Mosque going up in NYC building

bud · August 24, 2011

I am all for a mosque near the Ground Zero site.

I am also all for a Catholic Church and/or a Jewish Synagogue built in Mecca.

Anyone tell me why this would be different?

oh. oh. here is one of many differences:

- ground zero does not represent christianity, whereas mecca is a muslim holy city

no wait, let me do another one:

- there is no christian population in mecca, whereas in NYC, there is a large muslim population.

can you tell me how they are not different?

August 25, 2011

- there is no christian population in mecca, whereas in NYC, there is a large muslim population.

And why is that? <_<

bud · August 25, 2011

the mosque controversy was the creation of pamela gellar. a hideous racist blogger who;

wages a form of holy war through Atlas Shrugs, a Web site that attacks Islam with a rhetoric venomous enough that PayPal at one point branded it a hate site. Working here — often in fuzzy slippers — she has called for the removal of the Dome of the Rock from atop the Temple Mount in Jerusalem; posted doctored pictures of Elena Kagan, the Supreme Court justice, in a Nazi helmet; suggested the State Department was run by “Islamic supremacists”; and referred to health care reform as an act of national rape.

Ms. Geller has been writing since 2005, but this summer she skyrocketed to national prominence as the firebrand in chief opposing Park51, the planned Muslim community center she denounces as “the ground zero mega-mosque.”

if it wasn't for gellar, the building which was already being used for praying since 2009 would have received no attention. lucky for gellar, she can always count on mouthpieces who magnify her bigoted crusade against muslims and create a controversy out of nothing.

August 25, 2011

the mosque controversy was the creation of pamela gellar. a hideous racist blogger who;

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if it wasn't for gellar, the building which was already being used for praying since 2009 would have received no attention. lucky for gellar, she can always count on mouthpieces who magnify her bigoted crusade against muslims and create a controversy out of nothing.

Actually, you give her way too much credit ... but that's already been said.

What I find so typical is that you think it's bigoted to not support a mosque in a 15 story building being built on land available only because it was damaged on 9-11 by Islamic terrorists - while you smugly point out that there is no Christian population in Mecca. Again. WHY IS THAT? :rolleyes:

BubberMiley · August 25, 2011

WHY IS THAT?

I can answer.

Because muslims are bigoted against infidels.

DogOnPorch · August 25, 2011

Again. WHY IS THAT?

Weil es verboten ist!

bud · August 25, 2011

Actually, you give her way too much credit ... but that's already been said.

What I find so typical is that you think it's bigoted to not support a mosque in a 15 story building being built on land available only because it was damaged on 9-11 by Islamic terrorists - while you smugly point out that there is no Christian population in Mecca. Again. WHY IS THAT?

because saudi arabia, despite some gains, still has a backwards culture that is unwelcoming to others with a different religious background.

that said, it's bigoted and downright ignorant to blame the 911 attack on islam and muslims. being against the building of the mosque is a sign that you hold islam and muslims responsible for the 911 attacks when a mass majority of muslims, who come from different background, would never condone such an attack.

BubberMiley · August 25, 2011

that said, it's bigoted and downright ignorant to blame the 911 attack on islam and muslims.

I guess she asked for it by resurrecting the thread.

jbg · August 25, 2011

What no one has addressed here is the penchant of Muslims to descrecrate places of religious or historical importance of others. This project is on a par with building the Al Aksa Mosque on the Temple Mount.

BubberMiley · August 25, 2011

What no one has addressed here is the penchant of Muslims to descrecrate places of religious or historical importance of others.

I believe that was dealt with extensively in pages 37-42, 72-78, as well as 122-134. Not to mention the numerous times you've brought it up yourself. I think we can all agree that religious people are rarely saints.

Yukon Jack · August 25, 2011

oh. oh. here is one of many differences:

- ground zero does not represent christianity, whereas mecca is a muslim holy city

no wait, let me do another one:

- there is no christian population in mecca, whereas in NYC, there is a large muslim population.

can you tell me how they are not different?

Ground zero is in a country that was born based on Judeo-Christian values, while Mecca is the center of a 'religion' that supports and glorifies honor killings, stonings, beheadings and intolerance.

There is no Christian population in Mecca because Islam is so paranoid that, in typical fashion, has no courage or guts to tolerate it.

Too bad the Western world tolerates Islam. Even more too bad that people like you glorify it.

scouterjim · August 25, 2011

Ground zero is in a country that was born based on Judeo-Christian values, while Mecca is the center of a 'religion' that supports and glorifies honor killings, stonings, beheadings and intolerance.

There is no Christian population in Mecca because Islam is so paranoid that, in typical fashion, has no courage or guts to tolerate it.

Too bad the Western world tolerates Islam. Even more too bad that people like you glorify it.

Religious freedom is a strong cornerstone in this nation. Would you prefer that Canada or the US become "Christian states" in the same sense of an Islamic state? No thanks. It would be little different than living under the Taliban.

