Chavez: US Weapon Test Caused Haiti Earthquake

Shady · January 21, 2010

Russia Today: Venezuelan leader Hugo Chavez has once again accused the United States of playing God. But this time it's Haiti's disastrous earthquake that he thinks the U.S. was behind. Spanish newspaper ABC quotes Chavez as saying that the U.S. navy launched a weapon capable of inducing a powerful earthquake off the shore of Haiti. He adds that this time it was only a drill and the final target is ... destroying and taking over Iran.

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Quick Hugobots, defend your hero! :lol:

Wilber · January 21, 2010

No takers?

Amazing, all those years of underground nuclear testing without ever inducing an earthquake. Now they can do it without anyone being able to detect the cause. According to Hugo.

bjre · January 21, 2010

Published on Thursday, January 14, 2010 by CommonDreams.org

Haitian Earthquake: Made in the USA

Why the Blood Is on Our Hands

by Ted Rall

As grim accounts of the earthquake in Haiti came in, the accounts in U.S.-controlled state media all carried the same descriptive sentence: "Haiti is the poorest country in the Western hemisphere..."

Gee, I wonder how that happened?

You'd think Haiti would be loaded. After all, it made a lot of people rich.

How did Haiti get so poor? Despite a century of American colonialism, occupation, and propping up corrupt dictators? Even though the CIA staged coups d'état against every democratically elected president they ever had?

It's an important question. An earthquake isn't just an earthquake. The same 7.0 tremor hitting San Francisco wouldn't kill nearly as many people as in Port-au-Prince.

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GostHacked · January 22, 2010

It's an important question. An earthquake isn't just an earthquake. The same 7.0 tremor hitting San Francisco wouldn't kill nearly as many people as in Port-au-Prince.

If there was some nuke involved, there should be quite the radiation signature and a distinct shockwave pattern that is unique to nuclear explosions. That would show up in the data from siesmic detecting facilities.

Also, LA/SAN FRAN had a huge quake back in 89. The reason so few were killed, better building codes and the economy to support that. California is on a fault line, and a huge one. They have had many quakes, but there are things in place that severly reduce the damage to property and loss of life.

And time will tell. Iran has had one devestating earthquake recently. So I'll play the wait and see game.

Lumpy · January 22, 2010

Wow, this goes beyond even Hugo's standard bluster. Of course he's got no *evidence* or anything, but that never stopped him before. So now according to him the US is not only occupying Haiti, but the pretext for said occupation was their doing. Oh, how diabolical!

I was kind of curious to see who got the blame for this one first: America or "the Zionists". Someone was bound to point the crazy finger at one of them sooner or later.

Something else occurred to me: if in some fantasy world the US was really mighty enough to harness the power of earthquakes, then Chavez would be wise to keep his mouth shut.

DogOnPorch · January 22, 2010

Something else occurred to me: if in some fantasy world the US was really mighty enough to harness the power of earthquakes, then Chavez would be wise to keep his mouth shut.

You have a good point there.

Chavez is kookoo.

ToadBrother · January 22, 2010

If there was some nuke involved, there should be quite the radiation signature and a distinct shockwave pattern that is unique to nuclear explosions. That would show up in the data from siesmic detecting facilities.

An underground test would not likely leave much radiation above ground. However, you are right that it would be rather obvious to a seismologist (we knew about the Soviet tests from seismic data).

GostHacked · January 22, 2010

An underground test would not likely leave much radiation above ground. However, you are right that it would be rather obvious to a seismologist (we knew about the Soviet tests from seismic data).

Would there be a large enough EMP generate by the blast to render electronic equipment dead? We could also use that to test this theory.

DogOnPorch · January 22, 2010

Would there be a large enough EMP generate by the blast to render electronic equipment dead? We could also use that to test this theory.

(Useful) EMPs require high altitude detonations of atomic devices.

Edited January 22, 2010 by DogOnPorch

GostHacked · January 22, 2010

(Useful) EMPs require high altitude detonations of atomic devices.

I thought by nature EMPs are a result of a nuclear explosion? Air specifically?

DogOnPorch · January 22, 2010

I thought by nature EMPs are a result of a nuclear explosion? Air specifically?

Interaction with the Earth's magnetic field magnifies the pulse flux. Around 400km up seems to be the sweetest spot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starfish_Prime

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_K_Project

DogOnPorch · January 22, 2010

Published on Thursday, January 14, 2010 by CommonDreams.org

Haitian Earthquake: Made in the USA

Why the Blood Is on Our Hands

by Ted Rall

As grim accounts of the earthquake in Haiti came in, the accounts in U.S.-controlled state media all carried the same descriptive sentence: "Haiti is the poorest country in the Western hemisphere..."

Gee, I wonder how that happened?

You'd think Haiti would be loaded. After all, it made a lot of people rich.

How did Haiti get so poor?
Despite a century of American colonialism, occupation, and propping up corrupt dictators? Even though the CIA staged coups d'état against every democratically elected president they ever had?

It's an important question. An earthquake isn't just an earthquake. The same 7.0 tremor hitting San Francisco wouldn't kill nearly as many people as in Port-au-Prince.

......

It's easy to blame it all on the Americans, but a good chunk of why Haiti isn't a tropical paradise is due to other factors like Simone Bolivar not including them in his plans for pan-Caribean economic/military unity under one republic...non-Spainish rebels need not apply. This despite Haiti's military aid in his campaign to take Venezuela.

Also, continous internal armed struggle/revolts/assassinations kept Haiti on the edge of bankruptcy. Slaughtering all the remaing whites in Haiti post revolution (save some Poles) didn't make too many friends, either.

