Long delays at US airports for security

[Oleg Bach]

God wanted us to fly he would have given us wings - Flying is not a right or a privledge. It is an astounding and miraculous luxury..we don't need to be flying all over the planet constantly. The skys are so full of air craft that is obscene. Imagine the billions of tons of fuel blowing out into the atmosphere yearly. The global warmning crowd fails to noticed that half of the crap in the air is generated by these huge air ships. The sky is not the ocean. I personally don't care if I ever fly again. Also it does not bother me if I never set foot outside my province ever again..as for the Americans and their over controlling attitude and paranoia...they can keep it to themselves..

.maybe if America tried to be nice and honest and good the terrorists lunitics would stay home and stay out of trouble...security and more of it is not the answer. Where will it end..will it mean that eventually all citizens domestic and introduced will sit under house arrest? I say admit to the fact that we are all prisoners anyway,,,,,, "Some times I think this whole world is just one big prison yard...some of us are prisoners and some of us are guards" - to para phrase Bob Dylan...who cares about all this controlling crap generated by an insidiously crimminal status quo.. not my problem...I did not screw half the planet and now have to look over my shoulder.

May as well relax and get use to the prison system. Lay back in your bunks and take up the harmonica.

[BubberMiley]

I'm not going to trouble myself to look but plenty of your posts have expressed deep contempt for my country.

I've only noticed your own contempt for your country. I think you have even implied your president is a muslim jew-hating terrorist.

[Oleg Bach]

I've only noticed your own contempt for your country. I think you have even implied your president is a muslim jew-hating terrorist.

That's a silly comment - The system is so complex internationally and domestically that it is simply unmanageable - Look at the main hall of these airports are people attempting to exercise their freedom of movement have their movement curtailed - These crowds at airports look like prisoners...now that is good management...lock em down! Don't blame this on any group..blame it on those that have bitten off more than they can chew and are now gagging on an over doze of freedom. Air travel is not a right. It's a fringin miracle...Now that aircraft are no more than dirty big buses in the sky maybe we had better look at the fact that just about any gangsterist can roll into town on the Greyhound... You wanted total freedom to roam all of the earth at will...well...you are going to have all sorts moving about - we did not have this problem when people traveled by ship - by the time the terrorist got to New York via boat he would probably fall in love and forget about blowing up anything - with fast travel comes the the shortage of time to re-think an evil thought.

[Wilber]

God wanted us to fly he would have given us wings

I guess you could apply that piece of drivel to just about anything more technical than wiping our backsides.

[Oleg Bach]

I guess you could apply that piece of drivel to just about anything more technical than wiping our backsides.

Knowing that the god and wings slogan was so old school that this bit of crap would bother you. And no - I will not be wiping your backside. I suppose the point was when modernity gets you to the point that it would be faster to walk to your destination than wait for the flight and fly - may as well walk then stay in some crowded airport - The ancients could walk from Judea to what is not Britian - it would take a couple of years but they would get there - now get walking fatso!

[Wilber]

Knowing that the god and wings slogan was so old school that this bit of crap would bother you. And no - I will not be wiping your backside. I suppose the point was when modernity gets you to the point that it would be faster to walk to your destination than wait for the flight and fly - may as well walk then stay in some crowded airport - The ancients could walk from Judea to what is not Britian - it would take a couple of years but they would get there - now get walking fatso!

Of course modernity has done nothing of the sort but don't let it get in the way of a good rant.

[wyly]

shoes bombs, water bottle bombs, underwear bombs, now with the new full body scans coming on line the only place left to conceal bombs will be internal...I can't wait until air travelers have to consent to a rectal exam before boarding flights to the USA, that should kill the airline industry completely(maybe that's the terrorists ultimate plan)...personally security precautions have already reached a point that I'll never fly to the USA, my wife after being racially profiled several times no longer wishes to return to the USA...

ultimately what do we do about this insanity where religious fanatics feel the need to kill innocents?...killing me a tourist who has no power to control foreign policy in the USA will not further their cause, it will only have the opposite effect...will we eventually reach a point where muslims are banned from flying?...

[bush_cheney2004]

....personally security precautions have already reached a point that I'll never fly to the USA, my wife after being racially profiled several times no longer wishes to return to the USA...

Your choice....stay out. We'll miss you.

ultimately what do we do about this insanity where religious fanatics feel the need to kill innocents?...killing me a tourist who has no power to control foreign policy in the USA will not further their cause, it will only have the opposite effect...will we eventually reach a point where muslims are banned from flying?...

