Tories have massive lead in polls!

[Mr.Canada]

Question was - If vote was held tomorrow which party would you vote for...Sept 30 - Oct.6/ 2009.

Tories - 39.7

Liberals - 25.7

NDP - 15.2

Green - 9.7

EKOS president Frank Graves said the Liberals have lost ground with voters in traditional strongholds, including in Toronto and among women, university graduates, visible minorities and recent immigrants.

"Even visible minorities and recent immigrants who were like almost an automatic vote for the Liberals, have shifted," said Graves.

The percentage of respondents who disapproved of the way Ignatieff is handling his job was 51 per cent, up from 38 per cent in August.

Ignatieff's approval rating was 19 per cent, down from 29 per cent two months ago.

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I am proven right again as I said earlier. the longer the Liberals go and the more Ignatieff speaks the lower his numbers will go. This man is a dead and lame duck leader. Bring the government down Liberals, NDP and Bloc we dare you. You'd be handing Harper his majority.

Ignatieff has a 19% approval rating. That must be lower than Dion. 51% disapprove of the way he's handling the Liberal leadership! Yeah the Liberal party is behind him all right, behind him pushing him down the stairs.

His numbers are lower then Dions and dropping even more by the day. The Tories are eating into the Liberal base now. Even immigrants and women are disgusted by this new Liberal party.

C'mon Ignatieff, how low can you go sir?

The Liberals have no choice but to stick with Ignatieff. It's a done deal Harper will have his majority when ever the next election is for sure and with a Tory controlled Senate in January 2010 things are looking mighty rosy indeed. All Harper needs to do is muzzle his caucus with few slip ups as he' s done and let Ignatieff sink himself.

Hopefully people will listen to me now when I say that the Tories are going to win more seats in the 905 and will win seats in the 416.

[scribblet]

A lot lower until they replace him - but with who... Bob Rae would be better but he still has that Ontario baggage ! Too bad the NDP did what they did.

[Dave_ON]

I am proven right again as I said earlier. the longer the Liberals go and the more Ignatieff speaks the lower his numbers will go. This man is a dead and lame duck leader. Bring the government down Liberals, NDP and Bloc we dare you. You'd be handing Harper his majority.

Ignatieff has a 19% approval rating. That must be lower than Dion. 51% disapprove of the way he's handling the Liberal leadership! Yeah the Liberal party is behind him all right, behind him pushing him down the stairs.

His numbers are lower then Dions and dropping even more by the day. The Tories are eating into the Liberal base now. Even immigrants and women are disgusted by this new Liberal party.

C'mon Ignatieff, how low can you go sir?

The Liberals have no choice but to stick with Ignatieff. It's a done deal Harper will have his majority when ever the next election is for sure and with a Tory controlled Senate in January 2010 things are looking mighty rosy indeed. All Harper needs to do is muzzle his caucus with few slip ups as he' s done and let Ignatieff sink himself.

Hopefully people will listen to me now when I say that the Tories are going to win more seats in the 905 and will win seats in the 416.

It's a little too soon to be calling a CPC majority at this time with no election in site. Let's face it I'm sure Mr. Harper is kicking himself right now for throwing the NDP a bone, considering his current numbers. However he can't possibly call an election until the New Year and likely the spring at that if not into the Fall of 2010. A lot can happen in that short time, and political fortunes change rather quickly.

There have been rumblings that the CPC is looking at increasing Income/Payroll taxes, that's never a popular move regardless of how necessary it may be. Also these wonderful EI changes have to be paid for somehow, which will likely mean an increase in EI premiums. How quickly we forget the good when the tax man commeth.

[Mr.Canada]

It's a little too soon to be calling a CPC majority at this time with no election in site. Let's face it I'm sure Mr. Harper is kicking himself right now for throwing the NDP a bone, considering his current numbers. However he can't possibly call an election until the New Year and likely the spring at that if not into the Fall of 2010. A lot can happen in that short time, and political fortunes change rather quickly.

There have been rumblings that the CPC is looking at increasing Income/Payroll taxes, that's never a popular move regardless of how necessary it may be. Also these wonderful EI changes have to be paid for somehow, which will likely mean an increase in EI premiums. How quickly we forget the good when the tax man commeth.

I see no sign of the Ignatieff free fall slowing down at all. If Harper has made it t o the Olympics without an election then the Liberal numbers will drop even more. This will be due to all the god feeling surrounding the Olympics and the record haul of medals Canada will retain this Olympics. The country will be on a high and giddy with patriotism and will throw their undying support behind the man who made it all possible, PM Harper. I'm looking at numbers in the low to mid forties after the Olympics...42-44% support for the Tories. Then it will be time for an election and the Tory majority.

[myata]

Do we really need a new thread for each new poll that's come out? Am I the only one to think that some of these threads are clattering the forum?

