Mr.Canada Posted March 30, 2010 Report Posted March 30, 2010 The Tories plan to use the cancel per vote subsidy as a plank of their next election campaign. This is great and was very popular with Canadians across the board. This is awesome, finally the Tories doing something great and worthwhile. I truly hope they do keep this promise. The NDP, BQ and Liberals will all be crippled. The BQ may not even survive at all which would be wonderful for Canada. I don't see why they don't just outlaw the BQ and mvoe on but that's for another topic. Remember his election-finance manouevre of some time ago, the one that stank the joint out, almost toppling his government? It’s back. The Conservatives have confirmed that the measure, which would eliminate the per-vote subsidy that political parties receive, will be part of their next election platform.Source Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
Topaz Posted March 30, 2010 Report Posted March 30, 2010 The Tories plan to use the cancel per vote subsidy as a plank of their next election campaign. This is great and was very popular with Canadians across the board. This is awesome, finally the Tories doing something great and worthwhile. I truly hope they do keep this promise. The NDP, BQ and Liberals will all be crippled. The BQ may not even survive at all which would be wonderful for Canada. I don't see why they don't just outlaw the BQ and mvoe on but that's for another topic. Yes, you know why? Because THEY can survive without it and I think if parties NEED the help then give it to them. why? Harper alsways said he wants Canada to be paint blue, well, if the other parties can`t survive without the financial help, then we could be down to one party that makes everyone BLUE!! So I say, put an amount of how much a party ahas and if you go over that limits then you don`t get it, like the Tories. Quote
Smallc Posted March 30, 2010 Report Posted March 30, 2010 Good, get rid of all taxpayer support for the parties. Quote
Alta4ever Posted March 30, 2010 Report Posted March 30, 2010 Good, get rid of all taxpayer support for the parties. I agree Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
Wild Bill Posted March 30, 2010 Report Posted March 30, 2010 I still remember fundraising with the Reform Party. We didn't get much from millionaires and big business. We got millions of dollars in donations, $10 at a time! Ordinary people giving small amounts that they could afford amounted to a very large sum, indeed. Since then whenever someone tries to tell me that they belong to a political party that would be very popular with Canadians yet can't get anyone to VOLUNTARILY give them a few dollars I just can't take them seriously! The idea that a party can only exist if they get free taxpayers money to me is just an admission that they truly are not popular with ordinary people at all. If someone will throw $10 in the hat that to me is much more "real" than a bunch of politicians passing a law that they can take $10 from every tax payers' wallet. An INVOLUNTARY donation is just an elitist sham! Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
ToadBrother Posted March 30, 2010 Report Posted March 30, 2010 Good, get rid of all taxpayer support for the parties. And then next get rid of parties. Quote
Smallc Posted March 30, 2010 Report Posted March 30, 2010 If someone will throw $10 in the hat that to me is much more "real" than a bunch of politicians passing a law that they can take $10 from every tax payers' wallet. An INVOLUNTARY donation is just an elitist sham! On the other hand, it's much more real that you actually got a person to vote for you. In order for a party to receive votes, it has to have ideas that people agree with....and under the political subsidy system, the parties who represent the views of Canadians best get support from Canada. Quote
Smallc Posted March 30, 2010 Report Posted March 30, 2010 And then next get rid of parties. I don't know about that. I think our system needs them to work properly and with any actual speed. I was being a bit facetious in my statement. Quote
Moonlight Graham Posted March 30, 2010 Report Posted March 30, 2010 Why the heck am i paying to fund all these idiots? I hope they get rid of it. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Smallc Posted March 30, 2010 Report Posted March 30, 2010 Why the heck am i paying to fund all these idiots? I hope they get rid of it. You'll still be paying every time someone donates. Quote
Mr.Canada Posted March 30, 2010 Author Report Posted March 30, 2010 Clear consensus even here at MLW. This is a great step forward. We definitely need to eliminate this form of welfare. Political parties need to raise their own monies privately. If they cannot, they cease to exist. Political Party Welfare must end! Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
Bonam Posted March 30, 2010 Report Posted March 30, 2010 Good, get rid of all taxpayer support for the parties. Agreed as well. Quote
