M.Dancer Posted March 25, 2010 Report Posted March 25, 2010 There's different views coming out of what happen last night. Coulter, on her website, said something about chairs being thrown and fires light, at least, that is what the interviewer, interviewing the head of the student said. Of course the student laughed and said what, that never happen! So now she on to Calgary, and let see what happens. Will they let her have her free speech to personal attack people. If I were in the audience, I just stare and not say a word, be very quiet. That is better than screaming and protesting. She wants a rise out of people and they should let her have one. Levant is more better than her and the more I think about it, she would fit right in with the Tories. Harper could have her stand up and answer every question instead of Baird. It doesn't say much about Harper's views when he has Levant as a advisor. If you and Bjre team up, you can split the costs of an editor so that both of you can look like you speak english. Pennies a word... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 25, 2010 Report Posted March 25, 2010 (edited) meh... much ado... She used that to her advantage as well. Any publicity is good publicity. I just made a "Helpful Advice" folder for any e-mail I may get from Houle. Maybe he/she has a lot of other safety tips for travel to Canada such as: 1) Do not display any American flags on your person, luggage, or vehicle 2) Canada can experience severe weather conditions in winter - be prepared! 3) Canadians drive on the right side of the road (meant for UK travelers) 4) Right turns on red lights are permitted except in some parts of Quebec (???) 5) Canada has wild animals; rabies is common in racoons, squirrels, and protesters. Edited March 25, 2010 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
capricorn Posted March 25, 2010 Report Posted March 25, 2010 Well speak of the devil. Allan Rock has something to say. “Freedom of expression is a core value that the University of Ottawa has always promoted,” said Allan Rock, President of the University. “We have a long history of hosting contentious and controversial speakers on our campus. Last night was no exception, as people gathered here to listen to and debate Ann Coulter’s opinions.I encourage our students, faculty and other members of our community to maintain our University as an open forum for diverse opinions. Ours is a safe and democratic environment for the expression of views, and we will keep it that way.” http://www.media.uottawa.ca/mediaroom/news-details_1897.html So. U of O promotes freedom of expression. Will all speakers now receive a civics lesson on what constitutes inciting hatred before they're allowed on campus? I guess time will tell. Oh, and the U of O estimates the crowd at 1,000. Like moths to a flame. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 25, 2010 Report Posted March 25, 2010 (edited) They are in full ass covering mode by now. Houle needs to e-mail the protesters. Edited March 25, 2010 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
M.Dancer Posted March 25, 2010 Report Posted March 25, 2010 OI was watching CBC and they has this guy on with acne who was reading from notes (or so he sounded) and he kept saying how University of Ottawa is a safe place and keeping coulter out was important to keep the university a safe place and I thought.."safe place?" what? Is she driving? Is her driving a danger that threatens the sadfe place.... But then, as I listened, I grew to uinderstand what he was saying...safe place didn't mean a [placed free from cracked pavement, loose banisters or faulty wiring....it meant a place where no ones feeling could get hurt and no one could possibly get offended (other than jews)...and I thought...what kind of place would make this faggot a spokesfaggot for such a faqgoty idea? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7N6Phmale_Q&feature=related Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 25, 2010 Report Posted March 25, 2010 and I thought...what kind of place would make this faggot a spokesfaggot for such a faqgoty idea? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7N6Phmale_Q&feature=related Hey! You can't say "faggot"...it is...it's....UN-CANADIAN dammit! You need e-mail therapy! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
M.Dancer Posted March 25, 2010 Report Posted March 25, 2010 Hey! You can't say "faggot"...it is...it's....UN-CANADIAN dammit! You need e-mail therapy! In can't remember the first time |I read the word faggot. It was in a classic comic...might have been tom brown's school days...but every upperclassman had a faggot or two...did you have any faggots on the subs? I bet some of the officers had their personal faggots...although they probably had an american navy term for it...like corkpuller or something... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 25, 2010 Report Posted March 25, 2010 In can't remember the first time |I read the word faggot. It was in a classic comic...might have been tom brown's school days...but every upperclassman had a faggot or two...did you have any faggots on the subs? I bet some of the officers had their personal faggots...although they probably had an american navy term for it...like corkpuller or something... Sure we had faggot missiles....NATO designated fagots, and the Limeys had fags. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Muddy Posted March 25, 2010 Report Posted March 25, 2010 well folkd you can all argue over the piddly things ,but this thread is about Coulter. The left wing thugs came out in Ottawa to stop her from speaking. They did just that through intimidation .Who won? Coulter did. She got more publicity than she could have bought. Houle and the University of Ottawa look really bad in the eyes of academia in the western world. Coulter won the day. End of story. Move on folkd theres nothing more to see here. