Omar Khdar

[nicky10013]

there is no shortage of legal conjecture within Canada. Again, presuming to officials within the Canadian justice system performing an independent assessment of admissible evidence against Khadr... and a determination made as to whether Khadr should be tried as an adult or a child, some of the prevailing view suggests these might be possible avenues to charge Khadr under:

=> Sections 431.2, 83.18 and 83.2 of the Criminal Code relating to terrorist activity

=> Sections 16, 17 and 20 of the Security of Information Act relating to terrorist influenced threats of violence and communicating information to terrorist groups

=> Section 46 of the Criminal Code relating to treason and high-treason

=> Section 6(3) of the Crimes Against Humanity and War Crimes Act relating to war crimes

=> Section 3 of the Foreign Enlistment Act relating to enlisting with a foreign state at war with a friendly state

This would've all been good if he had been an adult at the time of the crime. He was a child soldier at the time. Former child soldiers who self admittedly committed horrible acts throughout Africa are greeted here not necessarily as heroic, but stoic; being able to survive conditions at such a young age. Omar Khadr was 14 when this happened. Recruiting child soldiers is inherently illegal and it should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, but to blame a kid swept up and brainwashed isn't right. No Liberal is defending Al Qaeda. As most Conservatives LOVE to point out these days, it was the Liberals who initiated the intervention there. What they're defending is the protection of minors in combat zones, not to mention calling out the horrible treatment he's received while the Americans have had custody of him.

Rights don t count for the enemy that our armed forces is currently engaging.......you people

don t seem to get it....this is Al Qaeda your defending!!! This dirtbag should have been drilled

where they found him and left for the buzzards.....Any rights as a Canadian were instantly

gone when he took arms with Al Qaeda Against us.....he should be left to rot until death

in Gitmo to say the least....Canada has more important problems than worrying

what happens to an Al Qaeda pig! America caught him and they going to keep him!!

i really don t think they give a hoot about the Canadian Liberals other than for a good laugh!

And half of Canada agrees....only Liberal's would want a terrorist brought back into the country!

no wonder they can t get back in power........ laugh.gif

If the previous poster was right, that you did serve in the military, I can only say I'm ashamed that they'd let you serve with these types of views, but then again that's what makes Canada, you're allowed to say what you want. Are Al Qaeda dangerous? Sure. Should they be prosecuted? Yes. However, saying they aren't entitled to rights and due process is revolting. Saying these people don't have the same rights as others who commit crimes and the lack-there-of in Afghanistan itself seems to be the only reason why Canada is in Afghanistan. To think that we should use the same tactics that the Taliban does says that we as a nation are no better than them. That isn't true. Thankfully people like you, in Canada at least, don't get to make decisions. Don't ever claim you served in the forces to protect freedom as you clearly don't know what freedom is.

Edited September 11, 2009 by nicky10013

[wulf42]

If the previous poster was right, that you did serve in the military, I can only say I'm ashamed that they'd let you serve with these types of views, but then again that's what makes Canada, you're allowed to say what you want. Are Al Qaeda dangerous? Sure. Should they be prosecuted? Yes. However, saying they aren't entitled to rights and due process is revolting. Saying these people don't have the same rights as others who commit crimes and the lack-there-of in Afghanistan itself seems to be the only reason why Canada is in Afghanistan. To think that we should use the same tactics that the Taliban does says that we as a nation are no better than them. That isn't true. Thankfully people like you, in Canada at least, don't get to make decisions. Don't ever claim you served in the forces to protect freedom as you clearly don't know what freedom is.

And Canadians like you would have these scumbags

brought back into Canada and put us all in danger typical Liberal ramblings,

everyone knows Canada's justice laws are weak to say the least...

this garbage would be on the streets to join his terrorist buddies

once again screaming "Allah akbar"!!!

Fortunately people like YOU are not in charge and thank God for Mr Harper

for trying to keep this trash out of Canada away from real Canadians....and as far as my military service

goes at least i served in it unlike most on here! If you and your type had it your way you would

hand this country over to them on a platter.

Edited September 11, 2009 by wulf42

[M.Dancer]

I will happily go on record that after the US is through with Lil 'Omar, after he has had his day in court and after he has either exhausted his appeals or acquitted, then and only then should any half hearted effort be made to allow him back in Canada.

If he is acquitted though, he pays his own bus fare. If he is convicted and for some reason a request for his presence in Canada is permitted, then he should be made to walk.