ToadBrother Posted March 30, 2010 Report Posted March 30, 2010 Agreed as well. And then, as part of measures to get us out of deficit, let's start taxing political parties as money-making businesses. I say the government coffers should receive about 25% of every donation. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted March 30, 2010 Report Posted March 30, 2010 (edited) Clear consensus even here at MLW. This is a great step forward. We definitely need to eliminate this form of welfare. Political parties need to raise their own monies privately. If they cannot, they cease to exist. Political Party Welfare must end! It's fine with me as long as you limit donations. It's bad to have expensive campaigns: they just buy airtime for slanted ads. The press is more than equipped to give the parties publicity that they need. Edited March 30, 2010 by Michael Hardner Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Mr.Canada Posted March 30, 2010 Author Report Posted March 30, 2010 (edited) It's fine with me as long as you limit donations. It's bad to have expensive campaigns: they just buy airtime for slanted ads. The press is more than equipped to give the parties publicity that they need. Donations are already limited. If the party has the money they can do as they wish. If the ydon't they need to appeal more to their base. Political parties shouldn't be getting any tax dollars. I hope this will boost support numbers for the Tories. We must crush our enemies, the power mad socialists. Edited March 30, 2010 by Mr.Canada Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
Alta4ever Posted March 30, 2010 Report Posted March 30, 2010 We must crush our enemies, the power mad socialists. Don't you think this is a tad bit ridiculous. Quote "What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?" Jack Layton and his coup against the people of Canada “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” President Ronald Reagan
Mr.Canada Posted March 30, 2010 Author Report Posted March 30, 2010 Don't you think this is a tad bit ridiculous. Lol, probably. My point was that the socialists(Liberals, NDP et el) will stop at nothing in order to gain power. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
Smallc Posted March 30, 2010 Report Posted March 30, 2010 The Liberals aren't socialists...I don't think that even the NDP are socialists. Quote
M.Dancer Posted March 30, 2010 Report Posted March 30, 2010 The Liberals aren't socialists...I don't think that even the NDP are socialists. Of course they are. They have a socialist wing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Democratic_Party_Socialist_Caucus I would say though, while for good reason the more strident socialist voices and policies are downplayed, the aim of the party from wing to wing is Make the Rich pay. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Smallc Posted March 30, 2010 Report Posted March 30, 2010 I would say though, while for good reason the more strident socialist voices and policies are downplayed, the aim of the party from wing to wing is Make the Rich pay. Is that why the Liberals lowered both corporate taxes and the highest tax brackets? Quote
M.Dancer Posted March 30, 2010 Report Posted March 30, 2010 Is that why the Liberals lowered both corporate taxes and the highest tax brackets? I was refering to the NDP..as the link will show Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
ToadBrother Posted March 30, 2010 Report Posted March 30, 2010 Lol, probably. My point was that the socialists(Liberals, NDP et el) will stop at nothing in order to gain power. The Tories prorogued Parliament twice to evade a poor show in the House, and you accuse the Opposition of stopping at nothing? I mean, the Tories made constitutional history by actually using prorogation to evade a Confidence vote. The fact is that all of the parties, if they thought they could get some mileage out of any scheme and not pay too heavy a price for it (or at least not get caught) would do a lot of extraordinarily bad or ill-advised things. Quote
Mr.Canada Posted March 30, 2010 Author Report Posted March 30, 2010 The Liberals aren't socialists...I don't think that even the NDP are socialists. Any party not right wing is socialist in my opinion. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
Mr.Canada Posted March 30, 2010 Author Report Posted March 30, 2010 The Tories prorogued Parliament twice to evade a poor show in the House, and you accuse the Opposition of stopping at nothing? I mean, the Tories made constitutional history by actually using prorogation to evade a Confidence vote. The fact is that all of the parties, if they thought they could get some mileage out of any scheme and not pay too heavy a price for it (or at least not get caught) would do a lot of extraordinarily bad or ill-advised things. They've had ample opportunities to vote the Tories down since then and have failed to defeat them. They even supported their extended estimates money bill. Seems like they like PM Harper now. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
ToadBrother Posted March 30, 2010 Report Posted March 30, 2010 They've had ample opportunities to vote the Tories down since then and have failed to defeat them. They even supported their extended estimates money bill. Seems like they like PM Harper now. Neither the Liberals or the Tories have any hope at the moment of a majority, so at some point, unless they're all going to sit each on their own side of the House and stick their fingers in their ears, are going to have to work together. It's pretty clear that the House is incredibly toxic, and that the Opposition loathes Harper, and yet, they still are put there to govern. Quote
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