No....only Muslims (or Christians or ....) with illegal intentions.

[Guest American Woman]

... my wife after being racially profiled several times no longer wishes to return to the USA...

I'm curious, if you don't mind explaining further, how was she racially profiled? ...what was she subjected to?

...will we eventually reach a point where muslims are banned from flying?...

It looks as if the U.S. is no longer concerned with being PC:

Foreign passengers flying into the United States from 14 mostly Muslim countries deemed to have links with terrorism face continuing heightened airport security checks ....

The US transportation security administration announced that everyone flying into the US from or through certain countries would go through "enhanced screening" at airports.

The list includes Nigeria [...] and Yemen....

The other "countries of interest" are Afghanistan, Algeria, Iraq, Lebanon, Libya, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Somalia, and four countries the US regards as state sponsors of terrorism: Cuba, Iran, Sudan and Syria.

link

Edited January 4, 2010 by American Woman

[Oleg Bach]

Of course modernity has done nothing of the sort but don't let it get in the way of a good rant.

You know me to well.

[wyly]

I'm curious, if you don't mind explaining further, how was she racially profiled? ...what was she subjected to?

pulled aside for a select search and interrogation which swas told was random but she was singled out with others like her (orientals)repeatedly and no whites...

It looks as if the U.S. is no longer concerned with being PC:

Foreign passengers flying into the United States from 14 mostly Muslim countries deemed to have links with terrorism face continuing heightened airport security checks ....

The US transportation security administration announced that everyone flying into the US from or through certain countries would go through "enhanced screening" at airports.

The list includes Nigeria [...] and Yemen....

The other "countries of interest" are Afghanistan, Algeria, Iraq, Lebanon, Libya, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Somalia, and four countries the US regards as state sponsors of terrorism: Cuba, Iran, Sudan and Syria.

then why not include the UK or has everyone forgotten where the foiled multiple plane bombing originated?

[Oleg Bach]

Not to give any lunitic any ideas but why bother with aircraft and the sabateurs on said air craft...Yes it's dramatic and all that because people fall from the sky..maybe the terrorist could simply start hitting bus drivers on the head and crashing the bus into some underpass - or maybe getting practical and slugging a cab driver who is carrying one infidel in the back seat along with a crazed Muslim...or maybe our Muslim friends who car pool to the office might just grab the wheel and send the car over a cliff? Or maybe the terrorists might just jump from the CN tower and hopefully land on a single infidel..may as well start small and work your way up - this airplane thing seems not to be working to well for them...and if they want to be heros and Muslim saints maybe they can go to the cancer ward in Lybia and watch the martyr take his last breath in great glory... this thing is tiresome....extremists and western civil authorities have all lost their minds!

[bush_cheney2004]

... this thing is tiresome....extremists and western civil authorities have all lost their minds!

Agreed...it has become Theatre of the Absurd....now we have Crotch Bombers.

[Oleg Bach]

Agreed...it has become Theatre of the Absurd....now we have Crotch Bombers.

What are they thinking - how you gonna get those 72 virgins if you blow your cock off? Yes BC I said if for you.

[bush_cheney2004]

What are they thinking - how you gonna get those 72 virgins if you blow your cock off? Yes BC I said if for you.

I was thinking of a different punchline....along the order of new meaning for "dropping a deuce".

Mythbusters should get on this right away using Buster's crotch.

[jbg]

I've only noticed your own contempt for your country. I think you have even implied your president is a muslim jew-hating terrorist.

No, I use the crossouts to emphasize that Obama is deeply patriotic.

[Guest American Woman]

pulled aside for a select search and interrogation which swas told was random but she was singled out with others like her (orientals)repeatedly and no whites...

I don't know where this happened, I'm assuming in the U.S.? At any rate, being a family of blue-eyed blondes, we are often 'singled out' for the pat-down, the body wand, carry on searches, my daughter was even recently selected for that body scan there's so much talk about lately, and that was a domestic flight before this failed NW attempt. We're obviously 'singled out' as proof that they aren't stereotyping, but we're singled out just the same. Not sure what you mean by "interrogation," though. I have to add, though, that many, many people go through security, and just because you didn't see any whites being selected, doesn't mean they weren't.

However, if your wife doesn't want to fly to the U.S. any more, that's her prerogative. Some people are bothered by the increased security and don't think it's worth it, others just take it in stride, while still others are annoyed, but ultimately 'accept' it as a necessity in order to get to where they want to go.

then why not include the UK or has everyone forgotten where the foiled multiple plane bombing originated?