In shackles.

Though Manhattan.

If he refuses then we can only assume that he wants to serve out his worthless life in the US.

Edited September 11, 2009 by M.Dancer

[wulf42]

I will happily go on record that after the US is through with Lil 'Omar, after he has had his day in court and after he has either exhausted his appeals or acquitted, then and only then should any half hearted effort be made to allow him back in Canada.

If he is acquitted though, he pays his own bus fare. If he is convicted and for some reason a request for his presence in Canada is permitted, then he should be made to walk.

In shackles.

Though Manhattan.

If he refuses then we can only assume that he wants to serve out his worthless life in the US.

I would support that!!

[noahbody]

He was a child soldier at the time.

Age alone doesn't qualify him as a child soldier. He is child terrorist. He was not forced to be in a war zone. He requested it. He had been staying with his mother, but because he missed his father and brothers, he was permitted to go.

Omar Khadr was 14 when this happened.

His brother was 14 when he was shot. Omar was 15.

Recruiting child soldiers is inherently illegal and it should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, but to blame a kid swept up and brainwashed isn't right.

]He wasn't swept up and brainwashed. He was raised to be a good muslim in his parent's eyes.

No Liberal is defending Al Qaeda.

Agreed.

What they're defending is the protection of minors in combat zones,

By international law, minors can be in a war zone. So they aren't defending that.

not to mention calling out the horrible treatment he's received while the Americans have had custody of him.

That horrible treatment is what Michael Ignatieff was advocating in 2004. He even went beyond that. Make sure you're sitting down.

Edited September 12, 2009 by noahbody

[waldo]

Fortunately people like YOU are not in charge and thank God for Mr Harper for trying to keep this trash out of Canada away from real Canadians

U.S. military judges have thrown out the charges against Khadr twice previously... there is strong suggestion the U.S. is in a holding pattern from proceeding further; instead, waiting for the official Canadian repatriation request, which aligns with the indication that Canada-U.S. discussions have already occurred to help facilitate the repatriation.

why would you, as you say, "thank God for Mr. Harper" preventing you from an opportunity to see Khadr tried, found guilty and sentenced within a Canadian court?

[wulf42]

U.S. military judges have thrown out the charges against Khadr twice previously... there is strong suggestion the U.S. is in a holding pattern from proceeding further; instead, waiting for the official Canadian repatriation request, which aligns with the indication that Canada-U.S. discussions have already occurred to help facilitate the repatriation.

why would you, as you say, "thank God for Mr. Harper" preventing you from an opportunity to see Khadr tried, found guilty and sentenced within a Canadian court?

Because i would rather see this filth rot in Gitmo..instead of being brought back here

so Canada could set him free on some dumb techocality so him and his merry

band of Terrorist's can parade down the streets of Toronto slamming Canada and our values

as they go............you know what they did for the Lockerbie bomber in Libya??

well that is what would happen here...........it's truely enough to make me vomit!

political correctness is destroying this country!

[wyly]

And Canadians like you would have these scumbags

brought back into Canada and put us all in danger typical Liberal ramblings,

everyone knows Canada's justice laws are weak to say the least...

this garbage would be on the streets to join his terrorist buddies

once again screaming "Allah akbar"!!!

Fortunately people like YOU are not in charge and thank God for Mr Harper

for trying to keep this trash out of Canada away from real Canadians....and as far as my military service

goes at least i served in it unlike most on here! If you and your type had it your way you would

hand this country over to them on a platter.

you've insulted every Canadian that fought or died in WW2 for advocating against rights they fought for, rights that were even accorded to the enemy...the irony of a military man disrespecting veterans and what they stood for...you weren't by chance part of that regiment that was disbanded for torturing kids in Somalia were you?

[waldo]

Because i would rather see this filth rot in Gitmo..instead of being brought back here

so Canada could set him free on some dumb techocality so him and his merry

band of Terrorist's can parade down the streets of Toronto slamming Canada and our values

as they go............you know what they did for the Lockerbie bomber in Libya??

well that is what would happen here...........it's truely enough to make me vomit!

political correctness is destroying this country!

do you feel the case against Khadr is sufficiently weak that he would be set free?

[Hydraboss]

do you feel the case against Khadr is sufficiently weak that he would be set free?

No, I think he feels that the Canadian "legal" system is so weak that, regardless of his guilt or crime, he would be set free.

A lot of people feel that very same way.

