William Ashley Posted February 7, 2010 Report Posted February 7, 2010 It's a victory for somebody....maybe Obama? Don't Canadians just love Obama? LOL! A rube and his softwood lumber are soon parted. The shamed American bastards will cry all the way to their bailed out banks. ...you hate them....just like Carolyn, right? I think the legislators who betrayed their ally have reason to be hated for them putting the dispicable act, not only in violation of freetrade/NAFTA and WTO agreements but also in good taste and mindful of the money Canada makes the US. Personally I think NAFTA should be dropped and huge tarrifs levied against US goods and high US based export tarrifs so they can get their resources at mark ups while Canada sells its goods to china. Good riddance to self serving bastards. Quote I was here.
Shady Posted February 7, 2010 Report Posted February 7, 2010 SELFISH BASTARDS!! Yes, selfish bastards. For wanting to spend their tax money in their own country. How completely selfish. Quote
William Ashley Posted February 7, 2010 Report Posted February 7, 2010 (edited) Yes, selfish bastards. For wanting to spend their tax money in their own country. How completely selfish. It is. As soon as we start throwing around our country their country, and protectionism it is selfishness. Forcing their municipalities not to buy Canadian goods is backward when Canadians are dying in Afghanistan for an American war - with Canadian tax dollars being pumped down the drain, and soldiers being brought home in body bags for a lost American cause. They wouldn't be in their economic mess if it wasn't for their two ill minded wars. Edited February 7, 2010 by William Ashley Quote I was here.
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 7, 2010 Report Posted February 7, 2010 .... I think NAFTA should be dropped and huge tarrifs levied against US goods and high US based export tarrifs so they can get their resources at mark ups while Canada sells its goods to china. Good riddance to self serving bastards. Not going to happen except for "abbrogate NAFTA" campaign slogans. Hell, Canada even imports it anti-American rhetoric....from America! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
William Ashley Posted February 7, 2010 Report Posted February 7, 2010 (edited) Not going to happen except for "abbrogate NAFTA" campaign slogans. Hell, Canada even imports it anti-American rhetoric....from America! US seems to do it all the time, with softwood and buy america, maybe Canada should do the same. I'm with the municipalities to hell with America. Shame be to harper if he signs treaties forcing Canadians to buy American. It is a double slap in the face to Canadians, first being locked out in the US and now being forced to buy there. BOOO end the idiocy. To hell with Canada being the only free country - CANADA deserves equal trade.. something the US isn't giving. Down with the American scum breaching treaties at the expense of their so said ally. Edited February 7, 2010 by William Ashley Quote I was here.
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 7, 2010 Report Posted February 7, 2010 US seems to do it all the time, with softwood and buy america, maybe Canada should do the same. I'm with the municipalities to hell with America. Good luck with that....80% of Canada's exports go to the American bastards. To hell with Canada being the only free country - CANADA deserves equal trade.. something the US isn't giving. Canada deserves even more foreign investment. Down with the American scum breaching treaties at the expense of their so said ally. OK...no Super Bowl for you. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
jbg Posted February 7, 2010 Report Posted February 7, 2010 I'm really glad to hear this. This type of protectionism was something I was very afraid would happen after Americans elected so many leftwing politicians over the last couple of years. I myself would like to see these provisions read like factory warrantees, i.e. "U.S. and Canada". Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
William Ashley Posted February 7, 2010 Report Posted February 7, 2010 (edited) Good luck with that....80% of Canada's exports go to the American bastards. Although utlra rich I doubt the house of representaives and us senate buy 80% of Canadian exports. It is an oligarchy not a mass. It represents a portion of Americas views, and sometimes not even the majority. Canada deserves even more foreign investment. The wrong kind of foreign investment is ruining Canada - too much of its product is America, and too many busiensses are beating out domestic markets. The direct effects are beneficial but the long term effects are not. I am not someone in favor of protectionism but I am in favor of favoritism and insuring local essential services and products such as agriculture and building materials are able to be met by domestic product. Canada has vast resources, so utilization of foreign markets for resources, or primary products is absurd. The US is not so abundant in this same field though - and there are some markets that will utilize Canadian material to produce primary product - this is what by america excludes - it creates waste - and looses efficiency for localized short term effect. It is far better for Americans to buy finished product that set up industries that rely on foriegn product, it puts American industry at the whim of foreign states. Basiccally it is developement of the american economy that doens't support efficiency, meaning another set up for decline when external forces pressure local american markets. Frankly it was a bad measure, and it was multiple treaty violations to introduce those measures. OK...no Super Bowl for you. I enjoy playing not watching - waste of time to watch a sport. Also I've decided long ago to spend my time in Latin America instead of the US after being denied entry on false grounds multiple times. I was deprived of collecting a purchase of a boat, on lies from CBP stating I intended on illegally staying in the US and that I didn't have ties to Canada. Total BS. I have 0 trust in the US to be honorable, so it is about time that Canadians woke up and stopped helping them. It is time for Canada to invest in itself rather than a country that will back stab, lie, cheat and steal to promote its own security at the compromise of an ally. They are scum. Edited February 7, 2010 by William Ashley Quote I was here.
