Smallc Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 Then how is it different from agnosticism ? Again..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 Again..... New thread started: http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=16132 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Canada Posted March 30, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 New thread started: http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=16132 Thank you sir. I am sure people will benefit more from your new thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g_bambino Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 Should be: Sure, but that right is NOT guaranteed to her any more than I have the right to take off Yom Kippur. Ah, I see. Well, no, it's not presently guaranteed. But it was your proposal to make it such. [C]ould they not be accommodated by guaranteeing that only a woman would be there to verify their identity ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 Ah, I see. Well, no, it's not presently guaranteed. But it was your proposal to make it such. I would guarantee some facility for them to come by for service at a time when a woman was available, for certain services only: services that are widely used, offered in major metropolitan centres. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToadBrother Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 I would guarantee some facility for them to come by for service at a time when a woman was available, for certain services only: services that are widely used, offered in major metropolitan centres. Would this be a concrete guarantee, or only an agreement that where possible or convenient to the government office in question, some courtesy would be extended? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Canada Posted March 30, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 Would this be a concrete guarantee, or only an agreement that where possible or convenient to the government office in question, some courtesy would be extended? If it became a choice of allowing this or banning everything religious. I'd ban everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToadBrother Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 If it became a choice of allowing this or banning everything religious. I'd ban everything. One thing you can be sure of is that you love to ban things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 Would this be a concrete guarantee, or only an agreement that where possible or convenient to the government office in question, some courtesy would be extended? I guess the former. Does it make that much of a difference ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 I would guarantee some facility for them to come by for service at a time when a woman was available, for certain services only: services that are widely used, offered in major metropolitan centres. What about men who don't want to be served by women because of their religious beliefs. Could they opt out too and demand a man in all government offices? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToadBrother Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 I guess the former. Does it make that much of a difference ? I think the difference is one of expectation. If it's a weak commitment that doesn't bind the government to having to have certain staff at certain places, and doesn't ultimately discriminate against certain government staff based on their gender, it doesn't bother me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RB Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 If you want to wear a bedsheet go "home". What if they were born in Canada? do they go to Ottawa as their home. we have some laws that protect rights to practice religion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 What if they were born in Canada? do they go to Ottawa as their home. we have some laws that protect rights to practice religion. The bedsheet is not part of their religion, it is part of their determination to uphold and further a warped, backward culture from their homeland. If they admire it so much then whether they were born in canada or not they should go HOME. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muddy Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 If we mistakenly allow the use of a mask in our society to give reasonable accomadation what will be next? Will we allow circumscion forced upon girls and women as is the custom in some Islamic states? Will we watch as young children or women are forced into arranged marriages? Where does reasonable accomadation start and stop. Our culture built on British custom and common law have given the greatest freedom for people from all over the world to immigrate and become equal citizens. Show me where in the Islamic world one can immigrate to ,have their religion, customs and life style accepted along with citizenship. The only place is Israel in the middle east. Enough of this so called reasonable accomadation. It is not reasonable nor sane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyly Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 I would guarantee some facility for them to come by for service at a time when a woman was available, for certain services only: services that are widely used, offered in major metropolitan centres. seems fair, many women in Canada insist on a female doctor and can refuse to be seen by men in the ER and no one questions that right...but should I request someone of a different gender service me what kind hell would that raise...there are practical problems..driving, it seems to be a safety/vision issue with fabric covering their entire head, then the practicality of identifying themselves if requested by male police officers on road side checks... then there is swimming pool issue, it hasn't happened as yet that I know of with these women but locally we've had women of south Asia given the right to go into public swimming pools fully clothed, there is a health issue here if I was to do that I'd be escorted out of the facility... they have the freedom to dress as they wish but there need's to be practical rules to govern that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyly Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 