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 25, 2010 Report Posted March 25, 2010 (edited) well folkd you can all argue over the piddly things ,but this thread is about Coulter. The left wing thugs came out in Ottawa to stop her from speaking. They did just that through intimidation .Who won? Coulter did. She got more publicity than she could have bought. Houle and the University of Ottawa look really bad in the eyes of academia in the western world. Coulter won the day. End of story. Move on folkd theres nothing more to see here. True....but I am not surprised that Coulter prevailed in the end. They played right into her cold hearted hands. It was no contest from the 'git go. I will add this anecdote from a recent visit back to the land of academia. Whilst schlepping junior about the countryside for the best choice in a university, I noticed that the academic leadership were quite uptight when giving admitted class speeches in fron of a large group, while the lowly administrators could speak to the same group without notes or a teleprompter. Edited March 25, 2010 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
wyly Posted March 25, 2010 Report Posted March 25, 2010 she would fit right in with the Tories. Harper could have her stand up and answer every question instead of Baird. It doesn't say much about Harper's views when he has Levant as a advisor. well that describes a number of tories already in Harpers government, there is a good reason why the PMO's office does not allow them to make public comments just ask MP Rob Anders...oh I forgot he's not allowed to make public appearances or talk... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
wyly Posted March 25, 2010 Report Posted March 25, 2010 The first boner committed by the University was sending that email to Coulter telling her to watch her mouth and raising the specter of criminal charges before she even uttered a word of her speech. Everyone is blaming Houle but I hold Alan Rock, U of O President and former federal Justice Minister, just as responsible for this fiasco. Funny how silent Rock has been and is nowhere to be seen. it seems to me it was deliberately twisted by Coulter for her own benefit...if I went to another country and someone advises me not to partake in behaviour that could get me in trouble with local laws I would be grateful for the warning... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
wyly Posted March 25, 2010 Report Posted March 25, 2010 What difference. She got to speak at the U of Western Ontario, right? And apparently she will get to speak in Calgary. Right? Unless the good and decent people of Alberta come out to protest... and send her packing. But naaa. Hell they even let GWB speak there, without arresting him. A haven for war criminals, ex-nazis and racists. the latest news(which I can't confirm as yet) is the U of C rally is cancelled, potential protestors were growing in numbers and are threatening to follow her to a new location... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
jbg Posted March 25, 2010 Report Posted March 25, 2010 Speak out if you must. I too think it's the time for speaking not stopping speaking. I appreciate that you appear to understand the root logic of my beliefs here, and do not brand me as having the same opinions as Coulter. I agree with your response to his/her/its drivel. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
jbg Posted March 25, 2010 Report Posted March 25, 2010 it seems to me it was deliberately twisted by Coulter for her own benefit...if I went to another country and someone advises me not to partake in behaviour that could get me in trouble with local laws I would be grateful for the warning... That's like saying that if I deigned to travel to Cuba or North Korea I should be glad to be told not to say that Raoul Castro or Kim Il Jong (or whichever son of his is running things) are assholes? Is this the kind of country Canada wants to be? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Black Dog Posted March 25, 2010 Report Posted March 25, 2010 This thread is TLDR, but let me ask this: what's a better headline for Anne Coulter: "Anne Coulter gives speech; no one cares" or "Anne Coulter cancels speech: freedom dead?" Funny thing is, I bet the anti-Coulter contingent would have outnumbered the people who actually pay to see that fraud speak by a good 4 to 1. Quote
wyly Posted March 25, 2010 Report Posted March 25, 2010 That's like saying that if I deigned to travel to Cuba or North Korea I should be glad to be told not to say that Raoul Castro or Kim Il Jong (or whichever son of his is running things) are assholes? Is this the kind of country Canada wants to be? drinking alcohol in Saudi Arabia is a crime that is their law if someone advises you to obey that law do as they suggest... in Canada inciting hatred is against the law if someone suggests you obey that law for your own good pay attention... obeying laws is what we do, this the kind of country we are and the kind of country we want...you live in a country that kills it's political figures is that the kind of country the USA wants to be? apparently so... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
wyly Posted March 25, 2010 Report Posted March 25, 2010 well it's confirmed Coulter cancelled her U of C rally for the nazi faithful, moved to less hostile environment...the future looks good for Canada the younger generation has no tolerance for hatemongers... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
scorpio Posted March 25, 2010 Report Posted March 25, 2010 well it's confirmed Coulter cancelled her U of C rally for the nazi faithful, moved to less hostile environment...the future looks good for Canada the younger generation has no tolerance for hatemongers... Do you have a link? Quote