jbg Posted February 7, 2010 Report Posted February 7, 2010 Personally I think NAFTA should be dropped and huge tarrifs levied against US goods and high US based export tarrifs so they can get their resources at mark ups while Canada sells its goods to china. Good riddance to self serving bastards.Excuse me sir. A lot of both countries' prosperity is due to the mutual interrlationships and the lack of need to defend the border. Are you not swift enough to realize that? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
William Ashley Posted February 7, 2010 Report Posted February 7, 2010 (edited) Excuse me sir. A lot of both countries' prosperity is due to the mutual interrlationships Such as? and the lack of need to defend the border. You are lacking, do you know how much money is spent on border defence in the US and Canada? It isn't an "undefended border" they have planes, drones, helicopters including state of the art apache's, land forces, assault weapons and handguns. On our side of the border there are numerous expenditures for paramilitary defence and armourment of border guards. The undefended border thing is a myth. Are you not swift enough to realize that? You are the one who seems lacking especially when the security back allow militarization of our border by foreign forces within 100km of the border. You are the one is is lacking the awareness on these issues. They have military patrols of the borders in the US. Canada won't even let our veterans patrol. Edited February 7, 2010 by William Ashley Quote I was here.
PIK Posted February 9, 2010 Author Report Posted February 9, 2010 (edited) Not going to happen except for "abbrogate NAFTA" campaign slogans. Hell, Canada even imports it anti-American rhetoric....from America! Funny thing ,when people accuse Harper of being a bush lite where his goverment is closer to the dem party then the repubs, but hey don't let facts get in the way.LOL Edited February 9, 2010 by PIK Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Topaz Posted February 10, 2010 Report Posted February 10, 2010 Harper has "harmonized" our military with US for the Afg. war, wants to harmonize our environment with the US, now we are harmonizing our jobs with the US, just wait, Im sure the announcement of harmonizing the border or even getting rid of it to save money isn't far behind, along with harmonizing our citizenships! Just watch the word "harmonizing" is used with the US by this government. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 10, 2010 Report Posted February 10, 2010 Harper has "harmonized" our military with US for the Afg. war, wants to harmonize our environment with the US, now we are harmonizing our jobs with the US, just wait, Im sure the announcement of harmonizing the border or even getting rid of it to save money isn't far behind, along with harmonizing our citizenships! Just watch the word "harmonizing" is used with the US by this government. PM Harper did not give you NORAD or NAFTA....was that "harmonizing"? How about "NERC"...management of our NA electricity grids? Did Harper "harmonize" on 120VAC @ 60 Hz too? Maybe PM Harper "harmonized" time zones, such a busy "harmonizing" lad he be. Maybe he even "harmonized" Facebook and Youtube for Canadians all by himself! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
PIK Posted February 10, 2010 Author Report Posted February 10, 2010 US seems to do it all the time, with softwood and buy america, maybe Canada should do the same. I'm with the municipalities to hell with America. Shame be to harper if he signs treaties forcing Canadians to buy American. It is a double slap in the face to Canadians, first being locked out in the US and now being forced to buy there. BOOO end the idiocy. To hell with Canada being the only free country - CANADA deserves equal trade.. something the US isn't giving. Down with the American scum breaching treaties at the expense of their so said ally. So are you saying we should act the same way as the americans ,even if it means our economy gets hurt? This protectionism is what kept the depression going another 5 years . And a big reason the americans are changing is they depleted their stocks and can't get anything done (IMO). And are we supposed to do what cali did and dig up canadian made pipe and replace it with american made pipe, do you want us to look as stupid as them. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
