sharkman Posted September 20, 2009 Report Share Posted September 20, 2009 Well he was running against the govern of California which AND California had gone red 68, 72, 76, 80, 84 not to mention 60, 56 and 52. Yah I am shocked he lost a state that only went blue once in 40 years I AM JUST SHOCKED JBG. I like history you should get to know it, it can be a good friend. Nice little walk through history punk. However, jbg's point was that Carter lost California and New York. Why don't you give us all a lesson on how many one termers lost those two on their way out the door? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbg Posted September 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2009 Nice little walk through history punk. However, jbg's point was that Carter lost California and New York. Why don't you give us all a lesson on how many one termers lost those two on their way out the door? What about New York though? It was Blue in 1960, 1964, 1968 and 1976. And 1948 featured NY's GOP governor running for President. To lose both of those states takes some serious doing. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted September 20, 2009 Report Share Posted September 20, 2009 Nice little walk through history punk. However, jbg's point was that Carter lost California and New York. Why don't you give us all a lesson on how many one termers lost those two on their way out the door? Cleavland, but if we are just setting any arbitrary goals we want he won Minnesota and West Virginia. I am pointing out it is not shocking he lost California it was a read state back then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbg Posted September 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2009 Cleavland, but if we are just setting any arbitrary goals we want he won Minnesota and West Virginia.I am pointing out it is not shocking he lost California it was a read state back then. Not as red as appeared. Remember Brown as Governor? About as hard-left as they come. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BubberMiley Posted September 20, 2009 Report Share Posted September 20, 2009 The 1980 election was more a testament to Reagan's political skills. Mondale did even worse than Carter in 84. Pretend "left-wing Democrats" with a crippled concept of history will continue to compare him to Obama right up till when Obama wins re-election, just as they compared Obama to McGovern up until Obama won the first election. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkman Posted September 21, 2009 Report Share Posted September 21, 2009 The 1980 election was more a testament to Reagan's political skills. Mondale did even worse than Carter in 84. Pretend "left-wing Democrats" with a crippled concept of history will continue to compare him to Obama right up till when Obama wins re-election, just as they compared Obama to McGovern up until Obama won the first election. So you are predicting Obama will be re-elected. Nice of you to step out there so early, but you never know, many things could happen from now to then to give him an advantage. The way it's going into the mid-terms, however, he's going to get a major spanking. He never should have offloaded most of the stimulus spending into 2010-2011. The economy will never recover in time to make him look good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted September 21, 2009 Report Share Posted September 21, 2009 So you are predicting Obama will be re-elected. Nice of you to step out there so early, but you never know, many things could happen from now to then to give him an advantage. The way it's going into the mid-terms, however, he's going to get a major spanking. He never should have offloaded most of the stimulus spending into 2010-2011. The economy will never recover in time to make him look good. I personally wouldn't predict anything 3 years in advance. I think the 2010 midterms will be close though as long as health care reform goes through and every republican votes against it. The DNC is still out raising or matching the RNC, so I would be praying for that revival just yet. As for the economy I know the dow is not the economy but it is up 1000 points during the Obama administration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 21, 2009 Report Share Posted September 21, 2009 I personally wouldn't predict anything 3 years in advance. I think the 2010 midterms will be close though as long as health care reform goes through and every republican votes against it. The DNC is still out raising or matching the RNC, so I would be praying for that revival just yet. The Democrats will lose seats......20 is about the average for typical mid-terms. Current issues and angst offer the potential for a larger swing. As for the economy I know the dow is not the economy but it is up 1000 points during the Obama administration. Actually, the DOW is up about 1500 points, after plunging to lows in March (after Obama's inauguration). Quote Economics trumps Virtue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted September 21, 2009 Report Share Posted September 21, 2009 The Democrats will lose seats......20 is about the average for typical mid-terms. Current issues and angst offer the potential for a larger swing.Actually, the DOW is up about 1500 points, after plunging to lows in March (after Obama's inauguration). They may or may not lose seats personally I hope they lose 15 and hope they are all blue dog seats because I would rather burn the big tent down then settle for what they offer. Dow when Bush left 8281.22 Dow now 9,820.20 I hope the DNC makes some commercials on this fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 21, 2009 Report Share Posted September 21, 2009 They may or may not lose seats personally I hope they lose 