British Petroleum....had better cough up the cash!

[Oleg Bach]

If what I mentioned above is fact then people have been ingesting this toxin for years''' Let me tell you a story of a small oil spill..a microcosmic example...AS a child there was this oil delivery guy that owned a small cottage next door - He stored a few tanks of oil out back. The well was about 30 feet from the well.

A leak developed...a few hundred gallons leaked into the ground...He sold the property and a new house was built next door - the shack was taken down...A hard working German family lived their - Joe - this two daughters his son and his wife Rose..FIRST the young beautiful daughter becomes ill with a strange cancer...she dies..I was with the poor thing on her death bed..it was very sad...THEN the son dies - both in their very early 20s - then Rose his wife dies..all from some strange cancer - all in the period of less than three years - Joe is left alone with one married daughter who lived else where.

We had a pure artisian well..Joe was not so luck...I tasted his water once and noticed a slight taste of petroleum product..they had become accustomed to the taste - personally - Later as I was raising my young family on some acreage - in the gully behind our property was a buisness - the owner had a contract to get rid of government waste - mostly highway material that was petroleum base - The bastard dumped the stuff in holes in the ravine ....He knew it was poison...my oldest daughter who was in the infant developmental stage at the time was diagnosed with an inoperable brain tumor on her brain stem...We left the location..the owner of the property knew exactly what had happened and he was afraid of litigation - he would at a distance peer through the fence and eventually forced us off the property...My daughter was very brave and some how is now a productive person.

People like this land lord that I mentioned make millions and really do not care who they hurt - BP is the same way.

[WIP]

There have been some environmentalists who have floated the optimistic notion that maybe the Gulf Blowout will be a defining moment when Americans realize that having to wade into mile-deep waters and drill three miles into the Earth's crust for the last remaining drops of oil means that it is time to phase out the oil economy -- but even in Louisiana, which has had it's state bird facing extinction as well as its shrimp industry, still has Republican and Democratic politicians sucking at the teat of Big Oil:

Louisiana leaders want Gulf drilling to resume Politicians say moratorium is a knee-jerk reaction

Louisiana lawmakers have railed against the moratorium, saying it could put more than 100,000 people out of work, shutter businesses and destroy livelihoods. A bill asking the administration to shorten the moratorium passed the Legislature unanimously.

I would have thought that an oil leak that will likely turn the entire Gulf of Mexico into a dead zone would be enough reason to stop future deep sea drilling until the oil companies at least figure out what to do in such disasters; but nooooo, those jobs (not to mention kickbacks and campaign donations from Big Oil) are too important to stop just because no one knows how to fix this disaster.

[Oleg Bach]

There have been some environmentalists who have floated the optimistic notion that maybe the Gulf Blowout will be a defining moment when Americans realize that having to wade into mile-deep waters and drill three miles into the Earth's crust for the last remaining drops of oil means that it is time to phase out the oil economy -- but even in Louisiana, which has had it's state bird facing extinction as well as its shrimp industry, still has Republican and Democratic politicians sucking at the teat of Big Oil:

Louisiana leaders want Gulf drilling to resume Politicians say moratorium is a knee-jerk reaction

Louisiana lawmakers have railed against the moratorium, saying it could put more than 100,000 people out of work, shutter businesses and destroy livelihoods. A bill asking the administration to shorten the moratorium passed the Legislature unanimously.

I would have thought that an oil leak that will likely turn the entire Gulf of Mexico into a dead zone would be enough reason to stop future deep sea drilling until the oil companies at least figure out what to do in such disasters; but nooooo, those jobs (not to mention kickbacks and campaign donations from Big Oil) are too important to stop just because no one knows how to fix this disaster.

Well said! The officals in Washington and on the state level are not thinking clearly on this important issue. They like BP oil seem to only be considering their own political and economic survival. This is not good public service on the part of a corporation or a government.

When it gets down to the crunch it is either save the world or save yourself - to save yourself and not save the world is to lose yourself - they are not thinking clearly.

So what if those gulf states lose a few hundred thousand high paying jobs working the rigs and connecting businesses! They will adjust and those workers if they can no longer afford their SUVs and eating out at sea food restaurants so be it..besides there will be no sea food in time for them to glut out on like it was an never ending supply of luxury.