jbg Posted February 11, 2010 Report Posted February 11, 2010 Harper has "harmonized" our military with US for the Afg. war, wants to harmonize our environment with the US, now we are harmonizing our jobs with the US, just wait, Im sure the announcement of harmonizing the border or even getting rid of it to save money isn't far behind, along with harmonizing our citizenships! Just watch the word "harmonizing" is used with the US by this government. Similar to "harmonizing" the sales tax? I thought that was to make retail customers sing in harmony. As far as "harmonizing" the border, not a bad idea. There are far fewer sea and air-ports than potential border crossings than potentially unlimited land crossings. Thus, when you come into the U.S. or into Canada, you could come into both countries. There's no necessity to compromise either countries' independence to do this, and have a 100 km./hour border crossing. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
eyeball Posted February 11, 2010 Report Posted February 11, 2010 (edited) Similar to "harmonizing" the sales tax? I thought that was to make retail customers sing in harmony. As far as "harmonizing" the border, not a bad idea. There are far fewer sea and air-ports than potential border crossings than potentially unlimited land crossings. Thus, when you come into the U.S. or into Canada, you could come into both countries. There's no necessity to compromise either countries' independence to do this, and have a 100 km./hour border crossing. 100 km/per hour border crossings will mean a flood of illegal hand guns entering into Canada. No thanks. Without U.S. border paranoia we might in fact have a far worse problem with hand-gun related crime in Canada. Edited February 11, 2010 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
ToadBrother Posted February 11, 2010 Report Posted February 11, 2010 100 km/per hour border crossings will mean a flood of illegal hand guns entering into Canada. No thanks. Without U.S. border paranoia we might in fact have a far worse problem with hand-gun related crime in Canada. Yeah, it's not like Canada has any major economic reliance on the US. Besides, my understanding is that most handguns aren't passing through the border crossings anyways. Quote
Winnipegger Posted February 11, 2010 Report Posted February 11, 2010 This deal comes when only 2 weeks remain gain access to U.S. stimulus spending, more of the U.S. stimulus money is spent, but it gives U.S. firms permanent access to Canadian stimulus spending, including access to provincial and municipal projects. We get practically nothing from them, they get permanent access to us. Why would any Canadian negotiator agree to this? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 11, 2010 Report Posted February 11, 2010 Yeah, it's not like Canada has any major economic reliance on the US. Agreed...we call it the Guns for Dope Program....GDP. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 11, 2010 Report Posted February 11, 2010 I was deprived of collecting a purchase of a boat, on lies from CBP stating I intended on illegally staying in the US and that I didn't have ties to Canada. Total BS. I have 0 trust in the US to be honorable, so it is about time that Canadians woke up and stopped helping them. It is time for Canada to invest in itself rather than a country that will back stab, lie, cheat and steal to promote its own security at the compromise of an ally. They are scum. This explains a lot....Hell hath no fury like a Canadian spurned at the US border. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Winnipegger Posted February 11, 2010 Report Posted February 11, 2010 The deal also excludes transit. Here in Winnipeg we have 2 major bus manufacturers: New Flyer makes city transit busses, while MCI makes intercity busses, eg Greyhound. New Flyer has had a problem for years that American cities will not buy Canadian built busses, so openned a facility in North Dakota to do just enough finishing work to claim to be American. This means jobs lost to the States. This is a blatant violation of the NAFTA. Now this "Buy American" deal exludes transit, so we continue to have this problem. Bombardier openned a plant in New York to build subway cars; again losing Canadian jobs to the States. This is a bad deal. Quote