[Dave_ON]

I see no sign of the Ignatieff free fall slowing down at all. If Harper has made it t o the Olympics without an election then the Liberal numbers will drop even more. This will be due to all the god feeling surrounding the Olympics and the record haul of medals Canada will retain this Olympics. The country will be on a high and giddy with patriotism and will throw their undying support behind the man who made it all possible, PM Harper. I'm looking at numbers in the low to mid forties after the Olympics...42-44% support for the Tories. Then it will be time for an election and the Tory majority.

Income tax and EI premium hikes will quickly deflate any post olympic glow and the CPC's numbers with it. I sincerely doubt Harper would call and election prior to Fall 2010, not with the jobless rate continuing to climb with no sign of stopping until this time next year. Like I said, far too soon to call it, we'll have to wait and see what the fall brings us.

[Mr.Canada]

Income tax and EI premium hikes will quickly deflate any post Olympic glow and the CPC's numbers with it. I sincerely doubt Harper would call and election prior to Fall 2010, not with the jobless rate continuing to climb with no sign of stopping until this time next year. Like I said, far too soon to call it, we'll have to wait and see what the fall brings us.

Ignatieff has said over and over again that he wants to bring down the government asap so PM Harper will not have to call it at all. Ignatieff is going to do it for him, as he keeps saying The Liberals "do not have confidence in this government". So I sexpect them to continue to try to bring down Pm Harper and his Tories.

[waldo]

Do we really need a new thread for each new poll that's come out? Am I the only one to think that some of these threads are clattering the forum?

considering the same poll is being discussed in the actual thread for political polls... but that won't necessarily stop the zeal/partisanship/bromance certain individuals have

[Mr.Canada]

The mods may merge the threads if they wish to do so. This was such breaking news I thought it deemed it's own thread.

Even though the collapse of the LPC has been going on for a few months it's really been picking up steam lately with a pronounced drop.

The polls for Ignatieff are the lowest since Dion in last election, in fact the numbers are even lower than DIons and the Liberals led by Ignatieff stand to lose seats, especially in Toronto.

Immigrants and women are abandoning the Liberal Party once thought to be automatic votes for the once massive Liberal machine. No longer the case.

This is big news for Fortress Toronto!

[Keepitsimple]

It's a little too soon to be calling a CPC majority at this time with no election in site. Let's face it I'm sure Mr. Harper is kicking himself right now for throwing the NDP a bone, considering his current numbers. However he can't possibly call an election until the New Year and likely the spring at that if not into the Fall of 2010. A lot can happen in that short time, and political fortunes change rather quickly.

There have been rumblings that the CPC is looking at increasing Income/Payroll taxes, that's never a popular move regardless of how necessary it may be. Also these wonderful EI changes have to be paid for somehow, which will likely mean an increase in EI premiums. How quickly we forget the good when the tax man commeth.

In conjunction with Mr. Ignatieff's sputterings about an election, "throwing a bone" to the NDP is part of the reason why the Conservativesare up. While Ignatieff is making himself llok bad all by himself, the Conservatives (with the bone) are appearing like they are trying to govern.

Even though Liberals are frothing at an opportunity to make hay on EI Payroll taxes, if the only increase is tied directly to EI - after two years of being frozen - I think Canadians can accept that it's a worthwhile investment. Conservatives also want to stop EI from going into general revenues and make it a self-balancing system that is run at arms-length.

Income taxes on the other hand are always perceived negatively because they just go into general revenues and nobody can actually see where the money is being spent. We have to take the government's word.....and Liberal or Conservative or NDP - I'd be pretty leery.

[waldo]

.....and Liberal or Conservative or NDP - I'd be pretty leery.

which does give pause... should give pause... to anyone accepting that the deficit will be reduced/eliminated without an increase in taxation - particularly, in this case, whether the Conservatives refuse to call EI payroll deductions a "tax increase".

as for snapshot polls and certain individuals zeal/partisanship/bromance... polls go up - polls go down - and campaigns do matter.

[Topaz]

Do we really need a new thread for each new poll that's come out? Am I the only one to think that some of these threads are clattering the forum?

I agree, its callled the extension of the tory war room.....the spin doctors!

[Topaz]

There's at least two areas the Tories are weak, the jobs and the environment. Harper would sell his country than bring in a good plan but what they want to do is wait on the US and then follow them. Why hasn't Harper, have the attitiude that WE are doing this and if YOU want, follow us. Jobs, more money going out in EI and our economy won't better until people have jobs to help pay off the debt the Tory have us in. So the media polls can say what they want I'll wait for the election poll.

[Mr.Canada]

There's at least two areas the Tories are weak, the jobs and the environment. Harper would sell his country than bring in a good plan but what they want to do is wait on the US and then follow them. Why hasn't Harper, have the attitiude that WE are doing this and if YOU want, follow us. Jobs, more money going out in EI and our economy won't better until people have jobs to help pay off the debt the Tory have us in. So the media polls can say what they want I'll wait for the election poll.

If Harper is weak on these two points the list of Ignatieff's weakness must be massive.

Think about it. All these left wingers who find so many faults with Harper yet he is crushing every other party and leader in the polls. Does that speak to Harpers strength or the weakness of the other parties and their respective leaders?