Big oil was in total control - If Obama was in control he would have said from the get go - plug that well immediately..and if you do not plug it arrest warrants will be issued for all of them - the top dogs and even the weasily little workers. But he did not stand tall because oil controls him just as it did Cheney and Bush - nothing has changed - big money rules even if big money and big oil destroy the nation and part of the world.

These people may as well be drunk and as we know decisions made while intoxicate by toxins are bad ones - You might just wake up in bed with a dick up your ass - and the BP British school boys that run the show will say they love you that morning.

[Oleg Bach]

Oil spill what oil spill -------------------------------------memory is weak and off we go to the next big story - don't worry about it - what's a million barrels of oil in the food supply anyway - BP will send you a cheaque and you can go to WALMART and buy plastic junk for the kids - MADE FROM OIL- BP does not lose no matter what.

[Oleg Bach]

It's better that the Queen and Prince Charley declare insolventcy instead of letting thousands of barrels of oil destroy the gulf coast. Let the arrogant secretive mother f**kers drag out all of their money and send a thousand ships to clean up the oil spill with damned tea spoons if neccesary. Instead of doing what they are supposed to do they want to burn the stuff..as if oil and water burn easily and as if I want to breath the crap that keeps them rich.

Well mercy me..Oleg the rube has got some vision..INSOLVENCY might just be the solution that will allow BP to keep a hord of cash - and to hell with the share holders...I can see it now - Tony off with a suitcase of loot - trying to "get his life back."

[bush_cheney2004]

....I would have thought that an oil leak that will likely turn the entire Gulf of Mexico into a dead zone would be enough reason to stop future deep sea drilling until the oil companies at least figure out what to do in such disasters; but nooooo, those jobs (not to mention kickbacks and campaign donations from Big Oil) are too important to stop just because no one knows how to fix this disaster.

Your assumption is wrong to begin with, even as hyperbole. The Gulf of Mexico will not become a dead zone. It's a big place with lots of recovery mechanisms that will actually adapt and thrive, just as it has done before.

[Oleg Bach]

Your assumption is wrong to begin with, even as hyperbole. The Gulf of Mexico will not become a dead zone. It's a big place with lots of recovery mechanisms that will actually adapt and thrive, just as it has done before.

Sweet memories of Love Canal. They thought that Lake Ontario was a "big place" also and that it could absorb all industrial toxins..but decades later - I still have traces of the shit in my water. The world is a small place..and getting smaller. And perhaps those magic bacteria that love oil so much might just lose their taste for the sludge? You only live once my friend but as my dad said - there are others. Those other come after us - sure it might just be fine for now - but the time will come when death will rule...and dead zones will be everywhere..just a matter of time.

[Oleg Bach]

You do not shit in your food supply - not even a drop.

[bush_cheney2004]

... You only live once my friend but as my dad said - there are others. Those other come after us - sure it might just be fine for now - but the time will come when death will rule...and dead zones will be everywhere..just a matter of time.

Sure there are...and such "dads" helped to create them while spouting such bullshit.

[BubberMiley]

The Gulf of Mexico will not become a dead zone. It's a big place with lots of recovery mechanisms that will actually adapt and thrive, just as it has done before.

That would be very reassuring if you weren't an anonymous internet poster with nothing to back your statements up.

[bush_cheney2004]

That would be very reassuring if you weren't an anonymous internet poster with nothing to back your statements up.

I have already posted references to the marine hydrocarbon life cycle. Maybe you are too poor to even pay attention.

[Oleg Bach]

Sure there are...and such "dads" helped to create them while spouting such bullshit.

How dare you insult my father - He was a highly decorated officer - he served - was involved in an undocumented attempt on Hitler..he killed a whole wack of high ranking German officers in occupied Paris...while working as a double operative - He was an honour guard at the Kremlin..stood next to Stalin...could not quite figure out how to kill the guy with out getting killed...He got a second and third in athletic events for the WHOLE RED ARMY...He raised two families...and he worked his ass off in Canada being a nobody.

All of his friends were musicians - old aristocrats who did not care who was Christian - Jew or atheist..his group had class..His best friend was the son of our priest who started the first Christian Russian Orthodox Church in Toronto - what was left of the Royal Family attended....and my dad could kick your ass with stealth is a street fight or in combat.

And above all - my dad loved me with all his heart - He was a wounded man - scars on the outside and in...His family were destroyed after the revolution...all I can say BC - is that he was more of a man than you.