Edited August 25, 2011 by scouterjim

August 25, 2011

because saudi arabia, despite some gains, still has a backwards culture that is unwelcoming to others with a different religious background.

So why did you bring it up in the context you did?

that said, it's bigoted and downright ignorant to blame the 911 attack on islam and muslims.

I said "Islamic terrorists." Been covered - ad nauseum - moving on .......

Edited August 25, 2011 by American Woman

DogOnPorch · August 25, 2011

Religious freedom is a strong cornerstone in this nation. Would you prefer that Canada or the US become "Christian states" in the same sense of an Islamic state? No thanks. It would be little different than living under the Taliban.

Historically, the West has been fending-off Islam since the 7th century. Only recently has liberal thinking opened the door to my culture's age-old enemy allowing values counter to mine to gain equal footing in my society.

Black Dog · August 25, 2011

What no one has addressed here is the penchant of Muslims to descrecrate places of religious or historical importance of others.

Because it's not particularly relevant.

This project is on a par with building the Al Aksa Mosque on the Temple Mount.

Sure, if "on par" actually meant "completely different from."

Historically, the West has been fending-off Islam since the 7th century. Only recently has liberal thinking opened the door to my culture's age-old enemy allowing values counter to mine to gain equal footing in my society.

Which "enemy values", exactly? Do tell.

DogOnPorch · August 25, 2011

Which "enemy values", exactly? Do tell.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia

I think women are equal to men. You?

guyser · August 25, 2011

-my culture's age-old enemy allowing values counter to mine to gain equal footing in my society.

...and asked to show where.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia

Where in 'your culture' is sharia law on equal footing?

Ya know, apart from nowhere?

Edited August 25, 2011 by guyser

DogOnPorch · August 25, 2011

...and asked to show where.....

Where in 'your culture' is sharia law on equal footing?

Ya know, apart from nowhere?

Our mosque segregates men and women. The one(s) in your city doesn't, I gather?

guyser · August 25, 2011

Our mosque segregates men and women. The one(s) in your city doesn't, I gather?

Hmmm....not sure if they do, I doubt it.

Relevance?

Is it your idea to want this stopped, or people who do this (segregation) denied entry or what?

DogOnPorch · August 25, 2011

Relevance?

Women's rights are not important to you, I understand. But, to women (and some guys like myself), their rights are VERY important and any muddying of the waters should be viewed as a threat to these rights. That Islam segragates males from females in a supposedly free society, doesn't bode well for any society where it gets to pull the levers. History and reality certainly show this fact off to the fullest in countries where Islam rules.

Edited August 25, 2011 by DogOnPorch

DogOnPorch · August 25, 2011

Hmmm....not sure if they do, I doubt it.

You mean you don't know.

Sir Bandelot · August 25, 2011

Catholic church does more or less the same thing. Eg. nuns, vs. priests. No women are allowed to be priests. Why is this disparity tolerated? I guess most people feel, it's their religion, it's their business. No harm done in them wanting to keep it separate.

My own view is not that men and women are EQUAL, but that they have equal rights. Some men, and some women would disagree and have their reasons for wanting separation, and for wearing a veil.

In my country they ought to be allowed to believe that and practice their religion. If she doesn't want to she should have the right to leave it.

"... And when she tries, they cut her head off!!!"

In my country, we would never allow it. As long as they practice their religion and everyone MINDS THEIR OWN BUSINESS, there won't be a problem.

guyser · August 25, 2011

You mean you don't know.

Why not answer the relevance part. My answer was I dont know, but so what if segregated inside a Mosque, really who would care and why?

DogOnPorch · August 25, 2011

Why not answer the relevance part. My answer was I dont know, but so what if segregated inside a Mosque, really who would care and why?

Repeat:

Women's rights are not important to you, I understand. But, to women (and some guys like myself), their rights are VERY important and any muddying of the waters should be viewed as a threat to these rights. That Islam segragates males from females in a supposedly free society, doesn't bode well for any society where it gets to pull the levers. History and reality certainly show this fact off to the fullest in countries where Islam rules.

DogOnPorch · August 25, 2011

Catholic church does more or less the same thing. Eg. nuns, vs. priests. No women are allowed to be priests. Why is this disparity tolerated? I guess most people feel, it's their religion, it's their business. No harm done in them wanting to keep it separate.

My own view is not that men and women are EQUAL, but that they have equal rights. Some men, and some women would disagree and have their reasons for wanting separation, and for wearing a veil.

In my country they ought to be allowed to believe that and practice their religion. If she doesn't want to she should have the right to leave it.

"... And when she tries, they cut her head off!!!"

In my country, we would never allow it. As long as they practice their religion and everyone MINDS THEIR OWN BUSINESS, there won't be a problem.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_Islam

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing