Jimmy Carter - Shoots Dems in the Foot

[jbg]

The way I heard it was that Phyrrus said "Another victory like that and we're done for." The OED (under "Pyrrhic") says it was the battle of Asculum in Apulia and quotes Phyrrus as saying "One more such victory and we are lost." (link to source)

Trust me, as a left-wing Democrat, having Jimmy Carter's support is poison. To paraphrase Pyrrhus, "any more support from the likes of Jimmy Carter and we're done for." Carter's now put his foot in his and my fellow Democrats' mouth big time (link):

“I think an overwhelming portion of the intensely demonstrated animosity toward President Barack Obama is based on the fact that he is a black man,”

The linked article continued:

Republicans called Carter’s remarks “very destructive” (Newt Gingrich) or “an outrage” (GOP chairman Michael Steele, who happens to be black himself). But otherwise party leaders stifled themselves, apparently on the principle that you don’t get in the way of an opponent when he’s shooting himself in the foot.

I've always considered Obama to be Carter's second coming.

Cheers.

[BubberMiley]

The truth hurts sometimes.

[Sir Bandelot]

The US is approaching a point where, no matter which way they turn, the wedge keeps getting hammered in. They are becoming increasingly divided as a people.

As a lot of folks seem to be saying in the news bites, "It's scary to be living in my country right now."

And I keep reading that and thinking, why, What is it they're afraid of? Well maybe this is what they're afraid of!

US is a cultural powder keg waiting to go off. Because of this growing outright hatred on the one side and almost fanatical love for Obama on the other side. It's the ones who hate him who are the problem. He was democratically elected... and they even show their disdain and lack of respect for the office of the president, by shouting out insults on national television...

What more do you expect? It would never happen to Bush, thats for sure.

These things may not be because he is a black man, but they are inflammatory and the fact that he IS a black man, only makes this a bigger problem for inciting the radical elements. So I think that the one somehow worsens the other, by seeming to justify it. Such as when a politician says "You Lie!"

[kimmy]

I see nothing here that isn't explained handily by simple partisan politics.

I believe Carter is invoking racism as a tactic to attack Obama's critics, not because there is any merit to the charge.

These things may not be because he is a black man, but they are inflammatory and the fact that he IS a black man, only makes this a bigger problem for inciting the radical elements.

And that is why throwing around the charge of racism reflects extremely poorly on Carter.

-k

[punked]

I see nothing here that isn't explained handily by simple partisan politics.

I believe Carter is invoking racism as a tactic to attack Obama's critics, not because there is any merit to the charge.

And that is why throwing around the charge of racism reflects extremely poorly on Carter.

-k

Carter grew up in the segregated south, his mother was an activist which raged against that policy. He saw racism everyday I think he has earned the right to call a duck a duck. If it quacks it is a duck. A lot of people forget Wilson was educated in politics by Strom Thurman.

"You Lie Boy!"

Thank you President Carter for saying what every else is scared to say again.

[lictor616]

The way I heard it was that Phyrrus said "Another victory like that and we're done for." The OED (under "Pyrrhic") says it was the battle of Asculum in Apulia and quotes Phyrrus as saying "One more such victory and we are lost." (link to source)

Trust me, as a left-wing Democrat, having Jimmy Carter's support is poison. To paraphrase Pyrrhus, "any more support from the likes of Jimmy Carter and we're done for." Carter's now put his foot in his and my fellow Democrats' mouth big time (link):

The linked article continued:

I've always considered Obama to be Carter's second coming.

Cheers.

hahaahah, as if we did'nt know the democrats would try to get their detractors on the run with the race card...

Its pretty frightening, governments capable of silencing dissent by accusing everyone of racism...

"what you disagree with glorious comrade Obama's policies?, you must be racist and an enemy of the people!"

Imagine if Bush used the same nonsense!

sickening, DISGUSTING double standard... Political Correctness is now a threat to democracy.

[daniel]

hahaahah, as if we did'nt know the democrats would try to get their detractors on the run with the race card...

Have you read the posts from those right-wing crazies?

Its pretty frightening, governments capable of silencing dissent by accusing everyone of...

...

Imagine if Bush used the same nonsense!

Yes, it was pretty frightening when the Bush people did that to the anti-war people. The Ann Coulters and Bill O'Reillys were accusing war opponents of supporting terrorism. We remember the Valerie Plame incidence very well.

Edited September 18, 2009 by daniel

[lictor616]

Have you read the posts from those right-wing crazies?

Yes, it was pretty frightening when the Bush people did that to the anti-war people. The Ann Coulters and Bill O'Reillys were accusing war opponents of supporting terrorism. We remember the Valerie Plame incidence very well.

Yeah, but gloss over the fact that Bush was the most criticized and demonized president in US history. That can't happen with BO because of his skin tone and the liberal media (far more influential then Fox) covering for him.

You could debate pro-bushites pretty easily... but you can't debate with someone who calls you a racist... that accusation is meant to END debate and dissent

[BubberMiley]

Its pretty frightening, governments capable of silencing dissent by accusing everyone of racism...

I don't know how you bring "governments" into it, but its pretty frightening, people silencing the truth by accusing those who tell it of being a threat to democracy.

[OddSox]

I don't know how you bring "governments" into it, but its pretty frightening, people silencing the truth by accusing those who tell it of being a threat to democracy.