[Oleg Bach]

While I am at it - let me mention the British connection - I was born there and baptized in London at the Russian Orthodox Church In Exile - my dad came out of Berlin after the big bombing - and England opened their door and granted sanctuary..my older brother was born there also...His god mother was the woman that smuggled out some of the crown jewels that were on loan to the ballet...I might bash British Petroleum but I am truly thankful to the British and the Royal Family - for assisting the last of the true ancient Christian... SO there my AMERICAN friend you have a hint of who and what I am ---------I am the last of my tribe. AND I wish "There are others" - but they are gone. My father was something that you do not understand nor does all of America - there is one word to describe him CIVILIZED.

[Bonam]

SO there my AMERICAN friend you have a hint of who and what I am ---------I am the last of my tribe. AND I wish "There are others" - but they are gone.

And here you sit, the last of this proud line, and wile away your drunken days trying to impress anonymous internet identities with your lineage.

[Wild Bill]

There have been some environmentalists who have floated the optimistic notion that maybe the Gulf Blowout will be a defining moment when Americans realize that having to wade into mile-deep waters and drill three miles into the Earth's crust for the last remaining drops of oil means that it is time to phase out the oil economy -- but even in Louisiana, which has had it's state bird facing extinction as well as its shrimp industry, still has Republican and Democratic politicians sucking at the teat of Big Oil:

I would have thought that an oil leak that will likely turn the entire Gulf of Mexico into a dead zone would be enough reason to stop future deep sea drilling until the oil companies at least figure out what to do in such disasters; but nooooo, those jobs (not to mention kickbacks and campaign donations from Big Oil) are too important to stop just because no one knows how to fix this disaster.

Your post is full of unsubstantiated premises. First off, who says BP drilled there because there is no other oil available? There a HUGE numbers of oil and gas reserves already mapped that are much closer to the surface!

They drilled in the Gulf because techology has advanced to the point where it is not that big a deal to drill that deep. Once you have the oil flowing you save a fortune in shipping costs to get it to your land-based markets. Louisiana is much closer than shipping in an oil tanker from Saudi Arabia.

The problem in the gulf occurred not because it was such an iffy technical challenge but simply because BP wasn't conscientious about using the safety technologies we have had for some years! They were slackards and idiots, pure and simple.

Second, the Gulf is a VERY big volume of water! There will be negative effects but it will NOT be poisoned until it is dead across it's entire area! There will be a lot of dead birds and dead sea life but eventually it WILL recover!

BP may not, however. It will be financially responsible for all the damages and losses of the people who use the Gulf. Rightly so! It will be a good object lesson to any other company that drills in the area to not be so slack.

When I hear people go on about how these oil spills and such will cause such vast devastation I can't help but wonder if they ever heard of WWII? Ships were sank right, left and centre with bunker oil spilling out into the water. What about Tobruk? Huge supplies of fuel were exploded! Yet we are still here. So are the flowers, sea otters and the birds and bees.

Mother Earth is HUGE in comparison to Man and it is the height of arrogance to always assume that Man has the capacity for destruction that so many trumpet.

[dre]

There have been some environmentalists who have floated the optimistic notion that maybe the Gulf Blowout will be a defining moment when Americans realize that having to wade into mile-deep waters and drill three miles into the Earth's crust for the last remaining drops of oil means that it is time to phase out the oil economy

Humans are way too lazy, stupid, and short sighted to phase out the oil economy in time to prevent a major economic catastrohpe.

[Bonam]

Humans are way too lazy, stupid, and short sighted to phase out the oil economy in time to prevent a major economic catastrohpe.

There will be no catastrophe. As other technologies develop, there will be a smooth and natural transition.

The stone age didn't end because we ran out of stone.

Edited June 13, 2010 by Bonam

[Oleg Bach]

And here you sit, the last of this proud line, and wile away your drunken days trying to impress anonymous internet identities with your lineage.

You judge to quickly and take my colorful mentions of taking a drink to literally - as if alcohol is a major part of my life - I avoid the stuff as much as possible and do take a drink - and no more or less than you - How do you think I lasted this long? It was not by being a drunk..I was never dependent an booze...and I do not "wile away" or have long strings of "drunken days"...I am busy most days painting - and when that is done - I spend a lot of my time mentoring young musicians - artist and actors..