William Ashley Posted February 11, 2010 Report Posted February 11, 2010 (edited) So are you saying we should act the same way as the americans ,even if it means our economy gets hurt? This protectionism is what kept the depression going another 5 years . And a big reason the americans are changing is they depleted their stocks and can't get anything done (IMO). And are we supposed to do what cali did and dig up canadian made pipe and replace it with american made pipe, do you want us to look as stupid as them. Exports can be weened, but import tarrifs and export restrictions where there is demand from Canadian industries can be zealously pursued. Also restricting American Ownership of Canadian companies to a minority stake, and only giving exploration rights and extraction rights to Canadian Companies would be in Canadian interest. American companies are asserting too much influence in Canada, and hurting Canadian interests by doing so, in part. Canadian business should primarily be for Canadians not Americans - we should be concerned with domestic production - stockpiling of strategic resources, and export of high priced commodities with high yeild return only. Perishable resources however should be expended if there are no domestic uses. Localization of economy is efficient. While some American business and activities once incorporated in Canada would be OK - Canadian companies should not be owned by foreign parent companies. Canadian Boards of directors ought to have Canadian citiziens or perhaps it could be extended to residents also - if they are immigrants with a vested interest such as business class immigration or obtain permission by CIC and Industry Canada to conduct business in Canada - while minority stock ownership should be allowed, a majority of Canadian companies should be owned by Canadians - and the board needs to domicile in Canada so they can be held more legally responsible for acts of the company. We don't need companies from other countries -exploiting Canada destroying the environment and polluting hurting the health of our citizens and leaving us on the hook - that is why we need Canadians to control business in Canada - not US demand. The depression is due to people not being employed, not due to the inability to create work for people. The government just isn't managing the economy effectively and leaving it to private interests. The projects the government are doing are mostly short term building projects, not long term employment generating, so any employment through those programs is only short term, which is the long approach. The government needs to create jobs and income streams for the government, but the Conservatives aren't willing to make a fiscally healthy country - because they only beleive in debt and taxes to pay for things. What is it that Canada can't build itself with its resources - finished goods have a higher yield return than raw materials.. lets get robotics and processing plants, refineries etc.. going, and export high priced goods rather than giving all the return to foreigners. CANADA FIRST! Edited February 13, 2010 by William Ashley Quote I was here.
eyeball Posted February 11, 2010 Report Posted February 11, 2010 This deal comes when only 2 weeks remain gain access to U.S. stimulus spending, more of the U.S. stimulus money is spent, but it gives U.S. firms permanent access to Canadian stimulus spending, including access to provincial and municipal projects. We get practically nothing from them, they get permanent access to us. Why would any Canadian negotiator agree to this? This forum probably provides a clue, why would any Canadian negotiator ask for any more than is necessary to satisfy Harper's base of support? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
jbg Posted February 14, 2010 Report Posted February 14, 2010 Exports can be weened, but import tarrifs and export restrictions where there is demand from Canadian industries can be zealously pursued. Also restricting American Ownership of Canadian companies to a minority stake, and only giving exploration rights and extraction rights to Canadian Companies would be in Canadian interest. American companies are asserting too much influence in Canada, and hurting Canadian interests by doing so, in part. Canadian business should primarily be for Canadians not Americans - we should be concerned with domestic production - stockpiling of strategic resources, and export of high priced commodities with high yeild return only. Perishable resources however should be expended if there are no domestic uses. *********** CANADA FIRST! You described the NEP to a tee. And why Mulroney got a thumping majority when elected. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Jerry J. Fortin Posted February 14, 2010 Report Posted February 14, 2010 You described the NEP to a tee. And why Mulroney got a thumping majority when elected. While in opposition he was against free trade. Turner looked into it and changed his tune. He fought and lost the election to the PC's over the issue. From that day forward we have become more dependent upon the US than we were to start with. Foreign ownership of damned near everything is up. A great business environment was created, however it was not in the best interest of this nation by a long shot. Quote
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