Edited January 22, 2010 by DogOnPorch

Argus · January 23, 2010

Chavez turning to Hitler's old tricks?

No, the enemy he needs should be remote but omnipresent, one who can be represented as powerful but who cannot in fact hit back. Who does that sound like? Hmmmmm ... Oh yes! That favourite reliable standby of thugs and dictators everywhere.

And so the airwaves fill with attacks on “criminal Zionists” and the country’s walls are suddenly daubed with slogans like this which I saw yesterday under a spraypainted Star of David: “The Jews are the cause of all our misery.”

Venezuala Falls back on a Reliable Scapegoat

kimmy · January 23, 2010

An underground test would not likely leave much radiation above ground. However, you are right that it would be rather obvious to a seismologist (we knew about the Soviet tests from seismic data).

Even if we assume that a nuclear device detonated deep underground could have caused the earthquake... how would it have been delivered? Has President Obama enlisted The Mole People??

-k

bush_cheney2004 · January 23, 2010

Even if we assume that a nuclear device detonated deep underground could have caused the earthquake... how would it have been delivered? Has President Obama enlisted The Mole People??

The US Army Corps of Engineers has a fleet of Valley Forge Class tunnel boring machines (TBM) designed to delivery recycled Cold War thermonuclear warheads to anywhere on the planet. Right before detonation, it is traditional to play Carole King's "I Feel The Earth Move".

DogOnPorch · January 26, 2010

The US Army Corps of Engineers has a fleet of Valley Forge Class tunnel boring machines (TBM) designed to delivery recycled Cold War thermonuclear warheads to anywhere on the planet. Right before detonation, it is traditional to play Carole King's "I Feel The Earth Move".

...your mission, 007, is to find these machines and redirect them away from the West Indies and towards SPECTRE headquarters.

Oleg Bach · January 26, 2010

No takers?

Amazing, all those years of underground nuclear testing without ever inducing an earthquake. Now they can do it without anyone being able to detect the cause. According to Hugo.

All is possbible these days. Is it possible to set of a type of platonic underseas landslide with a nuclear device? It is possible I am sure but not probable..They would not waste a good nuke on Haiti..the powers that be are to cheap.

DogOnPorch · January 26, 2010

All is possbible these days. Is it possible to set of a type of platonic underseas landslide with a nuclear device? It is possible I am sure but not probable..They would not waste a good nuke on Haiti..the powers that be are to cheap.

Sure it is possible to cause an earthquake with a very large atomic weapon or a variety of other methods*. But, we can tell when an A-Bomb/H-Bomb goes off. Plus, we know exactly where the quake occured: 13km below the ocean floor, 15km WSW of Port-au-Prince. That's BELOW the ocean floor. Chavez apparently knows something 1000s of scientists/military specialists/assorted others don't know.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qp6aZIhHiRE

Man made earthquake during an Alaskan nuclear test.

* If you recall, the 2008 Sichuan earthquake had a suspected human cause related to a near-by dam project that apparently allowed water to fluctuate the pressure along a fault running through the area.

naomiglover · January 26, 2010

Sure it is possible to cause an earthquake with a very large atomic weapon or a variety of other methods*. But, we can tell when an A-Bomb/H-Bomb goes off. Plus, we know exactly where the quake occured: 13km below the ocean floor, 15km WSW of Port-au-Prince. That's BELOW the ocean floor.

13km below ocean floor or below sea level?

DogOnPorch · January 26, 2010

13km below ocean floor or below sea level?

It's now narrowed down to here. Still 13km down. Pretty hard to get your James Bond tunnel boring machines to that location. Are you saying you believe Chavez?

g_bambino · January 26, 2010

I was kind of curious to see who got the blame for this one first: America or "the Zionists".

Don't forget

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naomiglover · January 27, 2010

It's now narrowed down to here. Still 13km down.

There is a big difference between 13KM below sea level and 13KM below ocean floor. So despite your vague reply to my question, I'm assuming that you are admitting that you made an error when you said 13KM below the ocean floor.

Pretty hard to get your James Bond tunnel boring machines to that location.

I don't know how deep the ocean is where the earthquake happened, but oceans can become quite deep. Well over 13km deep. There are submarines that can go well below 13KM below sea level.

Are you saying you believe Chavez?

I was just pointing out the big error in your comment. I believe it is possible to pull off a nuclear explosion under the water, however, I wouldn't put my money on it. It is most likely just an earthquake.

DogOnPorch · January 27, 2010

There is a big difference between 13KM below sea level and 13KM below ocean floor. So despite your vague reply to my question, I'm assuming that you are admitting that you made an error when you said 13KM below the ocean floor.

Nope. Initial reports had the quake centred just off the coast near Leogane. The water there is under 500m deep.

I don't know how deep the ocean is where the earthquake happened, but oceans can become quite deep. Well over 13km deep. There are submarines that can go well below 13KM below sea level.

The quake happened on land, turns out. Right were dozens of quakes have been reported over the years. No ocean on Earth is 13km deep. The Trieste made it to 10km in the Marianas Trench.

I was just pointing out the big error in your comment. I believe it is possible to pull off a nuclear explosion under the water, however, I wouldn't put my money on it. It is most likely just an earthquake.

Of course it was an earthquake. Just no dirty Zionists to blame it on. Big error...lol. How deep is your ocean? Go back to your Jew bashing threads.

Edited January 27, 2010 by DogOnPorch

naomiglover · January 27, 2010

Nope. Initial reports had the quake centred just off the coast near Leogane. The water there is under 500m deep.

The quake happened on land, turns out. Right were dozens of quakes have been reported over the years. No ocean on Earth is 13km deep. The Trieste made it to 10km in the Marianas Trench.

Okay. Then it's impossible.