Plus I still write and record..and at present I am going to re-enter the publishing business..I might be turning 60 but I still look like a healthy and vigorous 49... AS for "impress anonymous internet identities" - I am not a competative type who seeks approval nor do I really give a shit..it is just an outlet for my energy and keeps my communication skill honed...seems that I IMPRESS YOU...

[Oleg Bach]

Oh and while I am busy impressing you - I will mention - you seem like some sort of mediocre socialist that does not have a creative bone in his body or has ever had an original thought..YOU may hate what is left of the old aristocracy but as long as one of us lives - I rule you..because you are not capable of leadership or good benevolent creative thought...I believe there is a word for your type...but I will not mention it - why do you remind me of a toothless old woman who lusts to pull the lever on the gilotine?

[Oleg Bach]

GETTING BACK ON TOPIC - this last interchange with Bonhead reminded me of what the crisis is as far as British Petroleum - they simply ran out of real noblemen and aristocrats and the worst inbred twits have risen to the top and all they know is how to top kill and bottom kill - it's all about killing for these big eared inbreds...they do not have the brain power to shut the well down..just too much money and far to much unwarranted status.

[punked]

Shady wrong once again Republicans now look to lift the cap on BP and their liability. It only took 2 months this time for Republicans to admit Democrats are RIGHT.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/06/boehner-bp-should-be-held-responsible-for-every-dime.php?ref=fpblg

[WIP]

Humans are way too lazy, stupid, and short sighted to phase out the oil economy in time to prevent a major economic catastrohpe.

There is a fundamental problem trying to deal with the climate issue, since it is slow moving and takes a collective effort (of global proportions) to solve it. It's hard enough trying to get international cooperation on the little things, so it wasn't much of a surprise that all the G8 countries were trying to look green at the Copenhagen conference, while doing little of substance.

[Oleg Bach]

There is a fundamental problem trying to deal with the climate issue, since it is slow moving and takes a collective effort (of global proportions) to solve it. It's hard enough trying to get international cooperation on the little things, so it wasn't much of a surprise that all the G8 countries were trying to look green at the Copenhagen conference, while doing little of substance.

When you hear the term "green" you may as well be talking oil base green enamel paint..it means nothing - Oil should not be phased out - it should simply be controlled - it is an addictive substance that leads to death eventually - It must be used in moderation or not at all...It is NOT to be used as a tool to enslave and addict so a few certain people can have influence and personal fortunes in the billions...no one needs a billion dollars - and if they think they do the should be committed to a nut house - a place for the criminally insane - Oil Barons are criminal and their approach to life was fine 50 years ago and time has changed - time for them to bow out gracefully.

[Oleg Bach]

There will be no catastrophe. As other technologies develop, there will be a smooth and natural transition.

The stone age didn't end because we ran out of stone.

"we ran out of stones"? No you are correct the stone age did not end...apparently you have a clear memory of that particular time in history..and some are living proof that re-incarnation is a reality.

[Oleg Bach]

OIL is the energy that drives on western civilization....no small group of men should have total control over the blood supply of any body.

Can we all imagine that there are people so driven by profit and the idea of having enough personal worth, that they could not expend within ten life times? The whole idea of oil is as we know an inter-generational thing where certain entitlements are passed down to their heirs - It seems that these guys think that they are the new aristocracy...If you understand the term aristocrat it literally means "the best to rule" - seems that these people are NOT the best and that fact has grown evident.

ALSO: These folks like to lord over governments...and as ignobles they also forget what the word lord meant as far as public service which is real class..Lord meant - NOT to dominate and harm - it meant "keeper of the bread" In other words those entrusted to hold common wealth for the mass..apparently this common wealth is so poorly managed that it harms the mass rather than feed it.

Then again these folks have forgotten what it is to be noble - and I am sure they think of themselves as noble... actually means to be generous - to generate power to your lessors...Funny how the Brits have lost all the concepts that created the original empire - based in honour and grace...and public service.

Now if you remember the old title - "Your Grace" The word grace originally meant "The un-deserved mercy of God" _ In other words to grant grace and kindness to those that do not even deserve it...That was the essence of class...and British Petroleum have show that they have no class...just a shit load of money - This is what the world has come to - true good and noble people have been displaced by the merchant class - and OIL merchants are not fit to run the world as we have seen.