A would-be terrorist's flight could be originating anywhere, to my way of thinking. The 9-11 attacks originated in the U.S., after all.

Seems as if Europe isn't complying with the increased security demands:

LONDON - Airline passengers bound for the United States faced a hodgepodge of security measures across the world yesterday, but most European airports did not appear to be following a new US demand for increased screening of passengers from 14 countries.

In addition, few if any changes in airline procedures were reported in the 14 countries named by the United States as security risks, although officials in Saudi Arabia said extra security personnel had been placed at the airport.link

The thing is, if Obama didn't demand increased security, he'd be criticized for "doing nothing," so doing nothing really isn't an option. I can see where the body scans would be effective, but the other measures likely wouldn't change much IMO.

[Oleg Bach]

BC put it clearly when he called this reaction world wide, the theatre of the absurd. In one corner we have a young rich black kid who is equipped with a croch bomb who now has not genitals to the other corner with full body scans where they want to see our genitals...when will this all end? To have such long delays at airports removes the whole purpose of rapid air travel...again I say lets bet back to walking.

[Argus]

It was probably a whole lot safer way back in 1952.

The blow-back from 1953 and pretty much ever since you mean. What else on Earth could motivate anyone to attack a Shining Beacon that is so gentle and kind?

I'm curious about why this so-called 'blowback' hasn't affected nations like Russia or China which have been just as heavily involved as the US in interfering in third world countries affairs, in supporting guerrila and terrorist movements, and in undermining either governments or opposition movements. The Chinese are quite active right now in a variety of third world nations in efforts at securing resources - at any cost, and no one seems to be making any efforts to blow up their airplanes or buildings.

[Argus]

It looks as if the U.S. is no longer concerned with being PC:

Foreign passengers flying into the United States from 14 mostly Muslim countries deemed to have links with terrorism face continuing heightened airport security checks ....

Ah, but they're not profiling Muslims, you see, but "problem areas". It's based entirely on geography!

Maragaret Wente in today's Globe, basically calls for profiling.

Some societies (such as Israel) build walls to keep the killers out. If this involves a certain collective punishment of the killers' neighbours, they figure, then so be it. Ours must be the first society in history that has tried to stop the killers by imposing collective punishment on ourselves.

How did we arrive at this absurd impasse? Because of our elaborately overdeveloped concern for human rights, combined with our towering fear of the hurt feelings of Muslims. If everyone is equal, then differential treatment must be racist, which is why we have decided that your grandma from Moose Jaw gets the same pat-down as a devout young male Muslim from Nigeria who did a recent stint at a religious school in Yemen.

Security Theatre of the Absurd

Edited January 5, 2010 by Argus

[Oleg Bach]

Did no one notice that Bush was absurd? Did no one notice that Obama is another absurdity? Did no one notice or bother telling the Muslim extremists that killing in the name of God is actually calling the all mighty weak and in need of murderous help - that in itself is absurd..so is the actions of western leaders who function with in the crippling confines of fear combined with guilt. People should look apoun the absurd for what it is and stop being afraid..terrorism only effects cowards and hateful emotional nutbars.

[Oleg Bach]

HERE IS WHAT IS TOTALLY ABSURD! We have one spoiled brat bankers son sitting in an American jail who in effect now infected all of and in control of all western media. This is much like the Bin Laden phenomena where another spoiled rich kid twit makes the world dance like clowns. That is the height of absurdity. It is much like a spoiled brat of a child controling a household.

[jbg]

I'm curious about why this so-called 'blowback' hasn't affected nations like Russia or China which have been just as heavily involved as the US in interfering in third world countries affairs, in supporting guerrila and terrorist movements, and in undermining either governments or opposition movements. The Chinese are quite active right now in a variety of third world nations in efforts at securing resources - at any cost, and no one seems to be making any efforts to blow up their airplanes or buildings.

Good questions.

The reason probably is that China's and Russia's intelligence services would have no compunction in assassinating or beating the cr*p out of Third World leaders or their in-country allies. If someone slammed a plane into some vital structure in China, the people responsible for putting the suicide jockeys up to the task would meet a response unhampered by CBC or New York Times information requests.

[Oleg Bach]

If someone slammed a plane into a vital structure in China - Their authorities would execute every last member of every last family member - then they would torture thousands that had even a remote connection to the offenders..just like America.

[maple_leafs182]

If someone slammed a plane into a vital structure in China - Their authorities would execute every last member of every last family member - then they would torture thousands that had even a remote connection to the offenders..just like America.

nicely said.