[Radsickle]

Canadian Legal System is very much stronger and more accurate than any American Military Tribunal / Kangaroo Court, but the rabid dogs in Canada don't actually care about Justice for Omar now, do they?

[Radsickle]

Because i would rather see this filth rot in Gitmo..instead of being brought back here

so Canada could set him free on some dumb techocality so him and his merry

band of Terrorist's can parade down the streets of Toronto slamming Canada and our values

as they go............you know what they did for the Lockerbie bomber in Libya??

well that is what would happen here...........it's truely enough to make me vomit!

political correctness is destroying this country!

Kids like you are what threaten this country!

[Hydraboss]

Canadian Legal System is very much stronger and more accurate than any American Military Tribunal / Kangaroo Court, but the rabid dogs in Canada don't actually care about Justice for Omar now, do they?

As long as "justice" is a bullet in the side of the head for the little terrorist, I support it. And I care too.

[Radsickle]

As long as "justice" is a bullet in the side of the head for the little terrorist, I support it. And I care too.

Wow, that's such cool talk, I wish I could be like you, you wild west cowboy.

[Hydraboss]

Wow, that's such cool talk, I wish I could be like you, you wild west cowboy.

I'm sure you do.

[wulf42]

No, I think he feels that the Canadian "legal" system is so weak that, regardless of his guilt or crime, he would be set free.

A lot of people feel that very same way.

Bingo...................exactly right!!!

[wulf42]

As long as "justice" is a bullet in the side of the head for the little terrorist, I support it. And I care too.

You are absolutely right! hopefully the next time American troops come across this type of situation

they do us all a favor and leave these terrorist's on the battlefield!

Edited September 12, 2009 by wulf42

[wulf42]

you've insulted every Canadian that fought or died in WW2 for advocating against rights they fought for, rights that were even accorded to the enemy...the irony of a military man disrespecting veterans and what they stood for...you weren't by chance part of that regiment that was disbanded for torturing kids in Somalia were you?

You are a hoot...i am friends with many soldiers and its funny they say the complete opposite as you..

so do us all a favor and don t pretend you speak for vets or members of the Armed Forces because

you obviously have no idea what you are talking about.

Edited September 12, 2009 by wulf42

[wulf42]

Canadian Legal System is very much stronger and more accurate than any American Military Tribunal / Kangaroo Court, but the rabid dogs in Canada don't actually care about Justice for Omar now, do they?

No! that is because we care about real Canadians and not Al Qaeda terrorist's...this dirtbag should be shot for treason clean and simple and his family should get the boot for giving aid and comfort to the enemy!

Canada's justice system is not as strong as it should be and it could certainly use improvement!

this little animal would be set free to terrorize again.........national security threatened!!

but according to you and some others here thats okay little Omar at least would be safe...truely nauseating!!

Edited September 12, 2009 by wulf42

[wulf42]

Kids like you are what threaten this country!

how am i threat..lol???

for wanting to keep terrorist's out??? .....good God where do they come from?

Edited September 12, 2009 by wulf42

[waldo]

wulf42, the principal salient point that continues to escape you, is that those you assail and accuse of defending Khadr... are neither defending his alleged actions, his family, his family relations or his associations. The direct and indirect relevance of any of those actions, relations or associations (all alleged or otherwise), if defensible, would factor within a court of law.

I expect most of those you assail and accuse of defending Khadr... are defending, directly or by inference, the principle that a Canadian's charter rights have been breached. The ensuing Harper Conservatives challenge to the judicial remedy ruling for that breach is an accompanying sideshow.

I also expect most of those you assail and accuse of defending Khadr... have made their own assessments of the handling and treatment a Canadian has received while in U.S. custody... regardless of that Canadian's alleged actions, his family, his family relations or his associations.

I also expect some of those challenging your military background in the face of your acerbic posturing, question your willingness to forego principle(s) that underlie the very essence of what the military is understood to respect and protect.

The case for Mr. Khadr’s repatriation to Canada is plain. He was 15 years old when he was apprehended in Afghanistan. He has not been fully afforded the basic entitlements of due process under the Rule of Law, such as the right to counsel and the right to know the case against him, nor has he been afforded any process that takes into account his unique status as a minor. He has been detained in the general population of detainees in Guantanamo Bay, without any physical, psychological or educational services that would normally be afforded a minor under the terms of the Optional Protocol to the Convention on the Rights of the Child on the Involvement of Children in Armed Conflict.