15 and hope they are all blue dog seats because I would rather burn the big tent down then settle for what they offer. Dems will lose seats....no doubt about that. Dow when Bush left 8281.22 Dow now 9,820.20 I hope the DNC makes some commercials on this fact. You're welcome......I'm good at math. The DNC will also have to make some commercials to explain TRILLION dollar deficits. Quote Economics trumps Virtue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted September 21, 2009 Report Share Posted September 21, 2009 Dems will lose seats....no doubt about that.You're welcome......I'm good at math. The DNC will also have to make some commercials to explain TRILLION dollar deficits. War on Terror, and a credit/housing market collapse. And the defense department has been looking for a couple trilliion in unaccounted funds for almost 10 years now. Its quite easy see where the money is lost. Quote Google : Webster Griffin Tarpley, Gerald Celente, Max Keiser ohm on soundcloud.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 21, 2009 Report Share Posted September 21, 2009 War on Terror, and a credit/housing market collapse. And the defense department has been looking for a couple trilliion in unaccounted funds for almost 10 years now. Its quite easy see where the money is lost. Nope...the projected TRILLION dollar deficits are driven by new spending, not losses from years past. Perhaps you don't understand how US federal budgets work ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted September 21, 2009 Report Share Posted September 21, 2009 You're welcome......I'm good at math. The DNC will also have to make some commercials to explain TRILLION dollar deficits. Yah 70% of it occurred this budget under Bush. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 21, 2009 Report Share Posted September 21, 2009 Yah 70% of it occurred this budget under Bush. Bush will look like a genius compared to Obama's proposed budgets and galloping deficits. It looks bad even when Bush's tax cuts expire. Quote Economics trumps Virtue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted September 21, 2009 Report Share Posted September 21, 2009 Bush will look like a genius compared to Obama's proposed budgets and galloping deficits. It looks bad even when Bush's tax cuts expire. We will see. We will see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 21, 2009 Report Share Posted September 21, 2009 We will see. We will see. We can see it already in all it's bloody glory: http://blog.heritage.org/2009/03/24/bush-d...it-in-pictures/ Quote Economics trumps Virtue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted September 21, 2009 Report Share Posted September 21, 2009 We can see it already in all it's bloody glory:http://blog.heritage.org/2009/03/24/bush-d...it-in-pictures/ Accept 70% of the 09 deficit comes from Bush. Ouch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 22, 2009 Report Share Posted September 22, 2009 Accept 70% of the 09 deficit comes from Bush. Ouch. Even if it was 100%, that won't explain away subsequent years. Salute! Quote Economics trumps Virtue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted September 22, 2009 Report Share Posted September 22, 2009 Even if it was 100%, that won't explain away subsequent years. Salute! Bush tax cuts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 22, 2009 Report Share Posted September 22, 2009 Bush tax cuts. Tax cuts expire in 2010.....no cigar. Quote Economics trumps Virtue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted September 22, 2009 Report Share Posted September 22, 2009 Tax cuts expire in 2010.....no cigar. too little too late. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted September 22, 2009 Report Share Posted September 22, 2009 too little too late. Trying to blame Bush for Obama's trillion dollar deficits 4 and 5 years from now ain't gonna cut no more! Trying looking at the largest OMNIBUS spending bill in the history of spending. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted September 22, 2009 Report Share Posted September 22, 2009 Trying to blame Bush for Obama's trillion dollar deficits 4 and 5 years from now ain't gonna cut no more! Trying looking at the largest OMNIBUS spending bill in the history of spending. Why not it is what Regan did to Carter. So I think we get at least a good 3 years out of Bush. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbg Posted September 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2009 The 1980 election was more a testament to Reagan's political skills. Mondale did even worse than Carter in 84. Pretend "left-wing Democrats" with a crippled concept of history will continue to compare him to Obama right up till when Obama wins re-election, just as they compared Obama to McGovern up until Obama won the first election. Coming from you, I'll take that personal attack as a compliment. I have never claimed "crystal ball" status. No question I underestimated the level of panic and angst caused by the financial market meltdown last fall. Nixon benefitted vis a vis McGovern by running a banana republic economic policy, and by very dirty tricks. Thank G-d Bush and McCain were too decent for that kind of garbage. I do not wish Obama's administration to implode. I never root against my country. I am concerned that he is out of step with the country's mainstream and his current popularity slide will worsen. I do not consider any failed Presidency a good thing. The difference between our country is that when Parliament loses confidence the matter can be rectified. Here we're stuck with disfunctionality for a long time after the government is effectively broken. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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