I don't know how you bring "governments" into it, but its pretty frightening, people silencing lies by accusing those who tell them of being a threat to democracy.

Kind of works both ways - scary either way.

[BubberMiley]

I don't bring "government" into it. But really, it's scary neither way, unless you're frightened of being told you're wrong.

[Moonlight Graham]

Carter is a fool in this case. "An overwhelming portion..." ?? Impossible to say, that's just going to assumptions.

Clearly, from some signs you see held by racist idiots, there is a portion of the right-wing protestors. But i think that probably a large # of them sincerely are against the health care proposal + the bailouts etc. I certainly think that a good # of those "sincere" protesters though do have some racial under-currents running through their brains which is only adding fuel to their rage.

But to blame almost all on "race" is stupid. But its there no doubt.

[punked]

Carter is a fool in this case. "An overwhelming portion..." ?? Impossible to say, that's just going to assumptions.

Clearly, from some signs you see held by racist idiots, there is a portion of the right-wing protestors. But i think that probably a large # of them sincerely are against the health care proposal + the bailouts etc. I certainly think that a good # of those "sincere" protesters though do have some racial under-currents running through their brains which is only adding fuel to their rage.

But to blame almost all on "race" is stupid. But its there no doubt.

Why is it stuipd? Seems like he is right to me.

[bush_cheney2004]

.....But to blame almost all on "race" is stupid. But its there no doubt.

Little wonder, as Mr. Obama milked "race" for all it was worth during the presidential campaign.

[jbg]

"You Lie Boy!"

You added the "boy".

[jbg]

Little wonder, as Mr. Obama milked "race" for all it was worth during the presidential campaign.

I had hoped, as I posted earlier that Obama would use the "bully pulpit" to get the underclass to work towards improving their own condition. The first time as President I heard him do that was his day after Labor Day school speech.

If he wants to use his race constructively that's how he should do it. The U.S. could be such a great country if those now in the underclass worked and reduced their social pathologies such as teen pregnancy, crime, dropping out of school and employment, and drug dependency.

Is that too much to hope for?

[Pliny]

You added the "boy".

The New York Times added the "boy".

[bush_cheney2004]

.....Is that too much to hope for?

Unfortunately...yes....so long as there is value in playing the "race card".

That's why we have a special name for it.

[jbg]

If he wants to use his race constructively that's how he should do it. The U.S. could be such a great country if those now in the underclass worked and reduced their social pathologies such as teen pregnancy, crime, dropping out of school and employment, and drug dependency.

Is that too much to hope for?

Unfortunately...yes....so long as there is value in playing the "race card".

That's why we have a special name for it.

That's a real shame. One of the advantages of living in a melting pot is that everyone gets to contribute their own peoples' best practices rather than their worst.

[bush_cheney2004]

That's a real shame. One of the advantages of living in a melting pot is that everyone gets to contribute their own peoples' best practices rather than their worst.

President Carter has actually done Mr. Obama a huge, disservice, amplifying the noise and making a ready-made excuse for failure. Obama has responded to the fuss by minimizing the impact of race in his own words, as he realizes how foolish this tack is for his agenda.

Not impressed so far....hope he really doesn't have such a glass jaw. President Bush, castigated as "moron" and "Shrub", and of course..."LIAR".....still went a complete 15 rounds.

Edited September 19, 2009 by bush_cheney2004

[Moonlight Graham]

Little wonder, as Mr. Obama milked "race" for all it was worth during the presidential campaign.

I don't think Obama played his race up much in the campaign. There was the thing early on during the primaries w/ Rev. Wright, and his speech about race afterwards, but on whole that hurt him. Obama talked about "change", which was maybe 70% anti-Bush/anti-neocon and anti-status quo and 30% the race thing

I think the media and Obama supporters made a much much bigger deal about Obama's race than Obama himself did.

Edited September 19, 2009 by Moonlight Graham

[Moonlight Graham]

Not impressed so far....hope he really doesn't have such a glass jaw. President Bush, castigated as "moron" and "Shrub", and of course..."LIAR".....still went a complete 15 rounds.

Bush sure was a tough & tenacious S.O.B. i'll give him that. At least until the end of his 2nd term when he finally realized how much people hated him & how much screwed up, he started to show some bruises.

Edited September 19, 2009 by Moonlight Graham

[bush_cheney2004]

I don't think Obama played his race up much in the campaign. There was the thing early on during the primaries w/ Rev. Wright, and his speech about race afterwards, but on whole that hurt him. Obama talked about "change", which was maybe 70% anti-Bush/anti-neocon and anti-status quo and 30% the race thing

Obama deftly played the race card via surrogates, just like Carter did here. Then he would rush in to save the day with a "unifying" speech. We've already seen this movie.

[Pliny]

President Carter has actually done Mr. Obama a huge, disservice, amplifying the noise and making a ready-made excuse for failure. Obama has responded to the fuss by minimizing the impact of race in his own words, as he realizes how foolish this tack is for his agenda.

Not impressed so far....hope he really doesn't have such a glass jaw. President Bush, castigated as "moron" and "Shrub", and of course..."LIAR".....still went a complete 15 rounds.

You have completely redeemed yourself!

[Moonlight Graham]

Obama deftly played the race card via surrogates, just like Carter did here. Then he would rush in to save the day with a "unifying" speech. We've already seen this movie.

he shoulda played the Muslim card. Everybody loves muslims.