[madmax]

Hopefully people will listen to me now when I say that the Tories are going to win more seats in the 905 and will win seats in the 416.

There is a POLLING THREAD already for this purpose.

NUFF SAID!

[Riverwind]

There's at least two areas the Tories are weak, the jobs and the environment.

I find this statement ironic since I just read an analysis about how uncertainty over new government regulations on health care, CO2 and banking is forcing many businesses in the US to delay hiring decisions or to do their hiring in another country. This example illustrates how doing nothing can often be the best "jobs plan" that a government can offer.

[Mr.Canada]

There is a POLLING THREAD already for this purpose.

NUFF SAID!

I wanted this news to be front and centre for everybody to see. I find it interesting that the left and far left are trumpeting their successes and beating their chests with their self righteous tripe claiming to be the only alternative. Then today we see that that message is soundly rejected by the majority of Canadians with only 15.2% of Canadians subscribing to the left and far left ideals. Curious, isn't it.

[capricorn]

Mr. Canada, I agree with madmax. You start threads on issues that are already being discussed elsewhere. I guess you just can't help yourself.

[Michael Hardner]

One should never deny their opposition their chance to gloat. The left was doing it just last fall with the victory of the most liberal president in decades.

Now a conservative majority seems more than possible. This happens in Canada but once a generation or so, so enjoy it.

I left my mind open for Ignatieff but I'm still waiting to hear the great ideas were were supposed to hear from him. I don't hear big ideas from Harper either, but I'll bet you anything he has them. He has been in Ottawa long enough to understand how things work and I wouldn't be surprised if he completely paves over Ottawa before he's done.

[blueblood]

I wanted this news to be front and centre for everybody to see. I find it interesting that the left and far left are trumpeting their successes and beating their chests with their self righteous tripe claiming to be the only alternative. Then today we see that that message is soundly rejected by the majority of Canadians with only 15.2% of Canadians subscribing to the left and far left ideals. Curious, isn't it.

And we have a far right clown who's a socialist in denial flooding the board and wasting bandwidth with inane garbage. I don't like socialism, but I at least try and present my arguments in a respectable manner. You do not and you harm yours and other "rightists" credibility.

[Mr.Canada]

Mr. Canada, I agree with madmax. You start threads on issues that are already being discussed elsewhere. I guess you just can't help yourself.

We have the best moderators in the business here at MLW and they may at any time choose to merge this thread with the other. I don't mind at all.

One should never deny their opposition their chance to gloat. The left was doing it just last fall with the victory of the most liberal president in decades.

Now a conservative majority seems more than possible. This happens in Canada but once a generation or so, so enjoy it.

I left my mind open for Ignatieff but I'm still waiting to hear the great ideas were were supposed to hear from him. I don't hear big ideas from Harper either, but I'll bet you anything he has them. He has been in Ottawa long enough to understand how things work and I wouldn't be surprised if he completely paves over Ottawa before he's done.

A lot of Harpers ideas are on the party website, of coarse there are others we discuss at the convention, some make it and some don't.

Ignatieff, on the other hand, has yet to publish some sort of plan at all as of yet. I hope he does as well soon, his grassroots deserve to be informed as to what they are voting for when casting a ballot for Mr. Ignatieff.

And we have a far right clown who's a socialist in denial flooding the board and wasting bandwidth with inane garbage. I don't like socialism, but I at least try and present my arguments in a respectable manner. You do not and you harm yours and other "rightists" credibility.

I am extremely active in my support of the Conservatives in my area and volunteer every election with the Federal Tories and the Provincial Tories and sometimes municipally if I like a certain candidate. I do a lot to further the Conservative cause this is just a discussion forum where political addicts come to gossip, nothing more.

Edited October 9, 2009 by Mr.Canada

[blueblood]

I am extremely active in my support of the Conservatives in my area and volunteer every election with the Federal Tories and the Provincial Tories and sometimes municipally if I like a certain candidate. I do a lot to further the Conservative cause this is just a discussion forum where political addicts come to gossip, nothing more.

And your contributions to the discussion are inane, immature and hurt the tory brand.

[Mr.Canada]

And your contributions to the discussion are inane, immature and hurt the tory brand.

Pointing out the truth and posting on it is immature?

[Shakeyhands]

And your contributions to the discussion are inane, immature and hurt the tory brand.

I prefer insipid. Not sure why Chas. is allowing all of these identical threads.

[Wild Bill]

We have the best moderators in the business here at MLW and they may at any time choose to merge this thread with the other. I don't mind at all.

Yes, but why should they have to spare the time and effort? That's like tossing your garbage onto the grass, expecting someone else to clean it up!

Don't you think you're being a wee bit presumptuous? Do you think the moderators have nothing else to do and that cleaning up threads and stuff is only a few minutes of their time? Do you think they are being paid for it?

How would you like it if someone else did it with YOUR time?

If I were a moderator, I wouldn't just beam at the compliment you gave them and not mind having to spend the time merging all your duplicate threads. I would begin to resent it!

Frankly, I think you're just excusing your own laziness! Terribly bad manners!