If we mistakenly allow the use of a mask in our society to give reasonable accomadation what will be next? Will we allow circumscion forced upon girls and women as is the custom in some Islamic states? we allow circumcision forced upon on boysWill we watch as young children or women are forced into arranged marriages? Where does reasonable accomadation start and stop. Our culture built on British custom and common law have given the greatest freedom for people from all over the world to immigrate and become equal citizens. Show me where in the Islamic world one can immigrate to ,have their religion, customs and life style accepted along with citizenship. The only place is Israel in the middle east. Enough of this so called reasonable accomadation. It is not reasonable nor sane. 1st-how do you know the arranged marriages are forced? I've known a number of asian women and men who want their parents to arrange a marriage 2nd-there are Canadians that have arranged marriages as well 3rd-we do nothing to stop child marriages in Canada-Bountiful BC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 I think the difference is one of expectation. If it's a weak commitment that doesn't bind the government to having to have certain staff at certain places, and doesn't ultimately discriminate against certain government staff based on their gender, it doesn't bother me. Something like that... This is why it's called "reasonable accommodation". A good line in the sand is the turban/hat thing that RCMP agents may wear if required to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 What about men who don't want to be served by women because of their religious beliefs. Could they opt out too and demand a man in all government offices? Who has such a belief ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 If we mistakenly allow the use of a mask in our society to give reasonable accomadation what will be next? The next thing will be next. Enough of this so called reasonable accomadation. It is not reasonable nor sane. I recall that the world was supposed to end when that RCMP Sikh donned his turban. That didn't happen either. On we go. Do voice your opinion, as is your right. Also keep in mind that as time goes on, your views sound more and more out-of-step with who we are as a country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 seems fair, many women in Canada insist on a female doctor and can refuse to be seen by men in the ER and no one questions that right...but should I request someone of a different gender service me what kind hell would that raise... See, I didn't even know that. That's a government providence of services to allow for personal measures of modesty. Your other examples were thought-provoking too, as questions around reasonability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToadBrother Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 seems fair, many women in Canada insist on a female doctor and can refuse to be seen by men in the ER and no one questions that right...but should I request someone of a different gender service me what kind hell would that raise... Maybe that accommodation can be made where you live, but where I live, there's usually only one doctor in the ER. Anyone with objections to the gender of the doctor is S.O.L. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oleg Bach Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 My wife went to a doctor. The receptionist looked like a big black tank with a set of eyes peeping through..the old wife has a problem hearing and talking though black fabric was an extra irritant for the poor old brood mare..what was more irritating is that the burka babe had the luxury of personal invisabilty which allowed for great arrogance and rudeness on the part of the Islamic eletist burka bitch...they can look through the little hole and judge you- but you can not judge what you can not see...kind of like a Catholic priest enjoying a position of untouchability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyly Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 Maybe that accommodation can be made where you live, but where I live, there's usually only one doctor in the ER. Anyone with objections to the gender of the doctor is S.O.L. that's true...my mother never had that option just because their were few women MD's in her day...but my wife does make sure she has a female personal MD...I recall in hospital with the birth of our kids she was always asked first if any doctor other than her chosen ob MD(a woman) could examine her, it was her right to refuse anyone... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToadBrother Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 My wife went to a doctor. The receptionist looked like a big black tank with a set of eyes peeping through..the old wife has a problem hearing and talking though black fabric was an extra irritant for the poor old brood mare..what was more irritating is that the burka babe had the luxury of personal invisabilty which allowed for great arrogance and rudeness on the part of the Islamic eletist burka bitch...they can look through the little hole and judge you- but you can not judge what you can not see...kind of like a Catholic priest enjoying a position of untouchability. So let me get this straight. Your wife encountered a rude Muslim in a burka, therefore burkas create rude Muslims. I think even you can see the serious problem with your reasoning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Canada Posted March 30, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 We've lost the cities to the socialists. Abandon them, let them have them. Come out to the more rural areas and you'd all live much happier and much more peacefully. Common sense rules the day out here for the most part. Sure you gotta commute sometimes but it's worth it. Bigger backyards, safe neighborhoods, better school conditions for your children, peace and quiet at night. You car insurance will drop dramatically. Ours is only a third of what it was in the city. Seriously, I think every reasonable person should check it out and see how the other half lives. You might like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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