior to the boys. Because I'm guessing the girls wouldn't "just like it that way."

Attempting to defend this practice, which has many women upset, is difficult to understand. I suppose you think women "just seemed to like" not being able to vote before women's rights gave them the vote, too.

Muslim feminists call it the "penalty box." It's the area of a mosque where women, segregated from the men, pray.

During [daily] prayers, women usually are partitioned off in a separate room or behind a curtain, "like naughty children," one Muslim woman tells me, while men pray in a grand main hall.

...many [mosques] require women to enter through a side or back door....

One Muslim, Fatima Thompson, describes the penalty box at her mosque in Maryland as an overheated, dark back room. Another Muslim woman, Asra Nomani, tells me that at a major Washington D.C. mosque, the female section was in a trailer, where the voice of the imam (the prayer leader) came from a crackling speaker. "It was so humiliating I never went back," says Ms. Nomani, a former reporter for the Journal.

Ms. Nomani—who has been fighting sexism at her mosque in West Virginia for seven years—says she has received several death threats.

While people like Ms. Nomani work for reform, other women question whether it is possible. Ayaan Hirsi Ali, the Somali author of "Infidel" and a former-Muslim-turned-atheist, agrees with the Islamic feminists that a mosque is "an island of gender apartheid."

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[Sir Bandelot]

Right on AW, damn those muslims. Stupid bastards

[Sir Bandelot]

See, when it's non-muslims exercising their rights, it's antagonistic and pouring gasoline. Even tough it's a legal right. But when it's them being antagonistic and pouring gasoline, we all need to be more understanding, etc.

Wrong, but believe what you will. I take offense anytime someone or a group thinks they should tell me what to do, be they muslims, christians or neocons. On the other hand, anyone wants to do their thing in their own privacy, be it worship their god or what have you, legally and with consenting persons, that's not my business either. Pretty simple logic really. I want my freedom, within the confines of law. Mind your own damn business and I will do likewise.

So rest assured, any muslims starts to tell me what I should do I would take issue with it. But in reality it's YOU PEOPLE who think you've got something to say, about everyone else.

[DogOnPorch]

Right on AW, damn those muslims. Stupid bastards

[DogOnPorch]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yl8g8S6F3do

[Sir Bandelot]

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Just to be clear, that's what you think this is all about. You can't separate the nuts from the normal people. Musta banged your head on a rock too much when you were in the army.

[DogOnPorch]

Just to be clear, that's what you think this is all about. You can't separate the nuts from the normal people. Musta banged your head on a rock too much when you were in the army.

Your approval of Islamic sanctioned misogyny is charming.

[Mr.Canada]

The issue has been understandably a little confused, because there are a fair number of radical Muslims. But two points:

First, the non-violent, ordinary people who are Muslims are no more responsible for terrorist attacks than you are;

Second, even most archconservative Muslims, whose view on many subjects is to me ugly and disturbing, are still not a threat. The threat is a fringe minority.

Why should we hold all Muslims accountable for their actions?

That doesn't even make sense: logically, or practically, or morally.

What percentage of Muslims in Canada or the US would you deem as being radical?

In 1971 there were only 33,000 Muslims in Canada in just over 40 years that number has gone up to over 20 times that.

There were 1.5 Million Muslims in the US in 2000 that number has at least doubled by now.

There were 783,700 in Canada for the 2006 census, that number is at least 1 million now.

Even if only 1% of Muslims were radical That would leave 30,000 radical Muslims in the US and 10,000 in Canada.

This isn't a problem to you?

[Bonam]

Right on AW, damn those muslims. Stupid bastards

Wtf is wrong with you? Someone posts an article, one which expressed the discomfort that some Muslim women feel with their own religion and the misogyny that pervades it, and you have nothing to say in response but that?

[Sir Bandelot]

Wtf is wrong with you? Someone posts an article, one which expressed the discomfort that some Muslim women feel with their own religion and the misogyny that pervades it, and you have nothing to say in response but that?

Because it has nothing to do with the mosque issue in NYC whatsoever. But has everything to do with something else.

[Guest American Woman]

Because it has nothing to do with the mosque issue in NYC whatsoever. But has everything to do with something else.

That "something else" being your post; what you yourself had said. I was responding directly to your post; your inane comparison between boys and girls schools and segregation in Mosques.

You are seriously demented.

[Bonam]

Because it has nothing to do with the mosque issue in NYC whatsoever. But has everything to do with something else.

Dude this thread is 17 pages long and has covered a wide range of topics. You are gonna hide behind the OP now? The article had everything to do with what that part of the thread was about, including the nonsense comparison you yourself posted.

Edited August 5, 2010 by Bonam

[DogOnPorch]

Because it has nothing to do with the mosque issue in NYC whatsoever. But has everything to do with something else.

In best Richard Dawson Family Feud voice: Good answer! Good answer! 'Has something to do with something else'...IS IT UP THERE??

BUZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!!

Edited August 5, 2010 by DogOnPorch

[Guest American Woman]

Dude this page is 17 pages long and has covered a wide range of topics. You are gonna hide behind the OP now? The article had everything to do with what that part of the thread was about, including the nonsense comparison you yourself posted.

Exactly. And being that segregation takes place in more than half of the mosques in the United States, unless he has some inside information, he has no idea if the mosque at 51 Park will practice segregation or not, making his "it has nothing to do with the mosque issue in NYC whatsoever" nothing more than another inane post.

His reaction to that article and his attempt at defending the practice says a lot about him. But he's the tolerant one. Don't ever forget that.

Edited August 5, 2010 by American Woman

[Sir Bandelot]

You are seriously demented.

We all know the stuff about harsh muslim treatment toward their women, and we all want to se that changed. But people like Dog can't seem to differentiate between those types of muslims and the many other ordinary muslims who don't abuse their women.

Their customs are backwards to us, including the way they separate of women in the mosque, or wherever else. I said, we still have some of those elements too. There are people who send their kids to those schools, because that's what they believe is right. In places like Britain this separation is even more obvious. It is still quite apparent in some christian groups, and in the bible. Eve is blamed. The example I gave is just one simple example. Ask a catholic nun more about it. Ask the ones who want to be able to give sermons in their own churches.

That doesn't mean I am excusing the behaviour. Just illustrting it, to try and help the fearful see that they are not as different from us as we might think. The radicals certainly are though. Pat Robertson, sure has a lot to say.

What's interesting is how quickly you, American Woman are to bring up the defects of Islam, which I do not deny but do you see that we have some of those same defects as well? And more importantly, is any of that good reason not to build the mosque in NYC. I thought the reason not to do it was out of empathy for the dead. Now it's because they abuse women. Next because they don't allow girls in school in Afghanistan, and they won't build a church in Saudi Arabia. Let's think up some more reasons, but remember, we're not bigotted, we just understand the reasons because, we are so wise.