Mr. Khadr has already spent six years in pre-trial custody. The U.S. has had ample opportunity to bring its processes into compliance with the tenets of the Rule of Law and its international obligations, and to try him.

Once Mr. Khadr is repatriated, it will be up to officials in the Canadian justice system to conduct an independent assessment of admissible evidence against him, to determine whether this evidence supports charges under Canadian law, and if so, whether he should be tried as an adult or a child. Because of the secrecy and allegations of torture that have plagued the U.S. proceedings to date, the best chance to fairly and openly assess Mr. Khardr’s criminal culpability may in fact be in Canadian proceedings.

[nicky10013]

And Canadians like you would have these scumbags

brought back into Canada and put us all in danger typical Liberal ramblings,

everyone knows Canada's justice laws are weak to say the least...

this garbage would be on the streets to join his terrorist buddies

once again screaming "Allah akbar"!!!

Fortunately people like YOU are not in charge and thank God for Mr Harper

for trying to keep this trash out of Canada away from real Canadians....and as far as my military service

goes at least i served in it unlike most on here! If you and your type had it your way you would

hand this country over to them on a platter.

Did I not say that these people deserve to be prosecuted? No one here who wants him repatriated are not calling for the end to the prosecution of Al-Qaeda. This post, full of spin , falsities and hatred pretty much proves what I said was true in my previuos post. Thanks!

[wulf42]

wulf42, the principal salient point that continues to escape you, is that those you assail and accuse of defending Khadr... are neither defending his alleged actions, his family, his family relations or his associations. The direct and indirect relevance of any of those actions, relations or associations (all alleged or otherwise), if defensible, would factor within a court of law.

I expect most of those you assail and accuse of defending Khadr... are defending, directly or by inference, the principle that a Canadian's charter rights have been breached. The ensuing Harper Conservatives challenge to the judicial remedy ruling for that breach is an accompanying sideshow.

I also expect most of those you assail and accuse of defending Khadr... have made their own assessments of the handling and treatment a Canadian has received while in U.S. custody... regardless of that Canadian's alleged actions, his family, his family relations or his associations.

I also expect some of those challenging your military background in the face of your acerbic posturing, question your willingness to forego principle(s) that underlie the very essence of what the military is understood to respect and protect.

What the heck is there to debate ???

seriously he was fighting with the Taliban...... .fact!

He threw a grenade..................................... fact!

He Killed an American soldier........................ fact!

He is An American problem............................fact!

what more do you need?? he is a dirtbag let the Americans dispose of him as they see fit!

[wulf42]

Did I not say that these people deserve to be prosecuted? No one here who wants him repatriated are not calling for the end to the prosecution of Al-Qaeda. This post, full of spin , falsities and hatred pretty much proves what I said was true in my previuos post. Thanks!

Prosecuted in Canada..lol

what so he can get the 2 years for 1 deal and can walk and get recycled

back into the AL Qaeda hate machine?? oh yeah thats a good idea.......

Edited September 12, 2009 by wulf42

[waldo]

wulf42, the principal salient point that continues to escape you, is that those you assail and accuse of defending Khadr... are neither defending his alleged actions, his family, his family relations or his associations. The direct and indirect relevance of any of those actions, relations or associations (all alleged or otherwise), if defensible, would factor within a court of law.

I expect most of those you assail and accuse of defending Khadr... are defending, directly or by inference, the principle that a Canadian's charter rights have been breached. The ensuing Harper Conservatives challenge to the judicial remedy ruling for that breach is an accompanying sideshow.

I also expect most of those you assail and accuse of defending Khadr... have made their own assessments of the handling and treatment a Canadian has received while in U.S. custody... regardless of that Canadian's alleged actions, his family, his family relations or his associations.

I also expect some of those challenging your military background in the face of your acerbic posturing, question your willingness to forego principle(s) that underlie the very essence of what the military is understood to respect and protect.

What the heck is there to debate ???

seriously he was fighting with the Taliban...... .fact!

He threw a grenade..................................... fact!

He Killed an American soldier........................ fact!

He is An American problem............................fact!

what more do you need?? he is a dirtbag let the Americans dispose of him as they see fit!

ah yes, I see you're falling back to the court of wulf42

if properly assessed and applicable, the evidence to support the facts you attest to needs to come forward within a real court of law, ideally within a Canadian court of law, given the Canadian Charter Rights breach and Khadr's handling within U.S. custody... notwithstanding an assessment made as to whether or not to try Khadr as an adult or a child.