waldo Posted March 25, 2010 Report Posted March 25, 2010 Morris, have you seen any media or read anything that indicated there was an actual threat to Coulter? It's manufactured. No i haven't to be honest. What is manufactured though I can say wioth certainty are the claims that attendees were vetted to prevent disruptions....and the event was cancelled because they feared disruptions.Which claim is false cause one must be....and probably both are given that coulter faced hecklers before and at western and easily fended them off. She had nothing to fear from hecklers. now, now... although he hasn't seen anything in the media or read anything to support that there were actual threats, don't deny Dancer his right to bluster wildly about threats - that Coulter (fighting bravely), in the face of Dancer's manufactured threats, let the organizers of her tour cancel the event. Apparently, Coulter was seen screeching her best Braveheart "freedom" cry when organizers floated the idea of cancelling... a full 2 hours before the actual event. Now that the provost has instructed me on the criminal speech laws he apparently believes I have a proclivity (to break), despite knowing nothing about my speech, I see that he is guilty of promoting hatred against an identifiable group: conservatives. The provost simply believes and is publicizing his belief that conservatives are more likely to commit hate crimes in their speeches. Not only does this promote hatred against conservatives, but it promotes violence against conservatives. apparently, should one dare to suggest to Coulter that Canada has a strong tradition of, "restraint, respect and consideration in expressing even provocative and controversial opinions"... that suggestion promotes hated against the identifiable group: conservatives. of course Dancer also holds to an absolute certainty that no vetting occurred... cause he just knows it to be so. Even though Dancer receives 2 separate suggestions from 2 separate posters that the UofO's student union president, told separate media (as reported by the separate media), that Coulter's organizers were vetting those allowed into the meeting hall... that only a quarter of the available seats were actually filled at 19:00 and no more persons were being allowed in. Go figure... three quarters of the seats were empty with a full crowd of "hundreds" waiting to enter. No unruly crowd behaviour... so says the Ottawa police. But did you hear all about Dancer's manufactured threats? such a manufactured hullabaloo over a supposed affront to Coulter's "freedom of speech"... that oh so venerable right that, apparently, Coulter could care less about! Huh! They're [Democrats] always accusing us of repressing their speech. I say let's do it. Let's repress them. Frankly, I'm not a big fan of the First Amendment. Quote
waldo Posted March 25, 2010 Report Posted March 25, 2010 OI was watching CBC and they has this guy on with acne who was reading from notes (or so he sounded) and he kept saying how University of Ottawa is a safe place and keeping coulter out was important to keep the university a safe place and I thought.."safe place?" what? Is she driving? Is her driving a danger that threatens the sadfe place.... oh my gawd! Acne!!! But then, as I listened, I grew to uinderstand what he was saying...safe place didn't mean a [placed free from cracked pavement, loose banisters or faulty wiring....it meant a place where no ones feeling could get hurt and no one could possibly get offended (other than jews)...and I thought...what kind of place would make this faggot a spokesfaggot for such a faqgoty idea? another Dancer reach! But no one should deny your freedom right to attempt to draw/infer word associations, misplaced or not. Quote
Argus Posted March 25, 2010 Report Posted March 25, 2010 I agree that death threats against anyone is wrong. But she has no leg to stand on considering how much she has insulted and berated with her right-wing rhetoric. It's not welcome here, regardless of her being invited by a small group who want to applaud her whenever she opens up her mouth. You have no right to say someone is or is not welcome in this country, in Ottawa or at the a publicly funded university. She was clearly welcome enough for them to rent a hall for people to listen to her (who would rent one for you?). That is sufficient. Coulter is a lot of things but I've seen nothing to indicate she's ever broken any laws or intended to. And if all she's done is to give offense to the intollerent, self-righteous prigs of the left, then good on her. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted March 25, 2010 Report Posted March 25, 2010 (edited) the criminal code of Canada disagrees with you...freedom of speech does not include a freedom to spread hatred.... One of the problems with laws which forbid speech is that their application might one day be overseen by wack jobs like you who are such zealots you interpet anything which offends as "hate speech". Edited March 25, 2010 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
M.Dancer Posted March 25, 2010 Report Posted March 25, 2010 oh my gawd! Acne!!! No need to worry, I'm sure after you have grown out of the awkward stage, it should clear itself up another Dancer reach! But no one should deny your freedom right to attempt to draw/infer word associations, misplaced or not. Feel free to come up with a better non faggoty definition of what a safe place means in the context of Coulter coming to a university...a heck....come up with a faggoty one if you can't. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Argus Posted March 25, 2010 Report Posted March 25, 2010 I have no problem with free speech. When i first heard about this incident i thought it a bit dumb that it was canceled. I originally thought "she's a moron but should be able to talk". However, after just reading some things she's said & what she recently said to a Muslim student at the University of Western Ontario i think she is seriously bordering on hate-speech: All you're demonstrating here is your complete lack of knowledge about what constitutes hate speech and a disturbing lack of commitment to basic human rights and freedoms in favour of a mushy "mustn't offend" attitude. Guess what? There is no human right not to be offended. God forbid there ever is one. As for that student - she deserved to be offended. She sounded like the self-righteous type which is constantly offended anyway. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
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